allan_evett Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 I think putting the controls on the left of an 88-key controller is a bad idea. Increases the amount of space need on stage, harder to fit into a compact car or SUV. Always wondered why Roland did this. And yeah, I'm not a fan of the Roland paddle unless it's combined with normal wheels like their awesome A-90/70s from long ago. Yes to all of the above. That side control section looks like a freaking sidecar Quote 'Someday, we'll look back on these days and laugh; likely a maniacal laugh from our padded cells, but a laugh nonetheless' - Mr. Boffo. We need a barfing cat emoticon! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Song80s Posted February 1, 2020 Share Posted February 1, 2020 Yes. And I think this might be the first commercial product of this stature to do so. After all, Roland is one of the driving forces behind MIDI 2.0. Yamaha too, I think, so maybe they have something coming as well? 2.0 is a big deal for a keyboard player like myself, with strong interest in acoustic instrument expression. You are right, I haven't seen any other ' big 3 ' keyboard co's produce a 2.0 ready keyboard , other than this A-88 MKii I would guess Yamaha and Korg are busy getting it implemented on certain models. Or maybe new models, not aware of their strategy. Quote Why fit in, when you were born to stand out ? My Soundcloud with many originals: [70's Songwriter] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Docbop Posted February 1, 2020 Share Posted February 1, 2020 So for manufactures moving from MIDI 1.n to 2.0 is that a hardware change or just firmware? If hardware roll out to 2.0 could be slow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Song80s Posted February 1, 2020 Share Posted February 1, 2020 if you read up on 2.0, the major keyboard co's have been involved with 2.0, as well they should be. You have to review if a particular keyboard is 'upgradeable '. Going from 1.0 to 2.0 is major change, as I read it Quote Why fit in, when you were born to stand out ? My Soundcloud with many originals: [70's Songwriter] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fleer Posted February 2, 2020 Share Posted February 2, 2020 But does it only require a firmware upgrade? Read somewhere that the RD-2000 would be up for it. So maybe also my upcoming RD-88 ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motif88 Posted February 2, 2020 Share Posted February 2, 2020 For those that have to travel and/or don"t like controls to the left of the keyboard, why not look at the RD-88? It weighs less and is not as wide as the A-88MKII: RD-88 50-9/16 (W) x 10-3/16 (D) x 6-5/16 (H) inches 13.5 kg / 29 lbs 13 oz Key Action PHA-4 Standard Keyboard: with Escapement and Ivory Feel Zones 3 A-88 MKII 56-5/16 (W) inches x 10-13/16 (D) inches x 4-11/16 (H) inches 16.3 kg / 35 lbs. 15 oz. Key Action PHA-4 Standard Keyboard: with Escapement and Ivory Feel Zones 3 Quote Using: Yamaha: Montage M8x| Spectrasonics: Omnisphere, Keyscape | uhe: Diva, Hive2, Zebra2| Roland: Cloud Pro | Arturia: V Collection | NI: Komplete 14 | VPS: Avenger | Cherry: GX80 | G-Force: OB-E | Korg: Triton, MS-20 Sold/Traded: Yamaha: Motif XS8, Motif ES8, Motif8, KX-88, TX7 | ASM: Hydrasynth Deluxe| Roland: RD-2000, D50, MKS-20| Korg: Kronos 88, T3, MS-20 | Oberheim: OB8, OBXa, Modular 8 Voice | Rhodes: Dyno-My-Piano| Crumar: T2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fleer Posted February 2, 2020 Share Posted February 2, 2020 And almost no price difference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reezekeys Posted February 2, 2020 Share Posted February 2, 2020 Yes, and one is a controller keyboard with no sounds and one is a DP. If you need a controller keyboard you don't want a DP, and vice-versa. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fleer Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 Unless the DP highly resembles the controller board, at a better height. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uhoh7 Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 No mention of aftertouch at all by Roland. Maybe that's what 2.0 means: you don't need it! I won't be buying a dedicated controller again without Poly AT. Quote RT-3/U-121/Leslie 21H and 760/Saltarelle Nuage/MOXF6/MIDIhub, SL-880/Nektar T4/Numa Cx2/Deepmind12/Virus TI 61/SL61 mk2 Stylophone R8/Behringer RD-8/Proteus 1/MP-7/Zynthian 4 MPC1k/JV1010/Unitor 8/Model D & 2600/WX-5&7/VL70m/DMP-18 Pedals Natal drums/congas etc & misc bowed/plucked/blown instruments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motif88 Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 I didn't raise the issue of controls to the left of keyboard. I merely pointed out the options. Make your choice... Do you want less width and less weight with a DP that you can elect not to use or a wider, heavier controller only? I don't think the $200 difference at list price is a critical variable if either board checks off your most important features/functions. Quote Using: Yamaha: Montage M8x| Spectrasonics: Omnisphere, Keyscape | uhe: Diva, Hive2, Zebra2| Roland: Cloud Pro | Arturia: V Collection | NI: Komplete 14 | VPS: Avenger | Cherry: GX80 | G-Force: OB-E | Korg: Triton, MS-20 Sold/Traded: Yamaha: Motif XS8, Motif ES8, Motif8, KX-88, TX7 | ASM: Hydrasynth Deluxe| Roland: RD-2000, D50, MKS-20| Korg: Kronos 88, T3, MS-20 | Oberheim: OB8, OBXa, Modular 8 Voice | Rhodes: Dyno-My-Piano| Crumar: T2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fleer Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 I"m thinking a $200 price difference (actually only $100 over here) is peanuts for everything the RD-88 adds to the A-88MKII. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hardtailkeys Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 I"m thinking a $200 price difference (actually only $100 over here) is peanuts for everything the RD-88 adds to the A-88MKII. But the RD-88 weighs less and is probably not as sturdy if it's lighter (and potentially more plasticcy)? For those using in studio and not transporting it after installing in (home) studio, the weight doesn't matter but the sturdiness does. Why is the 'weighs less' a plus point if it's only going to be installed once or every time you do another studio setup? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fleer Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 But the RD-88 is part of the RD-Stage Series so it should be the sturdier one? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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