TomKittel Posted January 6, 2021 Share Posted January 6, 2021 Impressive what you can do with layers in Pianoteq 7. The Steinway B layered with a touch of Rhodes plays like butter. I never thought of layering the Steinway B with Rhodes this way. 7notemode made the presets he is using in this video available for free download. I am having a blast with this sound. Check it out Pianoteq owners or just use the demo version if you don't own it. Quote LIFE IS SHORT, GO GET THE GEAR YOU WANT ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noah DC Posted January 6, 2021 Share Posted January 6, 2021 Interesting! But ... somewhat strange? To me, the layering sounds exactly like what it is - a Rhodes and a piano played at the same time. Which is not a sound I would ever attempt. Quote Numa X Piano 73 | Yamaha CP4 | Mojo 61 | Motion Sound KP-612s | Hammond M3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomKittel Posted January 6, 2021 Author Share Posted January 6, 2021 Interesting! But ... somewhat strange? To me, the layering sounds exactly like what it is - a Rhodes and a piano played at the same time. Which is not a sound I would ever attempt. I also would never have attempted this and I didn't like the trem/vibrato too much in this video. But if you just switch off the tremolo and/or vibrato and put the Rhodes layer to max. 18 percent it adds a lovely warmth and a wooden body to the Steinway B or D without any recognizable Rhodes sound. The unlayered Pteq pianos alone lack a little bit of warmth compared with good sample libraries. Quote LIFE IS SHORT, GO GET THE GEAR YOU WANT ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EscapeRocks Posted January 6, 2021 Share Posted January 6, 2021 I've been playing with the layering in PTeq 7 and I love it. Quote David Gig Rig:Depends on the day Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noah DC Posted January 6, 2021 Share Posted January 6, 2021 Interesting! But ... somewhat strange? To me, the layering sounds exactly like what it is - a Rhodes and a piano played at the same time. Which is not a sound I would ever attempt. I also would never have attempted this and I didn't like the trem/vibrato too much in this video. But if you just switch off the tremolo and/or vibrato and put the Rhodes layer to max. 18 percent it adds a lovely warmth and a wooden body to the Steinway B or D without any recognizable Rhodes sound. The unlayered Pteq pianos alone lack a little bit of warmth compared with good sample libraries. Yes, I could the benefit with the vibrato off for sure. I use Pianoteq's earlier versions so I'm definitely a fan. Quote Numa X Piano 73 | Yamaha CP4 | Mojo 61 | Motion Sound KP-612s | Hammond M3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BluMunk Posted January 6, 2021 Share Posted January 6, 2021 Is this fundamentally different than just, you know, layering two patches? Like, what was keeping anyone from triggering a PianoTeq piano and a Rhodes before? Not trying to shit on the parade, just wondering if this is just an in-the-box workflow change, or if there's something more exciting here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Davis Posted January 6, 2021 Share Posted January 6, 2021 Vibey! I really like that sound. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
area51recording Posted January 6, 2021 Share Posted January 6, 2021 I've been doing this......forever, especially with piano samples that are overly thin and lack sustain.....helps in that enviornment a ton.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Emm Posted January 6, 2021 Share Posted January 6, 2021 Lovely demo, no question, but layering is Synth 102. I've layered two instances of a semi-weak AC piano, yielding a stronger one with only occasional phasing artifacts. It may feel a bit impure to do that when piano is mostly a singular force, but whatever serves the song is pure enough. My first physical modeling experience was with Logic's Sculpture. I love the sound, but that GUI is like an alien's busy box. AAS's Chromaphone served my interest better with its great sound & accessibility, followed by Strum. I like PM a great deal, even if it can sound a bit too clean, so Pianoteq is my next buy. Aside from some hammer-hardening means for those fun tack piano moments, I'll find the nearest model that hits my Baldwin/Yamaha tonal sweet spot and be happy. I'm pretty sure I'll find a spot between my first wretched cat-coffin of an upright and the Bosendorfer Imperial Grand I got to tickle. I felt downright simian when confronted with the B, but what a pleasure to have that as a touchstone! If you've played a B or Fazoli, you know exactly what I mean. Quote Absurdity, n. A statement or belief manifestly inconsistent with one's own opinion. ~ "The Devil's Dictionary," Ambrose Bierce Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Groove On Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 Is this fundamentally different than just, you know, layering two patches? Like, what was keeping anyone from triggering a PianoTeq piano and a Rhodes before? Not trying to shit on the parade, just wondering if this is just an in-the-box workflow change, or if there's something more exciting here. Yes, I was wondering the same thing. Maybe he got it confused with the 'Morphing' feature? I mean layering has been around for ages, it"s not some big leap forward for musician kind. The morphing feature where you merge the underlying models into a brand new model could possibly be moworthy of the title.'a big leap forward'. In fairness, 7notemode is a good player, I enjoy his playing on his other videos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fleer Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 Yep. If layering is Synth 102, then morphing is 909 and beyond. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Mike Metlay Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 Is this fundamentally different than just, you know, layering two patches? Like, what was keeping anyone from triggering a PianoTeq piano and a Rhodes before? Not trying to shit on the parade, just wondering if this is just an in-the-box workflow change, or if there's something more exciting here. My guess, based on my knowledge of the folks at Modartt and how they approach new ideas, is that this isn't just a layering of individual models, but actually a composite model that adds (even very limited) physical interaction between the two, like tine resonance from being in physical contact with a piano soundboard. However, that's just a guess, and if folks would like me to ask my contacts at Modartt, I'd be happy to try. OTOH if they put me under NDA like they usually do, it won't do anyone any good, so my attitude is, if it sounds good, enjoy it Quote Dr. Mike Metlay (PhD in nuclear physics, golly gosh) Musician, Author, Editor, Educator, Impresario, Online Radio Guy, Cut-Rate Polymath, and Kindly Pedant Editor-in-Chief, Bjooks ~ Author of SYNTH GEMS 1 clicky!: more about me ~ my radio station (and my fam) ~ my local tribe ~ my day job ~ my book ~ my music Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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