miden Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-10/led-zeppelin-wins-stairway-to-heaven-copyright-case/12043462 about time too imo! Quote There is no luck - luck is simply the confluence of circumstance and co-incidence... Time is the final arbiter for all things Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldwin Funster Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 It's amazing to me that people can take legal credit for a riff that probably goes back as far as the fretted instrument itself. Maybe even back to the invention of the 12 tone system. Then 10k years later, Yeah I wrote that. Quote FunMachine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MathOfInsects Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 Lots of interesting stuff in that article. The court ignored the inverse-ratio rule, which has traditionally held that the more exposure the later writer has to an earlier work, the lower the bar for proving copyright infringement. Later in the article it notes that additional appeals courts, too, are now ignoring the rule, since in the age of ubiquitous streaming, it's almost impossible to prove or disprove how much exposure someone might have. That wouldn't be a factor in this case though, so odd that they'd still ditch it. Particularly since Page & Co decidedly DID have exposure to the earlier song. Also, I note how cheesy the judge's ruling is, using "stairway to heaven" to describe the case itself. Ick. Anyway, IMHO Page & Co probably DID rip off that riff, since they ripped off everything else they heard, but it's also sufficiently different from the "Time in a Bottle" one in the Randy California song that the ruling is probably fair. Quote Now out! "Mind the Gap," a 24-song album of new material. www.joshweinstein.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mate stubb Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 In other news, I have copyrighted the 12 bar blues progression. All your royalties are belong to us. Quote Moe --- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markyboard Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 In other news, I have copyrighted the 12 bar blues progression. All your royalties are belong to us. Yeah but little did you realize the transpose button would circumvent any potential lawsuits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Nightime Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 I already copyrighted a 12-bar blues song that has uses 4-5-1 instead of 5-4-1. So you don't get my 73 cents I made off that song Quote "In the beginning, Adam had the blues, 'cause he was lonesome. So God helped him and created woman. Now everybody's got the blues." Willie Dixon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shamanczarek Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 Dolly Parton's song "We Used To" from 1975 has a similar descending sequence. In 2002 she actually performed "Stairway". [video:youtube] Quote C3/122, M102A, Vox V301H, Farfisa Compact, Gibson G101, GEM P, RMI 300A, Piano Bass, Pianet , Prophet 5 rev. 2, Pro-One, Matrix 12, OB8, Korg MS20, Jupiter 6, Juno 60, PX-5S, Nord Stage 3 Compact Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldwin Funster Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 The plaintiff should use the riff from Kashmir to record a song called Cashmere. Then watch to see if Page sues him. I don't know about anyone else but I'd find that funny. Quote FunMachine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GRollins Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 I just listened to Taurus again and still do not hear any resemblance between it and Stairway. To me, it's just a descending arpeggio on an acoustic guitar. Big whoop. The notes don't align in my ears, no matter how many times I listen to it. Don't get me wrong, Taurus is a nice tune and I like it, but similar to the Stairway To Heaven intro? Nah... It takes more than "descending," "arpeggio," and "acoustic guitar" to make a match. Grey Quote I'm not interested in someone's ability to program. I'm interested in their ability to compose and play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miden Posted March 10, 2020 Author Share Posted March 10, 2020 Yeah, I cannot really hear it either. In the end it was probably a fair result. My OP comment was actually about it's about time it was over, rather than Led Zep getting the win hahaha! Quote There is no luck - luck is simply the confluence of circumstance and co-incidence... Time is the final arbiter for all things Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TommyS Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 Our national nightmare is over,,,, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SMcD Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 Still waiting to see where "Little Black Submarines" by the Black Keys falls into this. Anyone else hear the similarities? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MathOfInsects Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 Still waiting to see where "Little Black Submarines" by the Black Keys falls into this. Anyone else hear the similarities? Aqualung meets Mary Jane? Quote Now out! "Mind the Gap," a 24-song album of new material. www.joshweinstein.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GRollins Posted March 11, 2020 Share Posted March 11, 2020 I hear the Beatles are going to sue over similarities with Yellow Submarine... Grey Quote I'm not interested in someone's ability to program. I'm interested in their ability to compose and play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harmonizer Posted March 11, 2020 Share Posted March 11, 2020 U2 might sue themselves over several songs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamuelBLupowitz Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 In other news, I have copyrighted the 12 bar blues progression. All your royalties are belong to us.Somebody set Randy California up the bomb. Quote Samuel B. Lupowitz Musician. Songwriter. Food Enthusiast. Bad Pun Aficionado. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J. Dan Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 I thought an interesting aspect was that since the songs were written prior to 1976, the court was not allowed to hear audio clips for comparison, they had to go off sheet music. Quote Dan Acoustic/Electric stringed instruments ranging from 4 to 230 strings, hammered, picked, fingered, slapped, and plucked. Analog and Digital Electronic instruments, reeds, and throat/mouth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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