Jazz+ Posted September 28, 2009 Share Posted September 28, 2009 Marvelous technique, solo starts at 3:40 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LKuEJBKRW4M Harry Likas was the Technical Editor of Mark Levine's "The Jazz Theory Book" and helped develop "The Jazz Piano Book." Find 700 of Harry’s piano arrangements of standards for educational purposes and jazz piano tutorials at www.Patreon.com/HarryLikas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floyd Tatum Posted September 28, 2009 Share Posted September 28, 2009 very nice playing watching her 'emote' was distracting. the tears were probably about some personal matter, and not related to the performance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Horne Posted September 28, 2009 Share Posted September 28, 2009 Great technique and nice playing. I would imagine she saves up the ... emotions for performances, it would get draining to ... emote so much during every day practicing. No guitarists were harmed during the making of this message. In general, harmonic complexity is inversely proportional to the ratio between chording and non-chording instruments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kanker. Posted September 28, 2009 Share Posted September 28, 2009 Tears? Really? "Man, I sounded so good, I made *myself* cry" A ROMpler is just a polyphonic turntable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
retrokeys Posted September 28, 2009 Share Posted September 28, 2009 I've always liked her playing and as to the emotion... well...I've made myself cry too...usually on playback and followed by the words "man, did that suck." ; ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Ferris Posted September 28, 2009 Share Posted September 28, 2009 Technique? This is technique: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nfQ5hOOLk1o&feature=related https://soundcloud.com/dave-ferris https://www.youtube.com/@daveferris2709 2005 NY Steinway D, Yamaha AvantGrand N3X, CP88, P515 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dana. Posted September 28, 2009 Share Posted September 28, 2009 What impresses me isn't so much the speed at which she's playing but how well she's able to control the volume of what she's playing, especially at such speed. Now having said that, I don't think her waterworks is coming through in what she's playing. It's pretty and precise, but I don't hear any true emotion behind it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Stanfield Posted September 28, 2009 Share Posted September 28, 2009 the tears were probably about some personal matter, and not related to the performance. I don't think so. When she plays upbeat, joyful numbers, she's all but laughing hysterically while she plays. Heck, maybe she is. It's refreshing (to me, anyway) to see someone emote honestly and sincerely -- and have the galactic talent to pull off something grand, complex, and highly emotional [rather than something comparatively trite (IMO) like Jeff Buckley's "Hallelujah"]. All her technique, talent, and knowledge is unified - integrated - into something far more than mere excursions into interesting harmonic and technical territory. So if she wants to laugh, cry - or even if she can't help it - more power to her. And the best thing is she'll only keep getting better. (I know what you're thinking, and it's probably true. Frak it. I've got a serious thing for cute genius female musicians.) Jason Stanfield Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dana. Posted September 28, 2009 Share Posted September 28, 2009 Jason, I'm curious as to why you think Jeff Buckley's "Hallelujah" is trite...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucasb Posted September 28, 2009 Share Posted September 28, 2009 Tears? Really? "Man, I sounded do good, I made *myself* cry" ROFL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kanker. Posted September 29, 2009 Share Posted September 29, 2009 It's refreshing (to me, anyway) to see someone emote honestly and sincerely -- and have the galactic talent to pull off something grand, complex, and highly emotional ... All her technique, talent, and knowledge is unified - integrated - into something far more than mere excursions into interesting harmonic and technical territory. So if she wants to laugh, cry - or even if she can't help it - more power to her. And the best thing is she'll only keep getting better.You're kidding right? That facial gymnastics stuff is so contrived it's laughable. Sure, she has a ton of facility but emoting? She sounds just about as cold as you can get to me... A ROMpler is just a polyphonic turntable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Horne Posted September 29, 2009 Share Posted September 29, 2009 That's why it's better listen to music with your eyes closed. The better orchestras have the player audition behind a screen. No guitarists were harmed during the making of this message. In general, harmonic complexity is inversely proportional to the ratio between chording and non-chording instruments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tusker Posted September 29, 2009 Share Posted September 29, 2009 I like the performance very much. That gentle bite in her touch is quite lovely. The emoting ...? It works against her with people like me. Dave, thanks for the prelude. I thought I knew everything Debussy was saying until I heard that. Totally made my day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Muscara Posted September 29, 2009 Share Posted September 29, 2009 watching her 'emote' was distracting. I agree. Most people put the emotions in their music while they're playing, not their face quite like that. I've seen and heard people lose it at a particular moment or line in a song when it really hit home, like Bono lose it at the line in One after his friend Michael Hutchence had died, but not for an entire song. Musically, from what little I've heard, she's a good player, but she doesn't quite reach me. It's probably the lack of emotion in her playing that others talk about. "I'm so crazy, I don't know this is impossible! Hoo hoo!" - Daffy Duck "The good news is that once you start piano you never have to worry about getting laid again. More time to practice!" - MOI Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orangefunk Posted September 29, 2009 Share Posted September 29, 2009 It's refreshing (to me, anyway) to see someone emote honestly and sincerely -- and have the galactic talent to pull off something grand, complex, and highly emotional ... All her technique, talent, and knowledge is unified - integrated - into something far more than mere excursions into interesting harmonic and technical territory. So if she wants to laugh, cry - or even if she can't help it - more power to her. And the best thing is she'll only keep getting better.You're kidding right? That facial gymnastics stuff is so contrived it's laughable. Sure, she has a ton of facility but emoting? She sounds just about as cold as you can get to me... hehe.. I think you are waaaay too cynical man... not my kind of music per se though its still great to a degree, though it has a 1970s ECM vibe I guess, but I think she is feeling it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Horne Posted September 29, 2009 Share Posted September 29, 2009 I find it always better to discuss music using musical terms. Once emotion starts getting discussed it's always difficult to know what exactly is meant. No guitarists were harmed during the making of this message. In general, harmonic complexity is inversely proportional to the ratio between chording and non-chording instruments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dana. Posted September 29, 2009 Share Posted September 29, 2009 I'm with kanker on this one. The tears may be real, but the emotion and her gesticulating are clearly affected. It really detracts from the actual playing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MonksDream Posted September 29, 2009 Share Posted September 29, 2009 I saw Hiromi this summer and, although she obviously has chops, I wasn't terribly impressed with the music. Sounded like warmed-over 70's fusion to me, and I like 70's fusion. Her pixie-like enjoyment and gesticulations go over big with the audience though and I think she milks it. But, hey, she's working and having a good time so she must be doing something right. Instrumentation is meaningless - a song either stands on its own merit, or it requires bells and whistles to cover its lack of adequacy, much less quality. - kanker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floyd Tatum Posted September 29, 2009 Share Posted September 29, 2009 You mean, that crying is actually part of the performance? Yuck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Stanfield Posted September 29, 2009 Share Posted September 29, 2009 Jason, I'm curious as to why you think Jeff Buckley's "Hallelujah" is trite...? I just do; I can't really explain it succinctly. It's one of those things that makes everyone melt, and I'm going "... really? Ooookay." I'm not criticizing the lyrics, mind you -- I really don't ever listen to what the singer's on about; it's the music behind it that matters to me -- melodically, chordally, & structurally "Hallelujah" is a simple folk song, and it does nothing for me. But one thing about me is that I never hold a person's musical tastes against them, so I don't begrudge anyone who does melt over Buckley, or the Beatles, or Bollywood dance songs. Music is one of the few things that you can't objectively evaluate, because it speaks straight to emotion before anything else; and everyone's emotions are individual. So I don't mean to criticize the song so much as to say "it doesn't move me in the least; it bores me." Jason Stanfield Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zephonic Posted September 29, 2009 Share Posted September 29, 2009 it made me laugh! local: Korg Nautilus 73 | Yamaha MODX8 away: GigPerformer home: Kawai RX-2 | Korg D1 | Roland Fantom X7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MonksDream Posted September 29, 2009 Share Posted September 29, 2009 Is Jeff Buckley's "Hallelujah" a cover of the Leonard Cohen tune? Instrumentation is meaningless - a song either stands on its own merit, or it requires bells and whistles to cover its lack of adequacy, much less quality. - kanker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Stanfield Posted September 29, 2009 Share Posted September 29, 2009 You're kidding right? That facial gymnastics stuff is so contrived it's laughable. Sure, she has a ton of facility but emoting? She sounds just about as cold as you can get to me... To each his own, I guess. What can I say? Hiromi's music (most of what I've heard) truly moves me. And I like emoting. I've been to hundreds of recitals and concerts put on by phenomenal musicians, but the ones that stood out were Itzhak Perlman and Yo-Yo Ma and others like them. They don't just chop through a concerto or sonata hitting all the right notes at the designated volume and tempo (if I wanted that I'd listen to MIDI files or watch Elvis Presley's backing band); when you watch them play, you understand what the piece means to them beyond the page. Same with Hiromi and other composer-performers, except they're playing their own material, which brings a bonus: they're not interpreting someone else's music, they're speaking their own words. Music is emotional, so why not emote? Within a certain context, it's no different than musical grimacing in rock ... Jason Stanfield Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dana. Posted September 29, 2009 Share Posted September 29, 2009 Is Jeff Buckley's "Hallelujah" a cover of the Leonard Cohen tune? Yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MonksDream Posted September 29, 2009 Share Posted September 29, 2009 Is Jeff Buckley's "Hallelujah" a cover of the Leonard Cohen tune? Yes. Thanks, DB Instrumentation is meaningless - a song either stands on its own merit, or it requires bells and whistles to cover its lack of adequacy, much less quality. - kanker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dana. Posted September 29, 2009 Share Posted September 29, 2009 Regardless of how we respond to Hiromi's and Buckley's emoting, their talent is the "real deal." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Horne Posted September 29, 2009 Share Posted September 29, 2009 ... when you watch them play, you understand what the piece means to them beyond the page. What exactly do you read into a performance? Would the performance have the same impact on you if you closed your eyes? No guitarists were harmed during the making of this message. In general, harmonic complexity is inversely proportional to the ratio between chording and non-chording instruments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kanker. Posted September 29, 2009 Share Posted September 29, 2009 Would the performance have the same impact on you if you closed your eyes? Exactly. A friend of mine used to have a group called Invisible Art. A better, more succinct description of music I've never heard. I prefer to hear with my ears, not my eyes... A ROMpler is just a polyphonic turntable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Muscara Posted September 29, 2009 Share Posted September 29, 2009 Would the performance have the same impact on you if you closed your eyes? Exactly. A friend of mine used to have a group called Invisible Art. A better, more succinct description of music I've never heard. I prefer to hear with my ears, not my eyes... Right, otherwise, we're getting into guitar-face vs. o-face territory. [The above link may be NSFW, and if you recognize the musicians or porn stars for that matter, that makes the quiz easier. Still, the point is made.] "I'm so crazy, I don't know this is impossible! Hoo hoo!" - Daffy Duck "The good news is that once you start piano you never have to worry about getting laid again. More time to practice!" - MOI Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SK Posted September 29, 2009 Share Posted September 29, 2009 Would the performance have the same impact on you if you closed your eyes? For me, yes. I guess I'm immune to choreography (imagining Jazz On Ice with a skating keytarist.) I have to give her credit for her amazing chops though. I don't think I've seen any jazz pianist with her computer-like chops... even Oscar Peterson couldn't have executed some of the stuff she does. Like a modern day Tatum. Technique is also dynamics and the sounds you draw out of a piano. Hiromi plays piano with an evenness, as if it were an unweighted controller, which can make a piano seem almost like an artificial sample. I'm also uncomfortable with a lot of criticism of her including my own, because her music is far better than what most people are exposed to. CD: http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/stevekessler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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