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If I were to buy a mono synth from Moog, it would be the Subsequent 37. Three Octaves, compact metal case, great sound, $1499.
Mike T.
And crappy keyboard
And crowded front panel.
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Did anyone mention the stereo ladder filters ala Voyager?
Besides you, no one, but the stereo ladder filter was one of the best thing about a synth Moog should have NEVER discontinued, imo. (I know theres a finite life cycle to any product, but....)
That being said, I eagerly await the release of this synth that expands upon the great concepts and functionality of the Grandmother.
FOUR OSCILLATORS!!!!!!
STEREO FILTERS!!!!
ANALOG DELAY!!!!!
FOUR OCTAVE KEYBOARD!
(line lump power supply.....
boo,hiss!)
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Bang on, Jerry!
Those are the ways I plan to use it!
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I found the EPs to very good. Haven't gigged with it yet, but that will happen soon. SUPER Easy to program as a controller.
A few quirks I discovered: you get 4zones PLUS the internal engine. Although the 4 zones can be split anywhere the internal zone can be split at One Predetermined point, just below middle C.
Also, when using with another midi device, you will need to go into the global menu and turn the midi transmit channel to off. Otherwise, if you call up a preset where you have all 4 external zones are disabled, you'll still transmit. It took me about 15 mins to figure out what was happening with it.
I havent read all 17 pages but I'll assume someone has gushed about the gorgeous feeling of the 73 keybed that only weighs 28 lbs.
I LIKE IT. She's a keeper.
Consider my response a gush, Tony!
I played both the 88 and 73 at the Sams at 34th St.
Both models FEEL and SOUND excellent.
Great stage pianos, especially the 73 for the compactness and ease of carry.
Id get one definitely.
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Only making 250 of them, so I guess if you want one you might have to jump on it.
250 of the Moogfest Special Edition. There will be a general run after that, just like they did with the Grandmother.
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This looks AMAZING....
If by AMAZING you mean butt-ugly, I'd have to agree.
The colors are aggressively hideous IMO
When I mean looks I mean layout, functionality and power.
I grew up with Minis, Sonic Sixes, Realistic MG-1s, etc, so the 70s retro is ok by me.
I Dont care how stuff looks (meaning superficial design), I care how it sounds....
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Good find!
I have an 18810 which doesn't go anywhere, but man this would have been a nice option.
+1000.
I love my 18810, but it's just way too much of a pain to move for me to gig with it.
dB
dB and johnchop, I am with you guys.... I think the 18820 is next on my list!
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DAYUM!
This looks AMAZING....
everything i wanted in the Grandmother is here!
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I played the CP88 for about an hour today at GC. I can definitely see myself owning one. I don't particularly like the toggle on/off switches for the three sound sources and the knobs for instrument selection, but they're not dealbreakers. Otherwise, it's very Nord-like and something I'd love to have and play.
I'm thinking about how to replace the MODX8, though. As a bottom-tier board it's not quite right for me. I played the MODX7 too, and as a top-tier board it's perfect for 90% of my gigs. The action is very short, but consistent and snappy. Definitely a class up from the Krome.
But I still yearn for aftertouch, so maybe a used Motif XF7, or go the whole hog and just get the Montage 7. Don't need it for the regular gigs, but I miss it every time I do a synth solo.
Go for the gusto and get the Montage7, zephonic.
Because of the seamless sound switching and improved interface.
If you know the MOTIF architecture, itll be a snap.
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Dont forget, its not only about weight, but also length....
i had an RD 2000 and sent it back.
That damned extra block at the end for the pitch/mod lever makes the Roland REALLY ungainly and hard to move with 1person.
The CP88, on the other hand, feels LESS than 40 lbs.
I picked it up off the stand and carried it a bit.
Well balanced and would be even nicer in a wheeled soft case with strategically placed handles.
Also, the pitch and mod levers are REALLY ergonomic and smooth.
I really liked it on the second try!
I completely agree. If the CP88 is actually a step up from the CP4 in terms of action and sound quality, the compactness and 7 lbs less mass are significant advantages over the RD-2000. Maybe it could actually be moved around in a city in its wheeled case? I really wish Yamaha had added drawbars and Nord-like flexibility in sound library management.
I also think the built-in audio interface and mod sticks are significant advantages over the Nord Piano 4.
I think the best head to head is with Nord Piano 4, rather than Stage or Electro.
One thing you always have to keep in mind in Yamaha.....well....sucks.....as far as clonewheels.....
the combo sounds were decent, but the Hammond sounds were bottom of the barrel.
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46 lbs is the heaviest keyboard Nord has ever made, yet it will be considered portable by lots of people. ... I ... know exactly where [Aidan's] cutoff is. Mine is around 40 lbs.
At around 40 lbs for beings semi-portable, it seems the best actions for acoustic piano are the Yamaha actions. I'm really hoping the CP88 is an improvement over the CP4 in terms of sound and action, and not just user interface. 7 pounds more for the RD-2000 is an interesting comparison to the CP88...
I know its not everyones cup of Tea, but for me the future is in combining hardware with software sounds on my macbook and ipad. And thats where the Nord stage is far from diverse...
I agree, and I think it's crazy that any new keyboards come out without a built-in audio interface for this reason. The CP88 with a directly-connected iPad covers a lot of sonic territory, with the iPad able to make up for the lack of sound diversity in the CP88's sub section.
A CP88, Mojo 61, and iPad could cover nearly everything and offer two very good and distinct actions.
Dont forget, its not only about weight, but also length....
i had an RD 2000 and sent it back.
That damned extra block at the end for the pitch/mod lever makes the Roland REALLY ungainly and hard to move with 1person.
The CP88, on the other hand, feels LESS than 40 lbs.
I picked it up off the stand and carried it a bit.
Well balanced and would be even nicer in a wheeled soft case with strategically placed handles.
Also, the pitch and mod levers are REALLY ergonomic and smooth.
I really liked it on the second try!
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If youre playing at home VPC-1 or an MP11 or a Kawai digital console with a laptop and tons of AU/VSTs that dwarf the Nord library starting with Keyscape and maybe Garritan CFX.
yea, true, but if you dont gainstage them right, they will sound like azz
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It depends if you wanna pay that extra $1500 for all the Nord piano doenload options
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Thanks Brad, I appreciate your impressions.
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Gah, I keep going back and forth between a Nord electro and a modx8. Eventually I'd like both, or something similar, to replace my single pc361 that has been having issues, and will be retired to a nice life in my home studio. So it's mainly a question of what to get first. Currently leaning Nord, but as Scarlett said: "Tomorrow is another day."
Heading to Guitar Center tomorrow to see how I like the modx8 action. I tried it once before and thought it was fine. I REALLY wish it could use standard power cords, that sounds like a minor deal but I really like when all my gear (mixers etc) can use the same power cords.
For the Nord, I'll see if my buddy's electro can manage to cover 80s tunes (Loverboy etc) in a pinch. We don't do that many currently and I don't need many/any splits with multiple sounds.
Im interested to hear your impressions, Stokely.
I actually liked it better han the Montage 8, but have some concerns as o longevity and durability.....
it would only be a backup board....
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Thanks KorgyPorky and KeyMoe!
Anyone else?
Also thoughts on the casing itself?
I tried to pick it up from its stand in the store, but it was on one of those in wall multi level tiers and I didnt have enough leverage or distance to get any idea of the durability
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Any MODX8 owners whove had their boards for 6 months care to report on the durability (moving for gigs) and action (key clacking)?
Ive heard not so good things on the Yamaha Forums but am interested in hearing from guys here.
Ill probably end up with a CP73 as a secondary board,but want to do my due diligence for all possibilties.
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Got a CP73 enroute from SW; arriving next week. Anxious to contrast the keybed with my Forte, and the Seven. More to come...
Cant wait to read your impressions, Brad!
I got to try a CP88 today at GC. I enjoyed the sound, feel and interface, but my experience was hampered by the placement of the CP on a rickety x-stand.....
I really held back from digging all the way in.
One important point is that the pitch and mod levers are very ergonomic and fluid. Well done, Yamaha!
Also, the 88 is super light and easy to move!
The raw sounds and fx are top class.... but I have to say Im glad I got a Kronos as my primary board!
I may get a CP73 down the road as a beater lightweight board
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As this thread is about the "best" mono AP is there any point rehashing the mono v stereo debate?
Is there any point in trying to determine the "best" mono piano? How many answers to that question have we come up with so far?
Mono vs stereo... I admit I get triggered when I hear musicians say they prefer stereo but will compromise for the audience's sake. Guilty as charged.
I don't like mono pianos in general... even if we could come up with a consensus as to the best mono piano, I would prefer mine, and probably a lot of other stereo pianos. A realistic piano sound is a binaural sound. In my opinion of course. If you can't do it for the audience, at least do it for yourself.
Of course there's nothing wrong with debating which piano sounds "best" in mono although the chances of arriving at a definitive conclusion are most likely nil. We'll all list our favs and the OP will then get to winnow his list of 39 pianos to... 15? 20?
I agree with Reezekeys that the PLAYER needs to hear HIS sound in the most optimal manner to deliver the best performance.
I tend to find the Yamaha APs usually work best collapsed to mono if you are going through a mono PA.
Nord Pianos are good too
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Would anyone here be able to give me a direct comparison of this new smart action vs the Korg RH3 action? Im caught between the S1000 and the D1
I've never played a D1 but generally I dislike the RH3 action. I owned two SV-1 s and hated them. The Grandstage is a little better but not by much. Not at all a fan of the Korg action.
On first play, I felt the new Casio as being right there with some of the best Yamahas- CP4 and CP88. I also prefer it to the Nord Piano 4 fwiw.
Coming from you, Dave, that is quite an endorsement!
Cant wait to try one!
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Would anyone here be able to give me a direct comparison of this new smart action vs the Korg RH3 action? Im caught between the S1000 and the D1
I've never played a D1 but generally I dislike the RH3 action. I owned two SV-1 s and hated them. The Grandstage is a little better but not by much. Not at all a fan of the Korg action.
On first play, I felt the new Casio as being right there with some of the best Yamahas- CP4 and CP88. I also prefer it to the Nord Piano 4 fwiw.
Dave, I HATED the RH3 on the SV1 and Grandstage. Beyond Awful.
But the new Kronos plays like butter.
I couldnt believe it, but I think they just save thier best action for the Kronos.
Jim,
Did you buy the Kronos SE or the K2? I had someone tell me they were different keybeds but looked at the specs. and they appear to be the same keybed. Asking don't know 4 sure?
Benny,
I got the K2. The SE is adifferent action entirely (Korg calls it light weighted). I was all set to get an SE, but I walked into a local store on a whim and they had a K2 88 and I sat down behind it for a hour + and didnt get up !
It felt entirely different than ANY of the earlier generations of RH3. So much more responsive and smooth. So I went home and had Sweetwater overnight one to me.
FWIW, instead of an RH3 sticker on the top key, there was a made in japan sticker in red cursive, so it may be an upgraded or tweaked version?
I do know its COMPLETELY different than the SV1 or Grandstage.
As a matter of fact, the store had an SV1 and Grandstage running thru the same monitors as the K2.
Playing them did nothing to change my earlier AWFUL experiences with both boards.
So thats my experience.
But, to reiterate, the SE s an entirly different action than the other models!
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Would anyone here be able to give me a direct comparison of this new smart action vs the Korg RH3 action? Im caught between the S1000 and the D1
I've never played a D1 but generally I dislike the RH3 action. I owned two SV-1 s and hated them. The Grandstage is a little better but not by much. Not at all a fan of the Korg action.
On first play, I felt the new Casio as being right there with some of the best Yamahas- CP4 and CP88. I also prefer it to the Nord Piano 4 fwiw.
Dave, I HATED the RH3 on the SV1 and Grandstage. Beyond Awful.
But the new Kronos plays like butter.
I couldnt believe it, but I think they just save thier best action for the Kronos.
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Say what you will about Nords but the semi-weighted boards are among the best for playing Clav.
Yes... while I liked the SV1 action for clav better than most other hammer actions, sure, I would still prefer the Nord SW action... which also has a low release on the clavs. (As does the Mojo 61, though I haven't played that.)
Correction: I meant to write NORD semi weighted boards.
Yes, the Mojo 61 is PHENOMENAL to play Clav on (as well aseverything else)
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I'm not saying the CP's clav sounds are bad (heck, I haven't even played one), just that it only has 2 clav sounds (plus yes, EQ and effects you can apply to them), which makes me skeptical that it could be the best non-Nord for clav. In weighted action boards, I'd look at Montage/MODX8 and Forte7/SP6 as possibly some stronger clav/piano alternatives, maybe Crumar 7 if you're happy with the new piano...?Dont care for Grandstage....hate the action, especially for clavs, hate the layout and the tiny pb and mod wheels.
Well, if the PB and mod wheel is an issue, then it sounds like you're using this for more than piano/clav, yes? So then other things could also come into play.
But interesting about the Grandstage action being bad for clav. As weighted actions go, I thought the SV1 was above average for clav, because it has a lower release point than most. It seemed nice and snappy. In fact, I would have suggested SV1 insead of (or in addition to) Grandstage except that people generally find acoustic piano to be an SV1 weakness.
For a hardware Clav emulation to be successful, the action must be light and have a quick return. Neither of which applies to the Grandstage. Say what you will about Nords but the semi-weighted boards are among the best for playing Clav.
Moog Matriarch
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^^^^^^^^^^
This x 100000
I am flabbergasted that the Subsequent 37 has one of the worst keyboard actions I have ever played. I remember the Sub 37 action as less grateful than that of the Little Phatty, but the action on the Subsequent 37 was so bad I had to return 3 of them before giving up. Also when I corresponded the Moog Music, they said that the action was part of the design. This was unbelievable to me and most especially surprising coming from a company with one of the best keyboard actions ever (Voyager).
What is even more curious to me is, that if it is a design aspect the CV model has a TOTALLY DIFFERENT FEEL FROM THE NON CV MODEL... The CV plays great, with none of the issues of the standard model.