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Thanks Brad, I appreciate your impressions.
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Gah, I keep going back and forth between a Nord electro and a modx8. Eventually I'd like both, or something similar, to replace my single pc361 that has been having issues, and will be retired to a nice life in my home studio. So it's mainly a question of what to get first. Currently leaning Nord, but as Scarlett said: "Tomorrow is another day."
Heading to Guitar Center tomorrow to see how I like the modx8 action. I tried it once before and thought it was fine. I REALLY wish it could use standard power cords, that sounds like a minor deal but I really like when all my gear (mixers etc) can use the same power cords.
For the Nord, I'll see if my buddy's electro can manage to cover 80s tunes (Loverboy etc) in a pinch. We don't do that many currently and I don't need many/any splits with multiple sounds.
Im interested to hear your impressions, Stokely.
I actually liked it better han the Montage 8, but have some concerns as o longevity and durability.....
it would only be a backup board....
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Thanks KorgyPorky and KeyMoe!
Anyone else?
Also thoughts on the casing itself?
I tried to pick it up from its stand in the store, but it was on one of those in wall multi level tiers and I didnt have enough leverage or distance to get any idea of the durability
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Any MODX8 owners whove had their boards for 6 months care to report on the durability (moving for gigs) and action (key clacking)?
Ive heard not so good things on the Yamaha Forums but am interested in hearing from guys here.
Ill probably end up with a CP73 as a secondary board,but want to do my due diligence for all possibilties.
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Got a CP73 enroute from SW; arriving next week. Anxious to contrast the keybed with my Forte, and the Seven. More to come...
Cant wait to read your impressions, Brad!
I got to try a CP88 today at GC. I enjoyed the sound, feel and interface, but my experience was hampered by the placement of the CP on a rickety x-stand.....
I really held back from digging all the way in.
One important point is that the pitch and mod levers are very ergonomic and fluid. Well done, Yamaha!
Also, the 88 is super light and easy to move!
The raw sounds and fx are top class.... but I have to say Im glad I got a Kronos as my primary board!
I may get a CP73 down the road as a beater lightweight board
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As this thread is about the "best" mono AP is there any point rehashing the mono v stereo debate?
Is there any point in trying to determine the "best" mono piano? How many answers to that question have we come up with so far?
Mono vs stereo... I admit I get triggered when I hear musicians say they prefer stereo but will compromise for the audience's sake. Guilty as charged.
I don't like mono pianos in general... even if we could come up with a consensus as to the best mono piano, I would prefer mine, and probably a lot of other stereo pianos. A realistic piano sound is a binaural sound. In my opinion of course. If you can't do it for the audience, at least do it for yourself.
Of course there's nothing wrong with debating which piano sounds "best" in mono although the chances of arriving at a definitive conclusion are most likely nil. We'll all list our favs and the OP will then get to winnow his list of 39 pianos to... 15? 20?
I agree with Reezekeys that the PLAYER needs to hear HIS sound in the most optimal manner to deliver the best performance.
I tend to find the Yamaha APs usually work best collapsed to mono if you are going through a mono PA.
Nord Pianos are good too
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Would anyone here be able to give me a direct comparison of this new smart action vs the Korg RH3 action? Im caught between the S1000 and the D1
I've never played a D1 but generally I dislike the RH3 action. I owned two SV-1 s and hated them. The Grandstage is a little better but not by much. Not at all a fan of the Korg action.
On first play, I felt the new Casio as being right there with some of the best Yamahas- CP4 and CP88. I also prefer it to the Nord Piano 4 fwiw.
Coming from you, Dave, that is quite an endorsement!
Cant wait to try one!
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Would anyone here be able to give me a direct comparison of this new smart action vs the Korg RH3 action? Im caught between the S1000 and the D1
I've never played a D1 but generally I dislike the RH3 action. I owned two SV-1 s and hated them. The Grandstage is a little better but not by much. Not at all a fan of the Korg action.
On first play, I felt the new Casio as being right there with some of the best Yamahas- CP4 and CP88. I also prefer it to the Nord Piano 4 fwiw.
Dave, I HATED the RH3 on the SV1 and Grandstage. Beyond Awful.
But the new Kronos plays like butter.
I couldnt believe it, but I think they just save thier best action for the Kronos.
Jim,
Did you buy the Kronos SE or the K2? I had someone tell me they were different keybeds but looked at the specs. and they appear to be the same keybed. Asking don't know 4 sure?
Benny,
I got the K2. The SE is adifferent action entirely (Korg calls it light weighted). I was all set to get an SE, but I walked into a local store on a whim and they had a K2 88 and I sat down behind it for a hour + and didnt get up !
It felt entirely different than ANY of the earlier generations of RH3. So much more responsive and smooth. So I went home and had Sweetwater overnight one to me.
FWIW, instead of an RH3 sticker on the top key, there was a made in japan sticker in red cursive, so it may be an upgraded or tweaked version?
I do know its COMPLETELY different than the SV1 or Grandstage.
As a matter of fact, the store had an SV1 and Grandstage running thru the same monitors as the K2.
Playing them did nothing to change my earlier AWFUL experiences with both boards.
So thats my experience.
But, to reiterate, the SE s an entirly different action than the other models!
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Would anyone here be able to give me a direct comparison of this new smart action vs the Korg RH3 action? Im caught between the S1000 and the D1
I've never played a D1 but generally I dislike the RH3 action. I owned two SV-1 s and hated them. The Grandstage is a little better but not by much. Not at all a fan of the Korg action.
On first play, I felt the new Casio as being right there with some of the best Yamahas- CP4 and CP88. I also prefer it to the Nord Piano 4 fwiw.
Dave, I HATED the RH3 on the SV1 and Grandstage. Beyond Awful.
But the new Kronos plays like butter.
I couldnt believe it, but I think they just save thier best action for the Kronos.
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Say what you will about Nords but the semi-weighted boards are among the best for playing Clav.
Yes... while I liked the SV1 action for clav better than most other hammer actions, sure, I would still prefer the Nord SW action... which also has a low release on the clavs. (As does the Mojo 61, though I haven't played that.)
Correction: I meant to write NORD semi weighted boards.
Yes, the Mojo 61 is PHENOMENAL to play Clav on (as well aseverything else)
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I'm not saying the CP's clav sounds are bad (heck, I haven't even played one), just that it only has 2 clav sounds (plus yes, EQ and effects you can apply to them), which makes me skeptical that it could be the best non-Nord for clav. In weighted action boards, I'd look at Montage/MODX8 and Forte7/SP6 as possibly some stronger clav/piano alternatives, maybe Crumar 7 if you're happy with the new piano...?Dont care for Grandstage....hate the action, especially for clavs, hate the layout and the tiny pb and mod wheels.
Well, if the PB and mod wheel is an issue, then it sounds like you're using this for more than piano/clav, yes? So then other things could also come into play.
But interesting about the Grandstage action being bad for clav. As weighted actions go, I thought the SV1 was above average for clav, because it has a lower release point than most. It seemed nice and snappy. In fact, I would have suggested SV1 insead of (or in addition to) Grandstage except that people generally find acoustic piano to be an SV1 weakness.
For a hardware Clav emulation to be successful, the action must be light and have a quick return. Neither of which applies to the Grandstage. Say what you will about Nords but the semi-weighted boards are among the best for playing Clav.
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I played the GrandStage as well. Was not impressed with...the action to sound connection.
It's a shame that didn't survive the SV1, then. I originally thought the SV1 would not be a sensible purchase, too limited for its price, but it's a joy to play, and I think it will turn out to be one of the few "classics" of the 21st century so far. I think the only people who don't think well of it are people who haven't played it. ;-) Though it is frustrating that they haven't really updated it, as it could still be so much better with some minor tweaks.
I owned THREE of them - 2 reds and a black, which was marked RH3 made in Japan....THAT one made me hate Korg hammer actions with the intensity of a 1000 white-hot suns....
Yeah, it was a FANTASTIC SOUNDING keyboard hsmpered by the worst action this side of a Williams.....
I REALLY wanted to like the SV1 and it ticked so many boxes for me, but......
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Joey DIn the Key of the Universe
Ben Patterson-Live at Van Gelders
Sviatoslav Richter- 100th Anniversary Collection Live, Vols 10-50
New Yellowjackets
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I plan to give the73 the acid test as it seems to be the best Non-Nord gig keyboard for Pianos and Clavs.
Looks not so great for clav... just 2 clav sounds in it. How about Korg Grandstage? That gives you a lot more clav (including all 4 pickup positions), also in a weighted 73 (though heavier). If you need a lighter weight piano/clav hammer action board, maybe Kurzweil SP6?
Not entirely true that its not so great for clavs...
Even though it has 2 pickup positions instead of 4, they will probably release more sounds in the next os update...plus some judicious eq and fx can cover in a pinch, for my needs at least....
Dont care for Grandstage....hate the action, esecially for clavs, hate the layout and the tiny pb and mod wheels.
Now the VC is an entirely different story.
Great keybed and form factor and kind of the perfect keyboard for the Afrobeat/Afropop stuff I do.
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So these are released March 18.
I have my CP on pre-order with next day shipping.
If this is asgood as I suspect itll be, maybe Ill even get a CP88 to stay at home.
I plan to give the73 the acid test as it seems to be the best Non-Nord gig keyboard for Pianos and Clavs. (I have mojo61/lm for dedicated organ duties)
Did I hear Mellotron in Katsunori-sans video?
(I concur with EscapeRocks that he is my fave reviewer as well)
So, Ima have a report on the CP73 and MS408s coming asap....
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Thanks Jerry!
Robert Levin is also a great source.
He improvises his own cadenzas spontaneously in his Mozart concerto performances.
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The K5 was a beast with a phenomenal semi weighted keyboard.
You really had to understand additive synthesis to unlock its magic....
..... I never owned one but I used to track in a studio that had one.
I loved every moment I got to play it!
I need to concentrate on what I have for this new project, but maybe Ill hunt for one in 2020.....
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But the one thing I really learned from Albert was that its not just about your FINGERS but that your WRISTS are level with the keys so that ALL hand and arm muscles can be properly engaged.
This is excellent, I've often wondered about the height of my hands relative to the keybed, and this makes a ton of sense. Though there's also the question of the height of the elbow relative to the wrist/hand.
the elbows take care of themselves. let then fall naturally once you alingn the hands properly.
the elbows are neither pulled in nor winged out
I didn't mean the elbows going in or out, I meant up or down. The wrists can be relatively flat, and the elbows up or down in relation to the wrists.
Perhaps you mean the wrists/forearms and elbows are flat?
yes
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But the one thing I really learned from Albert was that its not just about your FINGERS but that your WRISTS are level with the keys so that ALL hand and arm muscles can be properly engaged.
This is excellent, I've often wondered about the height of my hands relative to the keybed, and this makes a ton of sense. Though there's also the question of the height of the elbow relative to the wrist/hand.
the elbows take care of themselves. let then fall naturally once you alingn the hands properly.
the elbows are neither pulled in nor winged out
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I hope this is viewed as related to topic
I have fooled around on piano, organ and now keyboard since a kid. IF you asked me "are your fingers curved or not" I would not know. I pay no attention.. and I am sure my playing of many kinds of music would show this defect .
Now to my question... a friend of mine is learning piano... his first teacher said curved fingers.. then he switched teachers and was told flat fingers.. On top of that, he said flat seems better. on top of that he cited the great Horowitz as playing less curved and more flat.
So question is... are there without doubt, at least two schools of thought on piano playing.. curved finger and more flat? Likely there are some that would combine both approaches, depending on the musical intent.
Thanks
I had a classical teacher in college named Albert Lotto, who studied with Horowitz.
Alberts longtime teacher at Julliard was Sascha Gorodnitski, who played flat fingered but was not dogmatic about ingraining it in his students, only those who had a certain hand structure.
But the one thing I really learned from Albert was that its not just about your FINGERS but that your WRISTS are level with the keys so that ALL hand and arm muscles can be properly engaged.
Kenny Werner says the same thing. He got that from Madame Chaloff in Boston.
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One more thing
Read, absorb and do the exercises and meditations from Kenny Werners Effortless Mastery
It will help destroy the toxicity lodged in your psyche from bad, toxic teaching, negative self talk and bad toxic advice
Also Zen Guitar and Free Play contain essential music and life lessons!
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^^^^^^
Great words to live and play by, Tim!
I can always use a refresher course in all that you have put down here!
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Don't put up with shit from guitar players
Don't get into a band with more than one guitar player
Don't let yourself be an afterthought in a band or ensemble or get bullied by musicians
Practice and stay on top of your craft as much as you can
Try to improve with your instrument and in your life
Don't listen to people all the time with the equipment you buy, educate yourself on what you want to put your best foot forward
Try not to use a music stand on stage when you play unless necessary
Develop your instincts as much as possible. Test the waters when you can with new music
Be careful, musicians are passive-agressive and often emotionally immature people
Try to emulate good qualities from other musicians that came before you
Try not to hero-worship it can be counter-productive and know what you can bring to the table
Work out and get into good shape as tough as it can be to juggle both disciplines, it will help your gigging and add years to your life
Come to this forum ( if it's still around) for advice and some good guidance
Look both ways before you cross the street and don't eat yellow snow
All great advice, Jason, especially THIS:
Be careful, musicians are passive-agressive and often emotionally immature people
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cphollis said:
Buy once, buy right
This should be tatooed underneath the eyelids of every keyboard player, hobbyist or professional.
Nord Grand with Kawai Action
in The Keyboard Corner
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