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Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: uhoh7] #3011170 10/05/19 06:10 PM
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Originally Posted by uhoh7
It's pretty obvious there is nothing technically stopping SL from giving us the whole farm: 76 keys, the WHOLE organ they made, and the sledge, with some pads a sequencer etc, all in one package, and with a light 2 octave pedal board, wireless, all for 750.00

I think they should make it for $29.95 and throw in a set of steak knives. (Could come in handy for the ELP.)


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For $29.99 I'd expect a waffle iron.

For $750 I'd really like a 76-note Numa. For $1500 a 76er with with their kosher organ, more VA and generally some more "pro" features (dual keyboard, split/pan outputs etc.) would be really cool.

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The lack of split/pan outputs is one of the most unfortunate limitations of the NC2X. The ability to pan a sound to one side or the other presumably would have added nothing to the cost, but it would have let you do things like send split bass to its own output (bass amp or separate FOH feed), or send organ alone out to a Ventilator, that kind of thing. Same issue with the VR-09/VR-730.


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Originally Posted by AnotherScott
Originally Posted by uhoh7
It's pretty obvious there is nothing technically stopping SL from giving us the whole farm: 76 keys, the WHOLE organ they made, and the sledge, with some pads a sequencer etc, all in one package, and with a light 2 octave pedal board, wireless, all for 750.00

I think they should make it for $29.95 and throw in a set of steak knives. (Could come in handy for the ELP.)

They obviously can put out some decent hardware out there for a low price. More realistically, for $1,000 getting most of your wish list in there minus the 2 octave pedal board.


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Originally Posted by Randelph
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It's pretty obvious there is nothing technically stopping SL from giving us the whole farm: 76 keys, the WHOLE organ they made, and the sledge, with some pads a sequencer etc, all in one package, and with a light 2 octave pedal board, wireless, all for 750.00

I think they should make it for $29.95 and throw in a set of steak knives. (Could come in handy for the ELP.)

They obviously can put out some decent hardware out there for a low price. More realistically, for $1,000 getting most of your wish list in there minus the 2 octave pedal board.


LOL IMHO, there is NOTHING on earth so overpriced as MIDI pedal boards. WTF? I'm not the only whiner, go on YT and search DIY pedal board, and you will see many desperate people hard at work OMG.

We are not talking hammer-action complextity here, although a wood feel could be nice wink

Seriously, a decent 32 note MIDI pedal board requires about 30.00 worth of electronics at most. The rest is technology any Spartan could find in 300BC. I hate the thought of any NEW plastic for anything, but there has to be some very cheap sudo-wood material, or just some cheap wood, brackets and hinges. Ikea-like.

Or one could go "VR", maybe even cheaper. Special socks and a reciever, no board needed at all!

No fruit hangs lower in the Keyboard market. No need to be modest in marketing: "prevents type 2 diabetes!" Since foot circulation is such a big complication in that regard, the claim is probably true, at least in part smile

I need to write a letter to Behringer. They could site the factory in post-brexit UK for some serious extra brownie points.

So many clonewheels, so few pedalboards......

Now, for a little wee hour Numa practice.....I have these open back Sennheiser mass drop headphones that it drives without effort, and sounds so nice....

Thanks again StudioLogic for the timely updates to your great board! I now have your cool soft case, which means I can take the thing on my bike, Greta-style. smile


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Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: To B3] #3011894 10/11/19 12:25 AM
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Greetings - I'm a bit of a newby to this thread so please excuse me if this has already been addressed.

Can anybody tell me what "Mastering" actually does on the NumaCompact 2X? It sounds like it sends high notes through the speaker on the right and low notes through the left speaker. But then again I think my ears are just playing tricks on me.

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...I noticed somebody mentioned a 32 midi pedal board. I built one back in 1980. I wired it to an Arp Axe synthesizer and played it at a club downtown Pittsburgh.

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Cool pedalboard, looks like its super long! Alot of folks on this forum are handy that way.

That look like a rather large and heavy stand for your 2 keyboards!


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Amen to the current whine, even if a bit off topic. For me, it's AGO all the way, baby.


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Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: To B3] #3013194 10/21/19 07:31 PM
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I did the update and added the sounds. I had to install a free midi player on my mac, but no biggie.

The Japan Grand. It's kind of the bright alter-ego to the "concert". Sounds nice with Strings1, and is quite distinct from the other pianos. The fretless bass is nice too, and the other sounds are fine. Good to have a few more options in the synth section.

The new utility makes moving stuff on and off the board easy, so I'm wondering.....what sorts of files are these? Could you add an instrument from another brand? extension is .bin

The utility instructions are not in the manual, but there is a basic guide on the website. You can't delete factory sounds. You can rearrange them however.

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Hello, I'm new on this forum and to keyboards in general. I'm very interested in the numa compact 2x but I also like the Korg Kross 2.
I understand they have a different featureset since one is more of a stage piano and the other is more of a workstation (hope I got these right).

I would like to ask for your opinion on which one of these two sounds best since I'm having a hard time deciding. I like the workstation features from the Korg but the quality of the sounds is more important to me right now.

Edit: I'm mainly referring to the korg kross 2 61 keys since the 88 is in a different price range.

Thank you very much,
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Originally Posted by Stefan Ioan
I would like to ask for your opinion on which one of these two sounds best since...I like the workstation features from the Korg but the quality of the sounds is more important to me right now.

There's no real answer to "which sounds best" because, for one thing, this can be subjective, and also, it's possible (even likely) that you'll like some sounds better on one and other sounds better on the other.

That said, the Kross would have some clear sonic advantages in having far MORE sounds in it, more editability to the sounds, the ability to combine (split/layer) more sounds (up to 16 at a time instead of 2), more effects flexibility, and the option of a monophonic (as opposed to polyphonic) synth mode with portamento (for lead synth sounds). Switching among sounds is also better with Korg's Favorite buttons and large number of locations for saving your sounds, compared to Numa's scroll knob and small number of storage locations. Numa would derive some sonic advantages from its drawbar organ mode and more real-time synth controls for in-performance manipulation. You could also say that, regardless of which piano sound you prefer, piano would play better from Numa's 88 better quality keys compared to Korg's 61 lesser quality keys. (Both actions increase key resistance as you move toward the rear of the key, which makes it harder to play piano expressively, but it's worse on the Korg.) It may also be worth considering that you can always add new sounds to the Numa (with an iPad, laptop, sound module), but you can't add more keys to the Kross or change its feel.

Also in the same range, you could consider the Roland Juno DS61 or Yamaha MX61. Neither has the workstation features of the Kross, but again depending on personal taste and exactly which sounds you are most concerned with, if sound is paramount, you might find you prefer the sounds of one or both of those over either the Korg OR the Numa. (Though adding more sounds via an iPad or whatever is easier with Korg and Numa than with these others, because of their better built-in MIDI patch selection capabilities).


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Thank you very much for your reply AnotherScott.
I have noticed the Roland Juno DS61 and but didn't know about the Yamaha MX61.

As far as sounds are concerned, I'm mostly looking for Electric Piano and Organ for now and consider Acoustic Piano, Synth and others as added bonus (not to be neglected). A better feeling keybed is also very interesting since I'm really just starting out.

So, to recap, I'm looking for a good keybed (while not hammer action since they are just too heavy to carry around for me), good sounds (Electric Piano and Organ mostly), relatively easy to carry around with me and under the 700 euro price mark.

I appreciate the workstation features that the Korg has.. but I do have a multi-track recorder that could cover some of them.
I appreciate pads, synths and other sounds but have no clear usecase for them right now.
The ability to use samples is interesting but it is not a must have for me right now.

This is to get me started, learn all the songs I wish to learn, write some songs, do a few live shows with a band. Once that happens, it would be okay for me to think about upgrading if I necessary (obviously great if I didn't have to but I'm just learning about these things now).

Thank you again for the information you provided, I'm very happy to have found this forum that has a great community.


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With the most important sounds being organ and EP, just for sound with other features aside, in your price range, I'd say the choice would be Numa Compact 2X or Roland VR09. Both also have the secondary sounds you've mentioned. The boards are basically similar in being bi-timbral keyboards with drawbar organ engine, VA synth engine, and selection of other common sampled sounds. Sonically I'd probably take Roland for organ (better rotary/overdrive I think) and Numa for EP (though again, subjective). Numa's main advantages would be 88 keys (and better ones, with aftertouch) and better ability to integrate/control external sounds via MIDI. Roland has the more capable and more editable synth section (though editing requires an iPad) and some buttons to give you quicker access to 16 of your favorite sounds. Roland has more available fx, though unlike Numa, if you combine two sounds, you can't put different fx on each of the two sounds. As always, pros and cons...


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Roland VR09 is yet another one I had missed smile thank you for the suggestion.


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I should revise some of my earlier organ whining about turning chorus and percussion on and off, does not seem to bother me anymore, and the real thing, at least mine, makes a crakle once in a while changing settings. I could not get my NUMA to do that the other day testing, maybe firmware helped or?

The acoustic pianos...funny how tough they are to really do well. My plug-in pianos are richer, for sure. As somebody noted, you need some serious space for samples, or really fantastic "V-piano" type tech I guess. I play my upright U1 clone alot, and it does spoil a person.

Next, I hope Studiologic will consider helping out the synth section. I've been slowly learning the Deepmind 12, and now I crave a shadow of that sort of control of motion in sound. The envelope setup on the NUMA seems strange now that I can use the envelopes on the Behringer. Why are there two sets of A/R sliders? I was trying to tweak up some good pads to go under those pianos, but really could not get to the stage of lush I was hoping....yet anyway. I'll keep working on that. The Synth sounds are too static as is, though rich. Under my hands, anyway, so far.

I look at those organ buttons and start imagining all the synthy things they might enable, like a VCF envelope toggle, and a little mod matrix menu would be so sweet. I would not expect a sledge in there, but more control would be fantastic.

Next, I'm going to try to get some control over the DM with the numa, running each over seperate sound systems, that could be fun.

The deepmind has a great organ style keybed (albeit divingboard), and one really interesting feature: the key-off is velocity senstive---per note. I think I'll try to go in reverse also and see if I can run the Numa organ with DM sliders. The Deepmind's big weakness is that it's not multitimbral and won't easliy take audio in--unless I'm mistaken. A shame because it has mad digital effects.

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Originally Posted by uhoh7
Why are there two sets of A/R sliders?
One set for filter envelope, one for amp (volume) envelope.


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Why are there two sets of A/R sliders?
One set for filter envelope, one for amp (volume) envelope.


I read that several times, but somehow when you write it, a bell rings in the mists of my elder brain, thank you.

DM 12 has VCA and VCF (and another) envelopes.

So the last two sliders on the CX2 are essentially the VCA envelope, correct?

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