xKnuckles Posted December 27, 2017 Share Posted December 27, 2017 You don't like the VR09 organ sounds Franky? That surprises me. I really love them. What don't you like about them? I can't help wondering whether you have somehow managed to not use the best possible settings to get the sound you want..... Quote "Turn your fingers into a dust rag and keep them keys clean!" Bluzeyone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
franky46 Posted December 28, 2017 Share Posted December 28, 2017 Hello, the V-Combo Editor is now on the CTRLR website: http://ctrlr.org/roland-vr09-vr730-v-combo-editor @xKnuckles The VR09 and the eternal discussion I am no adept of a specific Hammond clone sound, I like the former Roland VR/VKs, the Nords, the XK/XS, Numas, Visconts and I am far from being a "pure Hammond-sound" fanatic, I get my goosebumps from the warm, swirling sound of my chérie, the ol'Acetone GT plugged to a 'crappy' Echolette. But the VR09, errrr, no. Not for my ears What I don't like about it? To start with the most important, the clean 'base' sound, which in the case of the VR is missing the overtone spectrum that makes a Hammond (clone) sound like a Hammond (clone) and not a cheesy Bontempi sine generator. Then I try to compensate adding a bit of the missing overtones (e.g. some 4" and 2" to 8" etc), then start adding effects. To get a kind of rock organ I play with OD (the 'distorsion' overdrive ... yeah, it adds... distorsion), compression, twin rotary, the tone-dial, organ EQ, etc, short, everything that never belonged to a pizza... I find a nice sound on two octaves, but when I quit those it returns to bad, when I get the higher tones right the lowers lack ground, when I get the lowers right, the highers become dumb, missing brilliance and 'scream'. It's the thing with those disco girls layering tons of cosmetics on their face which makes them look like Mrs. Schiffer at the first glance, but better do not take a second look... And then it comes to Jazz. That's my favorite (and I really really like ... the Dennerlein style) Everything based on 8880... totally sucks on the VR09, and it's no 'ok I can live with it" - it's awfull, it hurts my ears (and not only mine!), my mind and my psyche. In my dispair I once plugged the VB3 to the VR audio-in, put earphones on and spend weeks to reproduce the VB3 sounds on the VR. For some few it worked, but for the majority, oh my godness! No soul, no warmth, no magic, no mystic, no 'drug'. Sincerely, I offer a bottle of good wine to the first who presents me a warm 8880...-like tube sound coming out of the VR. This said, this is NO criticism of the VR, it is what it is. I own it since two-fourteen and after a period of glowing hate after leaving the initial expectations , started to like it, really. It's a highly mobile 5kg car boot allrounder that can do everying on a decent but not amateur level. My only, very personal regret, if only Roland would have continued the VK8 engine... f Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WesG Posted December 28, 2017 Share Posted December 28, 2017 I must need better ears. I have a hard time telling the difference between my actual tonewheel rig and my VR09/Vent when listening to live recordings (Zoom H4n) of my band. The biggest "tell" is that my VR09/Vent rig is usually too loud. I must have a harder time balancing it in the stage mix for some reason. Probably because it's coming from a wedge. Also I will send the sound guy a submixed feed when it's VR09.............maybe I shouldn't be doing that. My piano level (CP4) is always good. Wes Quote Hammond: L111, M100, M3, BC, CV, Franken CV, A100, D152, C3, B3 Leslie: 710, 760, 51C, 147, 145, 122, 22H, 31H Yamaha: CP4, DGX-620, DX7II-FD-E!, PF85, DX9 Roland: VR-09, RD-800 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xKnuckles Posted December 28, 2017 Share Posted December 28, 2017 Hello, the V-Combo Editor is now on the CTRLR website: http://ctrlr.org/roland-vr09-vr730-v-combo-editor @xKnuckles The VR09 and the eternal discussion I am no adept of a specific Hammond clone sound, I like the former Roland VR/VKs, the Nords, the XK/XS, Numas, Visconts and I am far from being a "pure Hammond-sound" fanatic, I get my goosebumps from the warm, swirling sound of my chérie, the ol'Acetone GT plugged to a 'crappy' Echolette. But the VR09, errrr, no. Not for my ears What I don't like about it? To start with the most important, the clean 'base' sound, which in the case of the VR is missing the overtone spectrum that makes a Hammond (clone) sound like a Hammond (clone) and not a cheesy Bontempi sine generator. Then I try to compensate adding a bit of the missing overtones (e.g. some 4" and 2" to 8" etc), then start adding effects. To get a kind of rock organ I play with OD (the 'distorsion' overdrive ... yeah, it adds... distorsion), compression, twin rotary, the tone-dial, organ EQ, etc, short, everything that never belonged to a pizza... I find a nice sound on two octaves, but when I quit those it returns to bad, when I get the higher tones right the lowers lack ground, when I get the lowers right, the highers become dumb, missing brilliance and 'scream'. It's the thing with those disco girls layering tons of cosmetics on their face which makes them look like Mrs. Schiffer at the first glance, but better do not take a second look... And then it comes to Jazz. That's my favorite (and I really really like ... the Dennerlein style) Everything based on 8880... totally sucks on the VR09, and it's no 'ok I can live with it" - it's awfull, it hurts my ears (and not only mine!), my mind and my psyche. In my dispair I once plugged the VB3 to the VR audio-in, put earphones on and spend weeks to reproduce the VB3 sounds on the VR. For some few it worked, but for the majority, oh my godness! No soul, no warmth, no magic, no mystic, no 'drug'. Sincerely, I offer a bottle of good wine to the first who presents me a warm 8880...-like tube sound coming out of the VR. This said, this is NO criticism of the VR, it is what it is. I own it since two-fourteen and after a period of glowing hate after leaving the initial expectations , started to like it, really. It's a highly mobile 5kg car boot allrounder that can do everying on a decent but not amateur level. My only, very personal regret, if only Roland would have continued the VK8 engine... f Thanks for the link, Franky - that looks very useful. Interesting to hear your thoughts on the Vr's sound. Clearly your ears are far more sensitive than mine (I freely admit to being no connesseur of organs, having never played a real one...). I just know that I love the sounds the Vr produces. What a shame that you cannot create the sound you are after. Quote "Turn your fingers into a dust rag and keep them keys clean!" Bluzeyone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nils_O Posted December 29, 2017 Share Posted December 29, 2017 Hello, the V-Combo Editor is now on the CTRLR website: http://ctrlr.org/roland-vr09-vr730-v-combo-editor Is there a way to export an instrument definition file or in some way manually extract it from this. I would have liked to buy the VR-09 and use the Roland Atelier sounds from VArranger and need for this a .ins file. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
franky46 Posted December 29, 2017 Share Posted December 29, 2017 Servus @Nils: Nice idea ! But I have no glue about .ins files. From some documents I found it seems feasible to make a .ins file using the msb/msb/pc numbers, assuming the Arranger uses the 'bank'-formula '128*msb+lsb' ??! Do you have the .ins file specification? 4all: "V-Editor" update (dropped the KBD/GM2-tab to simplify working aera) http://ctrlr.org/roland-vr09-vr730-v-combo-editor don't know if I have better ears... hm, something to think about - at least it would be anything sensible in my anatomy... In the end it's a question of personal taste (said the ape and bite the soap..as Germans say), expectation and application. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roygBiv Posted December 29, 2017 Share Posted December 29, 2017 Hi Franky46 Thank you for making this editor, I am very much looking forward to trying it out! Quick question - along with editing patches, can one use this as a simple patch manager? I would like a simple way to re-arrange patches in memory, to save for different set-lists (my band leader likes to change the order of songs around frequently). If you program could be used to re-sort and re-order patches, then re-load them into memory on the VR09, that alone would be fantastic! Currently, re-arranging patches on the VR09 is a very slow thing to do, as it involves a lot of button pushes for each memory that you want to change (plus trying to remember what memory has what patch, without overwriting the patches you want, etc.). Cheers, Roy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
franky46 Posted December 30, 2017 Share Posted December 30, 2017 If you program could be used to re-sort and re-order patches, then re-load them into memory on the VR09, Hello Roy, to precise, when you speak about patches, you mean the registration (banks) and to rearrange them on keyboard? If so: the onboard registrations cannot be accessed and manipulated by midi. But as many VR-owner I was thinking about this problem. The solution is to use the registration export to USB-stick instead of midi. The full registration set is saved to a VR09_nmk.UPG file on the usb-stick. These files are binary encoded and can be edited with a hex editor. Each single registration is represented by a binary block that can be moved to other positions within the file (this works). As the CTRLR Panels can access the filesystem of the PC, it should be possible to write a parser for the upg-files. The tool chain would be: on VR, save registration set, move the usb-stick to the PC, load the .upg-file to the V-Combo editor, rearrange the registrations and save, move the stick back into the VR, load the new registration set. This seems possible, but this won't be for tomorrow. An other feature to implement: with the all those new sounds, it would be nice to have the possibility to save and reload sound-registrations within the app... so a lot of ideas, 2018 won't be boring f Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nils_O Posted December 30, 2017 Share Posted December 30, 2017 Servus @Nils: Nice idea ! But I have no glue about .ins files. From some documents I found it seems feasible to make a .ins file using the msb/msb/pc numbers, assuming the Arranger uses the 'bank'-formula '128*msb+lsb' ??! Do you have the .ins file specification? 4all: "V-Editor" update (dropped the KBD/GM2-tab to simplify working aera) http://ctrlr.org/roland-vr09-vr730-v-combo-editor don't know if I have better ears... hm, something to think about - at least it would be anything sensible in my anatomy... In the end it's a question of personal taste (said the ape and bite the soap..as Germans say), expectation and application. No but it should look something like this, I copied form VArranger forum. And as example MOXF ins file below. [My Bank 0-0] ; 0=GrandPiano 1=BrightPiano 2=El.GrandPiano 3=Honkytonk [My Super Bank 0-1] 0=GrandPiano KSP 1=BrightPiano KSP 2=El.GrandPiano KSP 3=Honkytonk KSP 4=ElectricPiano1 KSP [bank 0-114] 3=OctavePiano2 0=WarmGrand 4=GalaxyEP 19=HymnOrgan 20=Harmonium1 22=BluesHarp 23=TangoAccordion 33=ElectricBass [bank 121-1] 0=GrandPiano Wide 1=BrightPiano Wide 2=El.GrandPiano Wide 3=Honkytonk Wide .Instrument Definitions ; [Roland VR...] Patch[0]=My Bank 0-0 Patch[1]=My Super Bank 0-1 Patch[114]=Bank 0-114 Patch[15489]=Bank 121-1 ; MOXF ins file looks like this. ; ----------------------------------------------------------- ; Cakewalk Instrument Definition File for MOXF ; Generated by John Melas MOXF Total Librarian v2.3.1 ; ----------------------------------------------------------- .Patch Names [PRE1] 0=Pn:Full Concert Grand 1=Pn:Rock Grand Piano 2=Pn:Mellow Grand Piano 3=Pn:Glasgow 4=Pn:Romantic Piano 5=Pn:Aggressive Grand 6=Pn:Tacky 7=Pn:House Piano 8=Pn:Old and Squashed 9=Pn:Ballad Key 10=Pn:80s Layer 11=Pn:Ballad Stack 12=Pn:Piano Back 13=Pn:Piano & Strings 14=Pn:Piano & Ooh Choir 15=Pn:Monaural Grand MW 16=Pn:Old Blues 17=Pn:1968 18=Pn:CP 1979 19=Pn:CP70 Chorus 20=Pn:Journey 21=Kb:Vintage'74 22=Kb:R&B Soft 23=Kb:Early 70's 24=Kb:Soft Case 25=Kb:Crunchy Comp 26=Kb:Vintage Case 27=Kb:Hard Vintage 28=Kb:Sweetness MW+AS2 29=Kb:Phaser Vintage 30=Kb:Vintage Phase 31=Kb:Early Fusion 32=Kb:Neo Soul MW+AS1 33=Kb:1983 MW+AS1 34=Kb:Contempo 35=Kb:Clicky Dyno MW+AS2 36=Kb:Dyno Straight MW+AS2 37=Kb:Dyno Chorus MW+AS2 38=Kb:80s Boosted 39=Kb:Chorus Hard 40=Kb:Max Tine 41=Kb:Bell Chorus 42=Kb:Drive EP AS1 43=Kb:Vinyl EP AS1 44=Kb:Natural Wurli 45=Kb:Wurli EP Bright 46=Kb:Wurli Distortion AS1 47=Kb:Phaze Wurli 48=Kb:DX Legend 49=Kb:Bell DX 50=Kb:DX Woody 51=Kb:Full Tine 52=Kb:DX Mellow 53=Kb:DX Crisp 54=Kb:DX Celesta EP 55=Kb:DX Pluck EP 56=Kb:DX-7 II AS1 57=Kb:GS Tines AF1&2 58=Kb:Galaxy DX 59=Kb:TX816 Bell Piano 60=Kb:Marimba DX 61=Kb:DX5-Zero 62=Kb:Hybrid EP 63=Kb:Mixed Up 64=Kb:Dyno Wurli 65=Kb:Analog Piano 66=Kb:AhrAmI 67=Kb:Electro Piano 68=Kb:Transistor Piano 69=Kb:EP Pad 70=Kb:DX Pad 71=Kb:Dyno Choir 72=Kb:Vintage Clavi 73=Kb:Super Clavi 74=Kb:Stereo Clavi 75=Kb:Hollow Clavi 76=Kb:Nu Phasing 77=Kb:Touch Clavi 78=Kb:Pedal Wah Clavi FC2 79=Kb:Pulse Clavi 80=Kb:Guitarpsichord 81=Kb:Hipsichord 82=Or:16 + 8 + 5&1/3 83=Or:Jazz 2nd Perc + C3 84=Or:First 3 w/Perc 85=Or:Slow Jam 86=Or:Cool Cat 87=Or:Jazzy 1 88=Or:Jazzy 2 89=Or:Jazzy Chorus 90=Or:On Road AS1 91=Or:Progressy 92=Or:Rocky AS2 93=Or:Crunchy AS2 94=Or:1972 AS1 95=Or:Glassy AF1 96=Or:Clean 97=Or:All Bars Perc AF1&2 98=Or:Rotor Vibrato 99=Or:Vib Chorus AF1 100=Or:Soulemn 101=Or:Mellow AS2 102=Or:Fully 103=Or:FullDraw/CVibrato 104=Or:Even Out 105=Or:Harmonic Hole 106=Or:A Few Wheels 107=Or:Left Manual 108=Or:Draw Control 109=Or:Stop Rotar 110=Or:Clean Noise 111=Or:Walking Bass 112=Or:Greasy 113=Or:Swishie 114=Or:Solo Percussion AF2 115=Or:PercussionVibratoAF2 116=Or:Tiny Combo Bars 1 117=Or:Tiny Combo Bars 2 118=Or:Panther 119=Or:1967 Keys 120=Or:YD-45C 121=Or:Diamond Head 122=Or:Early Bird 123=Or:Moet 124=Or:Bollinger 125=Or:Vinyl Organ 126=Or:Alternator 127=Or:Flying Rhythm Bars [PRE2] 0=Or:Roundabout 1=Or:Tradi 2=Or:Petit 3=Or:Fluty 4=Or:Fluty Pipe 5=Or:St. Peter 6=Or:St. Paul AF1&2 7=Or:Impromptu 8=Or:Mixture 9=Or:Reed Split 10=Or:Medieval MW 11=Or:Breath Pipe 12=Or:Reedy Pipe 13=Or:Sunday 14=Or:Accordions AF1&2 15=Cp:Soft Marimba 16=Cp:Vibes Bow MW 17=Cp:Twinkle 18=Cp:Stick Bell 19=Cp:Ice Bells 20=Cp:Bell Ice 21=Cp:Stack Bell 22=Cp:J-Pop 23=Cp:Chorus Bell 24=Cp:Handbell 25=Cp:Bell Chiff 26=Cp:Sako Bell 27=Cp:Nice Bell 28=Cp:Noisy Bell 29=Cp:Pop Bells & Pad MW 30=Cp:Going To Heaven 31=Cp:Digibox 32=Cp:Nibelungen 33=Cp:Wood Bell 34=Cp:Marimbell 35=Cp:Synth Steel Drum 36=Cp:Gamelan 37=Cp:Ethnic Dream 38=Cp:Mystic Bowl 39=Et:Mbira 40=Cp:Glass Mbira 41=Cp:Island Bell 42=Cp:Tibetan 43=Cp:Rimba Bells 44=Cp:Lost in Asia 45=Cp:Coconuts Random 46=Cp:Kodo 47=Cp:Timpani/Bell/Glocken 48=Cp:Orc Percussion 49=Gt:Classical AF1&2 50=Gt:High Tension AF1&2 51=Gt:Sao Paulo 52=Gt:Barcelona 53=Gt:Nylon Slide Vel 54=Gt:Nylon Harmonics Vel 55=Gt:Classical 12 Strings 56=Gt:Hip-Hop Nylon Guitar 57=Gt:Steel String AF1&2 58=Gt:Old Strings AF1&2 59=Gt:Steel Slide Vel 60=Gt:Mute & Slide Vel 61=Gt:Steel Harmonics Vel 62=Gt:Hip-Hop Steel Guitar 63=Gt:Hi Strings 64=Gt:Two Acoustics 65=Gt:2 Steel Strings 66=Gt:Big 12 Strings 67=Gt:Airy 12 AF1&2 68=Gt:Wide 12 strings AF1 69=Gt:12Strings Mono 70=Gt:Clean El & Ac 1 71=Gt:Clean El & Ac 2 72=Gt:Clean El & Ac 3 73=Gt:Strange 12 74=Gt:Jazzy Pick 75=Gt:Melodic Jazz 76=Gt:Fat Oil Jazz AF1&2 77=Gt:Touch Wah AF1 78=Gt:Baby AF1 79=Gt:Good Night 80=Gt:Dynamic Clean AF1&2 81=Gt:Single Coil Chorus 82=Gt:Distant 83=Gt:Some Hair 84=Gt:Clean Slide Vel 85=Gt:Hit It Hard AS2 86=Gt:Paddy Clean 87=Gt:Bluesy Clean Legato 88=Gt:Dual Coil '65 89=Gt:Dual Coil Amp AS1 90=Gt:Roto Guitar MW 91=Gt:Dual Coil Slide Vel 92=Gt:Dual Coil Slap Vel 93=Gt:Dual Coil 80s Clean 94=Gt:Dual Coil Rotary 95=Gt:Electric 12Strings 96=Gt:Rotator AF1&2 97=Gt:Middy Tremolo 98=Gt:Retro Flanger 99=Gt:Vintage Strum 100=Gt:Spanky 101=Gt:Rockabilly 102=Gt:2 Electrics AF1&2 103=Gt:Light Blues AF1&2 104=Gt:Dual Coil Semi Clean 105=Gt:Chorus Dist AF1&2 106=Gt:Tex Boogie 107=Gt:59 Combo AF1&2 108=Gt:Alternative Rocker 109=Gt:Overdrive Mute&Harmo 110=Gt:Crunched Up 376 111=Gt:Dynamic Amp AS1 112=Gt:Chuggin' Guitar 113=Gt:Chugga 114=Gt:Small Amp AS1 115=Gt:Metal Mute AS2 116=Gt:DistortionMute&Harmo 117=Gt:Cool Drive AS1 118=Gt:Hard Drive AS1&2 119=Gt:Hard Ramp AS1&2 120=Gt:Heavy Drive 121=Gt:No.1 GTR AS1&2 122=Gt:Snake Finger 123=Gt:Dual Coil Blue Lead 124=Gt:Over The Top 125=Gt:Voodooman 126=Gt:Killer Whammy 127=Gt:Latin Lover [PRE3] 0=Gt:Oct FuzzPedalWah FC2 1=Gt:DualCoilLeadWah FC2 2=Gt:DualCoilHarmonicsVel 3=Gt:Crunchy Guitar 4=Gt:Beater AS2 5=Gt:HIP Mute 6=Gt:Pedal Steel 7=Gt:DualCoil80sCleanMute 8=Gt:Mid Drive (2handGtr) 9=Gt:HardRocker(2handGtr) 10=Gt:ToughTube (2handGtr) 11=Gt:DriveWah (2handGtr) 12=Gt:Resonator Guitar 13=Bs:Velo Growl 14=Bs:GrooveAcoustic AF1&2 15=Bs:Upright 16=Bs:Prec Flat Wound 17=Bs:Round Wound 18=Bs:Active P 19=Bs:Mid Range Finger 20=Bs:Active TRB 21=Bs:Passive BB AF1&2 22=Bs:Vintage JB AF1&2 23=Bs:StraightFinger AF1&2 24=Bs:JB Flat Wound AF1&2 25=Bs:Finger PBs AF1 26=Bs:Prec Amped AF1 27=Bs:Finger Bass Amp AF1 28=Bs:Fret Buzzy 29=Bs:Small Cabinet 30=Bs:Simple Pick 31=Bs:Pick Open 32=Bs:Pick Mute 33=Bs:Pick Pull 34=Bs:Straight Pick AF1&2 35=Bs:Velo Bass 36=Bs:Slap Switch 37=Bs:Fretless Dry 38=Bs:Fretless Solo 39=Bs:PBassFingerDist AF1 40=Bs:Fuzz Bass AF1AS1 41=Bs:Gnarly Bass 42=Bs:BaCement 43=Bs:Dist Tama Bass 44=Bs:5th Fuzz Bass 45=Bs:Chili Bass 46=Bs:Big Cabinet 47=Bs:Hybrid Bass 1 48=Bs:Hybrid Bass 2 49=Bs:3 VCOs 50=Bs:Brain Bass AF1&2 51=Bs:Lo Boy AF1&2 AS1&2 52=Bs:Dark Bass 53=Bs:RnBass RB 54=Bs:Fundamental 55=Bs:Fat Sine Resonance 56=Bs:Moon Bass 57=Bs:More Fatty 58=Bs:Chill Out Bass AF1 59=Bs:Growler 60=Bs:Smacked 61=Bs:boooooooooom 62=Bs:Biting 63=Bs:Boogie A LegatoAF1RB 64=Bs:Uni Punch 65=Bs:Noise Bass 66=Bs:Single Oscillator 67=Bs:Unison 68=Bs:Long Spit AF2 69=Bs:Big Bass 70=Bs:Bass&Comp! 71=Bs:Rave Blade 72=Bs:Plastic Bass 73=Bs:Funky Resonance RB 74=Bs:Phat Three 75=Bs:Needle Bass 76=Bs:Acidd 77=Bs:Boom Bass AF1 78=Bs:West Coast 79=Bs:Wazzo 80=Bs:Fast PWM Bass 81=Bs:Bass Pedal 82=Bs:Oxide 83=Bs:Bowngo 84=Bs:Wide Synth Bass 85=Bs:Dry Synth Bass 86=Bs:Kick Bass Legato 87=Bs:Keep Dancin' AS2 88=Bs:Velo Master 89=Bs:Wah Bass 90=Bs:Pulse Step AF1 91=Bs:Phat Step AS1&2 92=Bs:Octave Analog 93=Bs:Sync Bass 94=Bs:Sync Big 95=Bs:Puncher AS1 96=Bs:Dark Comp AF1&2 97=Bs:Simple Bass AS2 98=Bs:Fat Sine 99=Bs:Kompressor 100=Bs:Dark Uni 101=Bs:Fight Bass 102=Bs:Byon Bass 103=Bs:One Voice 104=Bs:Pro-Attack AF1 105=Bs:Bobby Bass 106=Bs:Trance Bass AS2 107=Bs:Short Sequence Bass 108=Bs:Lately 109=Bs:Faaat Pulse 110=Bs:Short PWM Bass 111=Bs:Hyper Velocity AF1 112=Bs:Deep Point 113=Bs:Pulse Stop 114=Bs:Oh Bee Bass 115=Bs:Booming Bass 116=Bs:Army Bass 117=Bs:Punchy Drone RB 118=Bs:Dee Tune 119=Bs:Chorus Pulse 120=Bs:Sweeper 121=Bs:Old House Organ 122=Bs:Data Run 123=Bs:Sharp 3o3 124=Bs:Short 3o3 Saw 125=Ld:Acid Fun AS1 126=Bs:Compu Bass 127=Bs:Squeaker Bass [PRE4] 0=St:Violin Solo 1 1=St:Violin Solo 2 AF1 2=St:Viola Solo 1 3=St:Viola Solo 2 AF1 4=St:Cello Solo 5=St:Cello Duo AF1 6=St:Contrabass Solo 7=St:Contrabass Solo2 AF1 8=St:Quartet 9=St:Small Section 10=St:Small Ensemble 11=St:Almighty 12=St:Medium Section 13=St:Medium Hall 14=St:Medium Large Section 15=St:Quick Bows 16=St:Aggressive AF1 17=St:Large Section 18=St:Octave Ensemble 19=St:Full Chamber 20=St:Stryngs 21=St:Dynamik Bow 22=St:Symphonic Pizzicato 23=St:Plucky Pizzicato 24=St:Octave Pizzes 25=St:Tremolo Strings 1 26=St:TremoloStrings Small 27=St:Spicato Large 28=St:Disco AF1 29=St:Ens Mix 30=St:Lush 31=St:Back Ground 32=St:Romantic 33=St:Warm Back 34=St:Stringy 35=St:Big Strings 36=St:PWM Strings 37=St:Mourn Strings 38=St:VP Soft 39=St:PWM Simple 40=St:Glassy Rezonant 41=St:Superstrings 42=St:Light Pad 43=St:Noble Pad 44=St:Warm Big 45=St:Sentimental 46=St:Analog Sweep 47=St:Phase Strings AS1 48=St:Octave Strings 49=St:JP Strings 50=St:3Oscillators Vintage 51=St:Silver Strings 52=St:String Machine 53=St:3 Octave Strings 54=St:Trance Introduction 55=St:Mystic Trance 56=St:F.Horn + Strings 57=St:Wood Winds + Strings 58=St:ElectricViolin AF1&2 59=St:Tron Violin 60=St:Tron Strings 61=St:Tape Strings AS2 62=St:Orchestronic 63=St:Vinyltron 64=St:Analog Strings 65=St:Analog Ensemble 66=St:Pizz-o-matic 67=St:Ambient Pizza 68=St:Beauty Harp 69=St:Stereo Harp 70=Br:Trumpet 1 AF1 71=Br:Tp Romantic Legato 72=Br:Classical Trumpet 73=Br:Baby Trumpet AF1 74=Br:Bright Trumpet AF1 75=Br:Tp Soft Jazz Legato 76=Br:Legend Mute AF1 77=Br:Jazzy Flugel AF1 78=Br:Trumpet Section 79=Br:Trombone 1 AF1 80=Br:Blown Bone Legato 81=Br:Bright Trombone AF1 82=Br:New Orleans Trombone 83=Br:French Horn AF1 84=Br:French Horn Solo 85=Br:BassTuba(Bb) 86=Br:Euphonium 87=Br:Bony Section 88=Br:French Horn Section 89=Br:F.Horn + Trombone 90=Br:F.Hrn + Trmbn + Trp 91=Br:Orchestra Brass 92=Br:Movie Horns 93=Br:Symphonic 94=Br:Smooth Brass 95=Br:SoftBrss mp-mf AF1&2 96=Br:Dynamic Brass AF1&2 97=Br:Accent mf-fall AF1&2 98=Br:Small Brass Section 99=Br:Medium Brass Section 100=Br:Lots O' Brass 101=Br:Bright Section 102=Br:Power Section 103=Br:Shiny Brass 104=Br:Big Brass AF1&2 105=Br:Sforzando AF1&2 106=Br:Soft Brass & Sax 107=Br:Big Band 108=Br:Sax Big Band 109=Br:Velo Falls 110=Br:Hybrid Section 111=Br:Hybrid Bright 112=Br:Hybrid Brass Swell 113=Br:T Brass 114=Br:Lo-fi AS1&2 115=Br:Quiet Brass 116=Br:Big Syn 117=Br:Thinth 118=Br:XP Brass Stereo 119=Br:Simple Saw Brass 120=Br:Brassy 121=Br:Kustom 122=Br:After 1984 123=Br:Finale 124=Br:Huge CS80 125=Br:CS-90 126=Br:Ob Soft 127=Br:Ob Horns [PRE5] 0=Br:Slow PWM Brass 1=Br:Soft 5th Brass 2=SW:Soprano Legato 3=SW:Soprano Soft AF1 4=SW:Alto Vib Legato 5=SW:Alto Legato 6=SW:Alto 7=SW:Tenor Dynamic AF1 8=SW:Tenor Soft Legato 9=SW:Velo Growl Legato 10=SW:Tenor Growl AF1 11=SW:Baritone 12=SW:Hip Bari 13=SW:Tenor Section 14=SW:Sax Octave Section 15=SW:Mixed Sax Section 16=SW:Flute Legato 17=SW:Sweet Flute AF1 18=SW:Wood Flute 19=SW:Oboe 1 AF1 20=SW:Sweet Oboe Legato 21=SW:Oboe Soft Legato 22=SW:Clarinet 1 AF1 23=SW:JazzyClarinet Legato 24=SW:Bassoon 1 AF1 25=SW:Irish Pipe Legato 26=SW:2 Flutes 27=SW:Flute & Clari 28=SW:2 Oboes & Bassoon 29=SW:WoodWind Quartet 30=SW:Gentle Harp 31=SW:Woody Harp 32=SW:Bluz Distort 33=SW:Campfire 34=SW:Tron Flute 35=SW:Flootz 36=Ld:Huge Lead 37=Ld:Bleep Lead AF2 38=Ld:Detuned Vintage 39=Ld:Space Lead 40=Ld:Dual Square Lead 41=Ld:Vintage Sync 42=Ld:Dirty Hook 43=Ld:Nu Mini 44=Ld:ProgressiveRock Lead 45=Ld:Lucky 46=Ld:Opening 47=Ld:Rap Lead 1 48=Ld:Mini Soft 49=Ld:Feeling 50=Ld:Early Lead 51=Ld:Funky Pulse 52=Ld:Mr. Finger 53=Ld:Singleline 54=Ld:Soft RnB 55=Ld:Wind Synth 56=Ld:Broken Sine RBAS1 57=Ld:Duck Lead 58=Ld:In da Night 59=Ld:Mayday MW 60=Ld:On D Line 61=Ld:Early Soloist 62=Ld:Heterodyne 63=Ld:Classic 5th 64=Ld:Vintage Saw 65=Ld:Mini Three 66=Ld:Phat Dino 67=Ld:Dynamic Mini 68=Ld:PWM Lead 69=Ld:Pulse Wound 70=Ld:Think Sync 71=Ld:Punch Lead 72=Ld:Bright Saw 73=Ld:Trojan 74=Ld:Wood Panel 75=Ld:Push Ahead 76=Ld:Eight 77=Ld:Sync Power 78=Ld:Glisten Lead 79=Ld:Big Drone 80=Ld:Screameemy 81=Ld:Flange Filter 82=Ld:Sutra 83=Ld:Free LFO 84=Ld:Rap Lead 2 85=Ld:Space Power Lead 86=Ld:Nyquist 87=Ld:Digimetal 88=Ld:Saw destroy 89=Ld:Vinalog saw 90=Ld:Mady SQU 91=Ld:Low Undulation 92=Ld:Impact 93=Ld:Talk Mod 94=Ld:Digital Gangsta 95=Ld:Plastic Squeeze 96=Ld:Pinz Lead 97=Ld:Dancy Saw Lead 98=Ld:Buzz Around 99=Ld:Xtreme Wheel 100=Ld:Supertrance 101=Ld:Poly Hook 102=Ld:HPF Dance 103=Ld:Tekk Glide 104=Ld:Growl Tekk 105=Ld:Plucked Chordz 106=Ld:Chordz 107=Ld:Cool Body 108=Ld:Twist Sync 109=Ld:TEKIE 110=Ld:Sonix 111=Ld:Big Skid Hook Lead 1 112=Ld:Big Skid Hook Lead 2 113=Ld:Porta Queen 114=Ld:Vicious Dogs 115=Pd:Saw Pad 116=Pd:Dark Modulation Pad 117=Pd:Dark Light 118=Pd:Ambient Synthpad 119=Pd:5th Lite 120=Pd:Smooth BPF Sweep 121=Pd:High Wire 122=Pd:Trance MW 123=Pd:Xtreme Sweep 124=Pd:Nu WarmPad 125=Pd:5th Atmosphere 126=Pd:Dim 127=Pd:Simple Air [PRE6] 0=Pd:Nature Sine 1=Pd:Analog 2=Pd:Perc Pad 3=Pd:Dark Atmo Pad 4=Pd:Dark Organ Pad 5=Pd:Soft Brassy 6=Pd:Road to Nowhere 7=Pd:Sweep Strings 8=Pd:Brass Motion Pad 9=Pd:Luminous 10=Pd:Mother Ship 11=Pd:Warm Backing Pad 12=Pd:Feather 13=Pd:Pan Sphere 14=Pd:Square 15=Pd:Shaper 16=Pd:Early Digital 17=Pd:Dramana 18=Pd:Dream Shift 19=Pd:Remote Space 20=Pd:Fathoms 21=Pd:SY22 2007 22=Pd:Mother Earth 23=Pd:Landing Pad 24=Pd:The Breath 25=Pd:Humanity 26=Pd:Vowel Pad 27=Pd:Feather Pad 28=Pd:Slow Attack Pad 29=Pd:Hi Brite 30=Pd:Pad & Syn 31=Pd:Cosmic Swell Pad 32=Pd:Sweet Flange 33=Pd:Waterfall 34=Pd:Phase Pad 35=Pd:Pure Synth 36=Pd:Pearls 37=Pd:Flange Wall 38=Pd:Tornado 39=Pd:Ice Rink 40=Pd:Turbulence 41=Pd:Bell Pad 42=Pd:Paradise 43=Pd:Yellow River 44=Pd:Love Me 45=Pd:Frozen Pad 46=Pd:Pensive 47=Pd:Space Vocals 48=Pd:Haah Pad 49=Pd:Oooh Pad 50=Pd:Back in Itopian 51=Pd:Strings & Choir 52=Pd:Angel Eyes 53=Pd:Glass Choir 54=Pd:Nativity 55=Pd:Seraphim 56=Pd:Analog Shine 57=Pd:Cosmic Gate 58=Pd:Catching Wild Horses 59=Pd:High Pass Gate 60=Pd:Rhythmic Filterpad 1 61=Pd:Rhythmic Filterpad 2 62=Sc:P5 Resonance Comp 63=Sc:P5 Analog Punch 64=Sc:Cool Trance 65=Sc:>Attack< 66=Sc:Club Finger 67=Sc:Wobbly RB 68=Sc:Ana Dayz 69=Sc:Airy Nylon 70=Sc:Progressive Attack 71=Sc:Oracle 72=Sc:Big Comp 73=Sc:Rezz Punch 74=Sc:Resonant Clavi 75=Sc:Straight RB 76=Sc:Psych Noise 77=Sc:Squiffy Misbehaving 78=Sc:Lektro Codes 79=Sc:Hard FM Keys 80=Sc:W Phaser 81=Sc:DPCM Attack 82=Sc:Talk 83=Sc:Digy_SEQ 84=Sc:Nerve Nasty 85=Sc:Ring_Zplus 86=Sc:Trance Attack 87=Sc:Tekno Attack AF1&2 88=Sc:PWM Percussion 89=Sc:Stabby 90=Sc:Detroit Stab 91=Sc:Corrado 92=Sc:Synthetique 93=Sc:Noiz Rezz 94=Sc:Tuxedo 95=Sc:Queens 96=Sc:Hip Voice 97=Sc:GX1 98=Sc:Night Watch 99=Sc:Pluck Bells 100=Sc:Power Dance Chords 101=Sc:Hyper Trance 102=Sc:Cosmic Psyche 103=Sc:Chillin' Chords 104=Sc:Dirty Chordz 105=Sc:Wild Horses 106=Sc:Sixpack AF1&2 107=Sc:Percussive Chords 108=Sc:Chordmaster 109=Sc:In the Mirror 110=Sc:Come together! 111=Sc:Happy Hour 112=Sc:Recycling 113=Sc:Digital Dreaming 114=Sc:Carpenter's Wife 115=Sc:Electronic Games 116=Sc:Dancing Waves 117=Sc:Hit Factory 118=Sc:Freaky Loop 119=Sc:Mr. Wah! 120=Sc:Chill Comp 1 121=Me:Chill Comp 2 122=Sc:Kalimboidal 123=Sc:Bippus 124=Sc:Virtuoso Sequencia 125=Sc:Fat Saw Arpeggio 126=Sc:Trancious Line 127=Sc:Metal Plate [PRE7] 0=Sc:Fifth Dancer 1=Sc:Percussive Sequence 2=Sc:Simply Faaat 3=Sc:Bright Dance 4=Sc:Quadro Tune 5=Ld:Champ 6=Se:Men In Yellow 7=Se:Metamorphosis 8=Se:Perplex 9=Se:Outer Planet 10=Se:Industrial 11=Se:Space Walking 12=Se:Scraper 13=Se:SE_02 14=Se:Talking Machines 15=Se:Tobi Mage 16=Se:Bitzz MW 17=Se:Thexism 18=Se:In My Head 19=Se:Toda 20=Se:Water Tank 21=Se:Auto Trapeze 22=Se:Harpist's Nightmare 23=Se:Find Newgt! 24=Se:Nile River 25=Se:New Age Atmo 26=Se:Wind Blows 27=Se:Fire! 28=Se:Scratching Machine 29=Se:Goa Psyche 30=Se:Wait For Bad Weather 31=Se:Reverse The Audio 32=Se:Radio Static 33=Se:Modifier X 34=Se:Surveillance 35=Se:Noise FX 36=Se:Sample&Hold Vintage 37=Se:Lazerzz 38=Se:uhohhrr 39=Se:On The Fritz 40=Se:Scratch Thing MW 41=Se:Trash Can Lid Band 42=Se:Piston Engine 43=Se:Waka Waka Noize 44=Se:Argentina 45=Me:Gate of Eden 46=Me:Wave Journey 47=Me:Whispering Ghosts 48=Me:Nighttrain to Munich 49=Me:Morning Dew 50=Me:Calling Mr. Reso 51=Me:2 Switches to Heaven 52=Me:Cell Division 53=Me:Jumping Needle 54=Me:SEKAI-ISAN 55=Me:Setsunai AF2 56=Me:Week End 57=Se:Dragonfly 58=Me:TiRiPAD 59=Me:Cluster 60=Me:Xtreme Rezz 61=Me:Bit Space 62=Me:My Reality 63=Me:Waterproof 64=Me:Magnetics 65=Me:Sand 66=Me:Felicity 67=Me:Vibrancy 68=Me:Metalflake 69=Me:Radio Venus 70=Me:Elec Blue 71=Me:Chyo Ethno 72=Me:Metal Shaper 73=Me:Calculator 74=Me:konjoh BEAM 75=Me:Blizzard 76=Me:SINGING BOWL 77=Me:Vektris 78=Me:Metalvox Pad 79=Me:Refraction 80=Me:Philanger 81=Me:Slippery Ambience 82=Me:Ellipsotron 83=Me:Envelope 84=Me:Whatsis 85=Me:Pearl Collection 86=Me:Four Dimensions 87=Me:Hallucination 88=Me:Arctic Sequence 89=Me:Drifting 90=Me:Electraid 91=Me:Bed Time Story 92=Me:Clearing 93=Me:Long HiPa 94=Me:Quad Swell 95=Me:New Stab 96=Me:Vinyl Hit 97=Me:Hit Me 98=Me:Ambient Bite 99=Me:Green Valley 100=Me:Everlasting Glory 101=Me:Thinking of You 102=Me:Festival of Harmony 103=Me:Paris at Night 104=Me:On my Way to UK 105=Me:Chillin' Ibiza 106=Me:Heavens Door 107=Me:Cocktail 108=Me:Vanilla 109=Me:Ibiza Groove 110=Me:Nylon Chill 111=Me:Xtreme Harp 112=Me:Trancing in the Rain 113=Me:Gated Detune 114=Me:Gated Choir 115=Me:Exotic 116=Me:Syncscraper 117=Me:Ethnotic 118=Me:ComSat 119=Me:Investikator 120=Me:Monkey Bars 121=Me:Chilltrancer 122=Me:Random Beatz 123=Me:Electro Hood 124=Me:My Subwoofers 125=Me:Mister Sinister 126=Me:Polyrhythm 127=Me:Blood Flow [PRE8] 0=Me:On The Verge 1=Me:Droid 2=Me:Worker Ant 3=Me:Chopp Lingo 4=Me:Vinyl Beatnik 5=Me:Drop Zone ARP 6=Me:Particle 7=Me:Simple Arp 8=Me:Cyber Cycle 9=Me:BollogPuls 10=Me:Octopus 11=Me:Electronic Beatz 12=Me:Dreamin' of You 13=Me:Brothers & Sisters 14=Me:Pizza No.1 15=Me:Electronix 16=Me:TekkNow 17=Me:Hollow Sequence 18=Me:Icicle 19=Me:Jegog 20=Me:Octo Strobe 1 21=Me:Octo Strobe 2 22=Me:Random Waves 23=Me:Semar 24=Me:Trailing Headlights 25=Me:Dream Winds 26=Et:Kemence 27=Et:Kemen Wet 28=Et:Yayli 29=Et:Kawala 30=Et:Santur 31=Et:Baglama 32=Et:Kotoun 33=Et:Kanun 34=Et:Bouzuki 35=Et:Oud Tremolo Vel 36=Et:SazFeeze 37=Et:Where Am I? 38=Et:Sakura 39=Et:Nomad 40=Et:Pluk-o-dy 41=Et:Tambura 42=Et:Sitar MW 43=Et:Tabla Zone 44=Et:Udu 45=Et:Djembe 46=Et:Dhol 47=Et:Khol 48=Et:Ney 49=Et:Zurna 50=Et:Pungi 51=Et:Shehnai 1 52=Et:Didgeridoo 53=Et:Snake Charmer 54=Et:Mythic Flute 55=Et:Ethnology 56=Et:Oztralian 57=Dr:8Z Destruct 58=Dr:8Z Jarrin 59=Dr:8Z Romps 60=Dr:8Z Glitch 61=Dr:8Z Oxidized 62=Dr:8Z D&B Machine 63=Dr:8Z Down Tempo 64=Dr:8Z Early Lo-Fi 65=Dr:8Z Noize Xpress 66=Dr:8Z Trance Basics 67=Dr:8Z Reverse Beatz 68=Dr:8Z Crush Dance 69=Dr:8Z Heavy Hearts 70=Dr:8Z Chilly Breakz 71=Dr:8Z Gated Beatz 72=Dr:8Z Hip Hop Shakers 73=Dr:8Z Blip Hop 74=Dr:8Z Nasty Glitch 75=Dr:8Z Scratch 76=Dr:8Z Tod 77=Dr:8Z Psychedelic 1 78=Dr:8Z Psychedelic 2 79=Dr:8Z Dub Element 80=Gt:Mega Nylon 81=Gt:Mega Steel 82=Gt:Mega 12 Steel 83=Gt:Mega 60s Clean 84=Gt:Mega 60s ChorusCombo 85=Gt:Mega 60s Tremolo 86=Gt:Mega 60s Blues Tone 87=Gt:Mega 60s Phaser 88=Gt:Mega 60s Tube Tone 89=Gt:Mega 60s Dist Stack 90=Gt:Mega 60s Road House 91=Gt:Mega 60s Small Blues 92=Gt:Mega 60s Pedal Wah 93=Gt:Mega 60s VCM T.Wah 94=Gt:Mega 60s T.Wah&Dist 95=Gt:Mega 60s Jet Flanger 96=Gt:Mega 1coil Clean 97=Gt:Mega 1coil Chorus 98=Gt:Mega 1coil Tremolo 99=Gt:Mega 1coil BluesTone 100=Gt:Mega 1coil Phaser 101=Gt:Mega 1coil Tube Tone 102=Gt:Mega 1coil Tube Amp1 103=Gt:Mega 1coil Tube Amp2 104=Gt:Mega 1coil Roadhouse 105=Gt:Mega 1coil VCM T.Wah 106=Gt:Mega 60s Clean Delay 107=Gt:Mega 60s Slap Clean 108=Gt:Mega 60s Slap Dist 109=Gt:Mega 1coil SlapClean 110=Gt:Mega 1coil Slap Dist 111=Gt:Mega1coilSlpPedalWah 112=Gt:Mega Ovdr Distortion 113=Gt:Mega Ovdr Fuzz 114=Bs:Mega Acoustic Bass 115=Bs:Mega Finger+Harmonic 116=Bs:Mega Fretless Bass 117=Bs:Mega Pick Open Amped 118=Bs:Mega Pick Mute Amped 119=Bs:Mega Slap Bass 120=Bs:Mega Finger+Slap 121=Bs:Mega Finger+Pull Amp 122=Bs:Mega Pick Open Mute 123=Bs:Mega Pick OpMt Dark 124=Vc:Vocoder with Delay 125=Vc:Funky Vocoder 126=Vc:Vocoder Pad 1 127=Vc:Vocoder Pad 2 [PRE9] 0=Pn:Natural Grand S6 1=Pn:Piano Rock S6 2=Pn:Woody Piano S6 3=Pn:Intimate S6 4=Kb:Clavi Bril Treble 5=Kb:Clavi Amped 6=Kb:Clavi Phaser 7=Kb:Clavi Touch Wah 8=Kb:Clavi PedalWah MW 9=Kb:Natural Harpsichord 10=Kb:Octave Harpsichord 11=Or:Vx Full Bars 12=Or:Vx Dark Bars 13=Or:Fr All Tabs 14=Or:Fr Bright Boost 15=Or:Fr String Tabs 16=Or:Vx Full Bars Amped 17=Or:Vx Surf Organ 18=Or:Fr Raspy Tabs 19=Or:Master Accordion 20=Or:French Musette 21=Or:Cassotto 22=Or:Tango Accordion 2 23=Cp:Vibraphone 24=Cp:Vibraphone Soft 25=Cp:Tubular Bell 2 26=Cp:Real Timpani AF2 Mfl 27=Gt:1coil Clean AF1&2 28=Gt:1coil Amped Vel 29=Gt:Vintage 1coil Chorus 30=Gt:Surfin' 60s 1coil 31=Gt:Breakback Mountain 32=Gt:Grunged Up 33=Gt:Jazz Clean AF1&2 34=Gt:Arched Top 35=Gt:Jazz Blues 36=Bs:Round Wound Finger 37=Bs:Tube Finger Bass 38=Bs:Slightly Grunged 39=Bs:Prec Pick 40=Bs:Pick Amp 41=Bs:Universal AF1&2 42=Bs:Analog Bullet Bass 43=Bs:Analog Perc Bass 44=Bs:Analog Step Bass 45=Bs:Short Buzz AF1&2 46=Bs:Bass Machine AF1 47=Bs:Deep Ramp AF1&2 48=St:Section Strings 1 49=St:Section Strings 2 50=St:Section Strings 3 51=St:Section Strings 4 52=St:Tremolo Section 53=St:Pizzicato Vel 54=St:Orchestra Harp 55=St:Harp Ambient 56=St:Gleaming Pad AF1&2 57=St:Fat PWM Synth Vel 58=St:Vintage Polystrings 59=Br:Soft Trumpet Legato 60=Br:Trumpet Vibrato 61=Br:Trumpet Shake Vel 62=Br:French Horn Section2 63=Br:Flugelhorn 64=Br:Jazz Brass Section 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111=Me:Da Thumperz 112=Me:Meister Chilla 113=Me:X-Generator AF1&2 114=Me:GlaringMessage AF1&2 115=Et:Sitar 2 116=Et:India Harmonium 117=Et:Berimbau 118=Et:Banjo 2 119=Dr:Nu Orc Percussion 120=Dr:8Z Cajon 121=Dr:8Z Djembe 122=Dr:8Z Static 123=Dr:8Z RX11 124=Dr:8Z Trance Basics 2 125=Dr:8Z Tom Heartz 126=Gt:Mega 1coil Old R&R 127=Gt:Mega Jazz Guitar [GM] 0=Pn:Concert Grand Piano 1=Pn:Rock Brite Piano 2=Pn:CP 2007 3=Pn:Honkytonk 4=Kb:E.Piano 1 5=Kb:E.Piano 2 6=Kb:Harpsichord 7=Kb:Brite Clavi 8=Cp:Celesta 9=Cp:Glocken 10=Cp:Music Box 11=Cp:Vibes 12=Cp:Marimba 13=Cp:Xylophone 14=Cp:Tubular Bell 15=Cp:Dulcimer 16=Or:Draw Organ 17=Or:Percussive Organ 18=Or:Rock Organ 19=Or:Church Organ 20=Or:Reed Organ 21=Or:Accordion 22=SW:Harmonica 23=Or:Tango Accordion 24=Gt:Nylon Guitar 25=Gt:Steel Guitar 26=Gt:Jazz Guitar 27=Gt:Clean Guitar 28=Gt:Mute Guitar 29=Gt:Overdrive Guitar 30=Gt:Distortion Guitar 31=Gt:Guitar Harmonics 32=Bs:Acoustic Bass 33=Bs:Finger Bass 34=Bs:Pick Bass 35=Bs:Fretless Bass 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Attack 78=Sc:W Phaser 79=Ld:Xtreme Wheel 80=Me:Ibiza Groove 81=Dr:8Z Crush Dance 82=Me:Syncscraper 83=Bs:Byon Bass 84=Pd:Pensive 85=Me:Cocktail 86=Me:Drop Zone ARP 87=Me:Random Beatz 88=Dr:8Z Reverse Beatz 89=Me:TekkNow 90=Pd:Trance MW 91=Bs:Oxide 92=Ld:PWM Lead 93=Me:Thinking of You 94=Pd:Dark Atmo Pad 95=Pd:Feather 96=Me:Investikator 97=Dr:8Z Destruct 98=Sc:Lektro Codes 99=Bs:Kick Bass Legato 100=Pd:Perc Pad 101=Sc:Club Finger 102=Sc:Ring_Zplus 103=Pd:Saw Pad 104=Dr:8Z Nasty Glitch 105=Me:Slippery Ambience 106=Me:Morning Dew 107=Bs:Fat Sine Resonance 108=Bs:Pulse Step AF1 109=Pd:Oooh Pad 110=Ld:TEKIE 111=Ld:Sync Power 112=Me:Whatsis 113=Me:Cell Division 114=Me:Semar 115=Ld:Buzz Around 116=Me:Elec Blue 117=Me:Sand 118=Me:Pearl Collection 119=Me:Electro Hood 120=Dr:8Z Glitch 121=Se:Lazerzz 122=Se:On The Fritz 123=Se:Piston Engine 124=Se:Talking Machines 125=Me:Bed Time Story 126=Me:Octopus 127=Se:In My Head [uSER2] 0=Pn:Rock Grand Piano 1=Or:FullDraw/CVibrato 2=Gt:Steel String AF1&2 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5=Dr:Rock Stereo Kit 1 6=Dr:Rock Stereo Kit 2 7=Dr:Nu Hip Hop Kit 1 8=Dr:Nu Hip Hop Kit 2 9=Dr:Hip Hop Kit 1 10=Dr:Hip Hop Kit 2 11=Dr:Hip Hop Kit 3 12=Dr:Hip Hop Kit 4 13=Dr:Hip Stick Kit 1 14=Dr:Hip Stick Kit 2 15=Dr:R&B Kit 1 16=Dr:R&B Kit 2 17=Dr:R&B Kit 3 18=Dr:Trance Kit 19=Dr:Psychedelic Kit 20=Dr:Chill Out Kit 21=Dr:Brush Kit 22=Dr:Jazz Kit 23=Dr:Pop Latin Kit 24=Dr:Analog T9 Kit 25=Dr:Analog T8 Kit 26=Dr:Tekno Kit 27=Dr:House Kit 1 28=Dr:House Kit 2 29=Dr:House Compressed Kit 30=Dr:Big Kit 31=Dr:Break Kit 32=Dr:Drum'n'Bass Kit 33=Dr:Acid Kit 34=Dr:Jungle Kit 35=Dr:Electric Kit 36=Dr:Human Kit 37=Dr:Hard Kit 38=Dr:Distorted Kit 39=Dr:Ambient Kit 40=Dr:Garage Kit 41=Dr:Synth Pop Kit 42=Dr:Orchestra Kit 43=Dr:Drum Machines Kit 44=Dr:Rock Multiple Kits 45=Dr:HipHop Multiple Kits 46=Dr:Percussion Kit 47=Dr:Latin Percussion Kit 48=Dr:Guitar/Bass FX Kit 49=Dr:Wacko Kit 50=Dr:Wood Bits Kit 51=Dr:Metal Bits Kit 52=Dr:Hands Kit 53=Dr:Scratches 54=Dr:Accoustic Snares 55=Dr:GroupedStereo Snares 56=Dr:All Kicks 57=Dr:Dance Kicks 58=Dr:Arabic Mixed Kit 59=Dr:Belly Dance Kit 60=Dr:Dance Snares 61=Dr:Special SFXs 62=Dr:Synthetic Kit 63=Dr:SFX Kit 64=Dr:Maple Custom Kit 65=Dr:Oak Custom Kit 66=Dr:Nu Jazzy Kit 67=Dr:Illest Hip Hop Kit 68=Dr:PercussionMaster Kit 69=Dr:Nu Orchestra Kit 70=Dr:Japan Kit 71=Dr:Turkish Kit [DR:GM] 0=Dr:Stereo GM Kit [DR:USR] 0=Dr:Maple Custom Kit 1=Dr:Oak Custom Kit 2=Dr:Nu Jazzy Kit 3=Dr:Illest Hip Hop Kit 4=Dr:PercussionMaster Kit 5=Dr:Nu Orchestra Kit 6=Dr:Japan Kit 7=Dr:Turkish Kit 8=Dr:Nu Hip Hop Kit 2 9=Dr:Hip Hop Kit 1 10=Dr:Hip Hop Kit 2 11=Dr:Hip Hop Kit 3 12=Dr:Hip Hop Kit 4 13=Dr:Hip Stick Kit 1 14=Dr:Hip Stick Kit 2 15=Dr:R&B Kit 1 16=Dr:R&B Kit 2 17=Dr:R&B Kit 3 18=Dr:Trance Kit 19=Dr:Psychedelic Kit 20=Dr:Chill Out Kit 21=Dr:Brush Kit 22=Dr:Jazz Kit 23=Dr:Pop Latin Kit 24=Dr:Analog T9 Kit 25=Dr:Analog T8 Kit 26=Dr:Tekno Kit 27=Dr:House Kit 1 28=Dr:House Kit 2 29=Dr:House Compressed Kit 30=Dr:House Kit Demo 31=Dr:Wacko Kit Demo ; ----------------------------------------------------------- .Instrument Definitions [MOXF] Patch[8064]=PRE1 Patch[8065]=PRE2 Patch[8066]=PRE3 Patch[8067]=PRE4 Patch[8068]=PRE5 Patch[8069]=PRE6 Patch[8070]=PRE7 Patch[8071]=PRE8 Patch[8072]=PRE9 Patch[0]=GM Patch[8073]=USER1 Patch[8074]=USER2 Patch[8075]=USER3 Patch[8096]=DR:PRE Patch[16256]=DR:GM Patch[8104]=DR:USR Patch[*]=1..128 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
franky46 Posted January 1, 2018 Share Posted January 1, 2018 @Nils thank you very much. Hmmm, here are some PC#s for the Atelier section. we can group them into msb-lsb banks , but the banks will not correspond to an instrument category. With all the Atelier PC# definitions, we get a total of 17 different msb-lsb pairs aka banks. is this correct? could you live with those 'wild banks' ? ====================================== # midi pc ATELIER: # PC# MSB LSB Full Organ1 00h 00h 00h Full Organ2 02h 00h 00h Full Organ3 04h 00h 00h Full Organ4 01h 00h 00h Full Organ5 03h 00h 00h Full Organ6 05h 00h 00h Full Organ7 20h 00h 00h Full Organ8 20h 01h 00h Full Organ9 20h 02h 00h ... Piano2 4Fh 00h 00h ====================================== # .ins-file: .Patch Names [bank 1] 0=Full Organ1 2=Full Organ2 4=Full Organ3 1=Full Organ4 3=Full Organ5 5=Full Organ6 32=Full Organ7 79=Piano2 ... [bank 2] 32=Full Organ8 ... [bank 3] 32=Full Organ9 .Instrument Definitions [Roland VR-AT] Patch[0]=Bank 1 Patch[1]=Bank 2 Patch[2]=Bank 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xKnuckles Posted January 1, 2018 Share Posted January 1, 2018 My goodness.....the forum is still working after that marathon post! Quote "Turn your fingers into a dust rag and keep them keys clean!" Bluzeyone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nils_O Posted January 1, 2018 Share Posted January 1, 2018 @Nils thank you very much. Hmmm, here are some PC#s for the Atelier section. we can group them into msb-lsb banks , but the banks will not correspond to an instrument category. With all the Atelier PC# definitions, we get a total of 17 different msb-lsb pairs aka banks. is this correct? could you live with those 'wild banks' ? ====================================== # midi pc ATELIER: # PC# MSB LSB Full Organ1 00h 00h 00h Full Organ2 02h 00h 00h Full Organ3 04h 00h 00h Full Organ4 01h 00h 00h Full Organ5 03h 00h 00h Full Organ6 05h 00h 00h Full Organ7 20h 00h 00h Full Organ8 20h 01h 00h Full Organ9 20h 02h 00h ... Piano2 4Fh 00h 00h ====================================== # .ins-file: .Patch Names [bank 1] 0=Full Organ1 2=Full Organ2 4=Full Organ3 1=Full Organ4 3=Full Organ5 5=Full Organ6 32=Full Organ7 79=Piano2 ... [bank 2] 32=Full Organ8 ... [bank 3] 32=Full Organ9 .Instrument Definitions [Roland VR-AT] Patch[0]=Bank 1 Patch[1]=Bank 2 Patch[2]=Bank 3 Yes, I think so. It would of course be better with grouping of sound type but frankly I can't even see how that could be done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
franky46 Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 Yes, I think so. It would of course be better with grouping of sound type but frankly I can't even see how that could be done. Hi Nils, something interesting: these is the instr. def. list for the Roland BK09, the banks do not rely to an instrument category either. Same with BK07. It's not nice but it seems to be usual Maybe there is a way to group sounds within the vArranger ...? The list for the VR will come the next days. When will you get your VR09? --- (last 2 digits is msb & lsb) [bK-9 Bank 5 ] 5 º Crystal EP 0 5 8 º BPF-Clavi Ph 0 5 99 º Music-Bells 0 5 20 º 8+4+2 Princ 0 5 23 º BluesHrp V/S 0 5 27 º JGuitar Scat 0 5 etc... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
franky46 Posted January 8, 2018 Share Posted January 8, 2018 @ Nils the Atelier ins-File: rrr.de/~franky/upload/RolandVR-Atelier.zip Could you please give feedback ? @ all: Pre-annoucment: feature update V-Combo Editor (should be available the next days): - added: selector for VR-Keyboard sounds. Nice side effect: extra VR730-voices can be accessed on a VR09 - added: Sythesizer control for the GM2-Sounds (A/D/R, cutoff, resonance) - added: "brigthness" controls for piano (general brightness and extra brightness when pressing virtual sustain-pedal) and eventually the most usefull: - added: basic registration for GM2-Sounds and Sound-Explorer: sounds 'discovered' with the direct bank selectors (msb/lsb/pc#) can now be saved to (and loaded from) registrations using a custom name. All Registrations are saved to a file and are available at next startup Actual number of registrations is 32banks x 8patches = 256 pathches (but could be increased to 128x128 patches on demand) - and it's free (vive l'internet libre!) NB: the task "rearranging the VR-Keyboard registrations" is not forgotten, I think technically it's possible using the upg-files Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WesG Posted January 8, 2018 Share Posted January 8, 2018 "NB: the task "rearranging the VR-Keyboard registrations" is not forgotten, I think technically it's possible using the upg-files" Yes, I have done that with VR09-tools. The file format is just a header followed by a bunch of registrations. Warning, the UPG file format changed in firmware 1.11. Quote Hammond: L111, M100, M3, BC, CV, Franken CV, A100, D152, C3, B3 Leslie: 710, 760, 51C, 147, 145, 122, 22H, 31H Yamaha: CP4, DGX-620, DX7II-FD-E!, PF85, DX9 Roland: VR-09, RD-800 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nils_O Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 @ Nils the Atelier ins-File: rrr.de/~franky/upload/RolandVR-Atelier.zip Could you please give feedback ? @ all: Pre-annoucment: feature update V-Combo Editor (should be available the next days): - added: selector for VR-Keyboard sounds. Nice side effect: extra VR730-voices can be accessed on a VR09 - added: Sythesizer control for the GM2-Sounds (A/D/R, cutoff, resonance) - added: "brigthness" controls for piano (general brightness and extra brightness when pressing virtual sustain-pedal) and eventually the most usefull: - added: basic registration for GM2-Sounds and Sound-Explorer: sounds 'discovered' with the direct bank selectors (msb/lsb/pc#) can now be saved to (and loaded from) registrations using a custom name. All Registrations are saved to a file and are available at next startup Actual number of registrations is 32banks x 8patches = 256 pathches (but could be increased to 128x128 patches on demand) - and it's free (vive l'internet libre!) NB: the task "rearranging the VR-Keyboard registrations" is not forgotten, I think technically it's possible using the upg-files Hi! Great Thanks I had a look. I first opened with notepad and everything was in a long row. Then opened in wordpad and it was readable. How was the number determined for 0=Drm:STANDARD etc... I was looking in midi implementation (both Atlier and VR-09) and there is says LSB 120 (CC32) MSB 0 (CC0). It also says 1 should med added to the numbers. 1=Drm:STANDARD 9=Drm:ROOM etc... So what is correct? Then 0=Prc:PERC SET 1 etc... I only find it in the Aterlier implementation and its the correct number but I don't understand how it is not in conflict 0=Org:Full Organ1 from the beginning? I haven't really hade the time to check much more yet. I noticed that it's the same voice numbers as (you could have expected) in Atliers so I guess the file should be usable for the Ateliers Organs to. My plan was a complete .ins file to be able to select all sounds both VR-09 and Ateliers. And then there a a couple of effect settings that should preferable be added. I see there a effect control in the CTRLR script. But it seems to be a lot of work to get it complete. And how effect control is added in the file I don't know. I have to read up more on how these files are done. How did you extract the vocide numbers and names? In the Atlier midi implementation I'm unfortunately not able to mark and copy so to add something from that manaul the only option seems to be to write it oneself. I haven't got the VR-09 yet. I was thinking between the VR-730 but I think it's not worth the added cost. I have however bought the VArranger. I have just made a small test yet with a sound module I have. It has actually been laying arround for a while due to to much work. I will mess arround with it a bit. I think a complete file for VR series should be a really great thing. Actally I don't know if a GM2 set is needed in the .ins file for VArranger. The number should be standard I guess. Have to check it. Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
franky46 Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 ... Hi Nils, thank you very much for giving feedback !I hop this will answer your questions: > I first opened with notepad and everything was in a long row. Then opened in wordpad and it was readable I'll change this (this is due to the use of unix tools) > It also says 1 should med added to the numbers. subtile difference between program change address (PC) and program change number (PC#), example Pop Kit 4: PC# MSB LSB 4(03h) 1(01h) 0(00h) when you compare the digital and the hex number (h like hex) of the PC# value, you see that "digital" = "hex + 1" <=> 4 = 03h+1. The digital number represents the program change _number_, a kind of 'index' or id. The hex number represents the program change _address_, e.g. the real midi address. E.g. program change number (or short 'program change') "6" has the address "5" etc. Program change numbers go from 1 to 128 Program change addresses go from 0 to 127 As I learned from your example, .ins file is using the range 0..127 thus the _address_ (which equals the number minus 1) The values in the Atelier.ins file should be correct. > 0=Drm:STANDARD etc... [...] and there is says LSB 120 (CC32) MSB 0 (CC0). Atelier organs have 3 'midi interfaces': The instrument-dependent Atelier (AT) sounds and the machine-independent standards General-Midi-2 (GM2) and GS (Roland standard): Example : "STANDARD-2" drum kit : pay attention on the order of the LSB/MSB/PC/PC# numbers: 1. AT: PC MSB LSB = 00h 00h 40h 2. GM2: MSB LSB PC# = 0 120 1 3. GS: MSB LSB PC# = 0 64 1 with 40H = 64 and PC#=1 == PC=0 you see that AT is the same as GS. When you wrote "LSB 120 (CC32) MSB 0 (CC0)" then its a typo for sure, it should mean "MSB 120 (CC0) LSB 0 (CC32)" and this is the GM2-interface. In our case, the .ins file addresses the machine dependent "AT" sounds. > but I don't understand how it is not in conflict > 0=Org:Full Organ1 from the beginning? Wow, I was not aware of this, this is a big issue as the V-Combo Editor uses the same midi values. I tested the V-Editor 'ATELIER' section drums and indeed, the selection of any drumit loads an instrument sound (organ, strings...) It seems that Atelier Organs use a special addressing of their drum kit generators. I'll try to find out the trick (though the Atelier world seems hermetically closed for outsiders...) > In the Atlier midi implementation I'm unfortunately not able to mark and copy oh yeah use a pdf-Reader like Sumatra PDF (fast and extremly lightweight) or Foxit I copy-paste the sound midi tables to a text file and use unix (shell) scripts to process the file If you need mass processing of data, just ask me. > I haven't got the VR-09 yet. I was thinking between the VR-730 but I think it's not worth the added cost. It's all about the keybed. If it's the same bed as in the VR700/730 Roland this can be a game changer. If you go for the VR09 you can save money by getting an end of stock VR09 without 'b' and do the firmware upgrade. > I think a complete file for VR series should be a really great thing. don't worry, we'll get this thing working f Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
franky46 Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 Warning, the UPG file format changed in firmware 1.11. thanks a lot for pointing this out, Wes! found an additional 20 byte array (expr. pedal?) in the header of each registration patch. obviously there is byte giving the header length (80 for the old, 100 since v.1.11/13), so we can make this compatible Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
franky46 Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 I only find it in the Aterlier implementation and its the correct number but I don't understand how it is not in conflict 0=Org:Full Organ1 from the beginning? found the thinking error, sorry, totally ignored the VR-drum section. Yet another thing to implement to explain: if you send progam changes (sound patterns) to the VR for the VR-inherent sounds, you use SysEx messages (different from addressing GM2-sounds using dedicated midi channels). That's what the panel does and also VArranger has to do. To load the sound to a dedicated 'voice' (upper manual, lower manual, dual etc) a special SysEx prefix is used: F0 41 10 62 12 01 01 ..... Upper Manual "VCE-voice" F0 41 10 62 12 01 03 ..... Upper Manual "SYN-voice" etc and there is one particular voice only for drums: F0 41 10 62 12 01 41 01 ...... this solves the problem of redundancy / conflicts: here's a new file for you where 'Drums' is an 'instrument' by itself : http://rrr.de/~franky/upload/RolandVR09Atelier.zip Frank Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nadroj Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 Question re the editor app. I see the app essentially gives you access to the SN synth. Could someone use it to create a 3 part synth sound (3 partials) then save the sound to the VR to be used without the iPad? Quote Hammond SKX Mainstage 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
franky46 Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 V-Combo Editor v1.12(3) : http://ctrlr.org/roland-vr09-vr730-v-combo-editor/ Pre-annoucment: feature update V-Combo Editor (should be available the next days): - added: selector for VR-Keyboard sounds. Nice side effect: extra VR730-voices can be accessed on a VR09 - added: Sythesizer control for the GM2-Sounds (A/D/R, cutoff, resonance) - added: "brigthness" controls for piano (general brightness and extra brightness when pressing virtual sustain-pedal) and eventually the most usefull: - added: basic registration for GM2-Sounds and Sound-Explorer: sounds 'discovered' with the direct bank selectors (msb/lsb/pc#) can now be saved to (and loaded from) registrations using a custom name. All Registrations are saved to a file and are available at next startup Actual number of registrations is 32banks x 8patches = 256 pathches (but could be increased to 128x128 patches on demand) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EscapeRocks Posted January 13, 2018 Share Posted January 13, 2018 Hey all. I am new to the ctrlr stuff. I downloaded the .dmg to my Macbook Pro, and then downloaded frank46 excellent editor. It works great on my Mac! So much easier than using my iPad with CCK. Here's a screenshot: Quote David Gig Rig:Depends on the day Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
franky46 Posted January 13, 2018 Share Posted January 13, 2018 Hey all. I am new to the ctrlr stuff. I downloaded the .dmg to my Macbook Pro, and then downloaded frank46 excellent editor. It works great on my Mac! So much easier than using my iPad with CCK. hi, there's a fast fix for the cutted off panel workspace, please repeat the download of v1.12.3. We have no possibility at home to test the panel on IOS: is the register save/load in SoundExplorer/GM2 working and is the file correctly saved (Documents-folder)? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EscapeRocks Posted January 13, 2018 Share Posted January 13, 2018 Hey all. I am new to the ctrlr stuff. I downloaded the .dmg to my Macbook Pro, and then downloaded frank46 excellent editor. It works great on my Mac! So much easier than using my iPad with CCK. hi, there's a fast fix for the cutted off panel workspace, please repeat the download of v1.12.3. We have no possibility at home to test the panel on IOS: is the register save/load in SoundExplorer/GM2 working and is the file correctly saved (Documents-folder)? I haven't tested it that far yet. I will let you know Quote David Gig Rig:Depends on the day Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EscapeRocks Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 hi, We have no possibility at home to test the panel on IOS: is the register save/load in SoundExplorer/GM2 working and is the file correctly saved (Documents-folder)? Yes, this works! Quote David Gig Rig:Depends on the day Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EscapeRocks Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 Hey all. A little help from the experts. I am teaching myself how to decipher Sysex based on the implementation chart for the VR09, especially as it applies to the Registrations. The following is what I get when I select Reg Bank 1-1 "Long Division" Roland 13 bytes F0 41 10 62 12 01 02 01 59 01 00 22 F7 JP8 Brass lower part Roland 11 bytes F0 41 10 62 12 01 02 65 01 17 F7 Roland 11 bytes F0 41 10 62 12 01 02 00 00 7D F7 Roland 13 bytes F0 41 10 62 12 01 03 01 2C 0D 00 42 F7 Syn Strings1 upper part Roland 11 bytes F0 41 10 62 12 01 03 65 01 16 F7 Roland 11 bytes F0 41 10 62 12 01 03 00 00 7C F7 I put the tone name to the right. After the first 5 of 13 bytes; I believe this shows the address with offset, then the PC, MSB, LSB. That's why the JP8 Brass, in this case, is the lower part (offset 2). Am I right so far? Can I use the info to send the VR09 a sysex command to call up a registration? I am able to send Sysex. I am still figuring out what the associated 11byte lines define for the tones. Thank in advance. Quote David Gig Rig:Depends on the day Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
franky46 Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 *edit* aaaah, I hate this f***ing auto formatting forums ... I'my sorry you have to 'imagine' the '....' are spaces. [font:Courier New]Hey all. Hi, first of all thanks for checking the McOS folder path > That's why the JP8 Brass, in this case, is the lower part (offset 2). 02 is not the lower part, it's the upper part "no. 2". Let's break it up: F0 41 10 62 12 01 02 01 59 01 00 22 F7 => F0 41 10 62 12..: prefix (sysex start byte, sound engine ID ...) 01 02...........: midi manual p 11 "offset": 01 02 00 | Upper Part Information (SYNTH DUAL2) 01..............: midi manual p11 "upper part information": 00 01 | 0aaa aaaa | TONE NUMBER [you take only the 2nd byte] 59 01 00........: pc, msb, lsb 22..............: roland checksum F7..............: sysex end byte you must regard the offsets as a "classical summation" | 01 02 00 | Upper Part Information (SYNTH DUAL2) |........<= section 'Start' | .. 00 01 | 0aaa aaaa | TONE NUMBER.......................<= section "upper part information" ------------ | 02 02 01 | ......... <= "sum" > Can I use the info to send the VR09 a sysex command to call up a registration? If you mean the 25x4 "registration sets": no, unless there is an undocumented thus unkown sysex, it's not possible (something critisised on the VR09). You can only load individual 'sound' patches , e.g. like the editor app does > I am still figuring out what the associated 11byte lines define for the tones e.g.: F0 41 10 62 12 01 02 65 01 17 F7 => F0 41 10 62 12....: prefix 01 02.............: midi manual p 11: 01 02 00 | Upper Part Information (SYNTH DUAL2) 65 01.............: undocumented. Guess 65 references the size in bytes of the whole section "Upper Part Information". You can use this number when requesting a sysex dumb 17 F7.............: checksum + sysex end now you should be able to identify the other sysex f[/font] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
franky46 Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 V-Combo Editor Update v1.12.4: + : upg-Registration-Editor: the VR registrations can now be edited using the the upg-files (the files where reg. sets are saved to and load from usb dongle). Registrations can be ordered, renamed, copied and merged with other sets. + VR DRUM section added + improved working area (e.g. indication of sound names in the voice selectors) + improved feedback from VR. + many Bugfixes download: http://ctrlr.org/roland-vr09-vr730-v-combo-editor video tutorial: [video:youtube] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WesG Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 Nicely done, Franky! Quote Hammond: L111, M100, M3, BC, CV, Franken CV, A100, D152, C3, B3 Leslie: 710, 760, 51C, 147, 145, 122, 22H, 31H Yamaha: CP4, DGX-620, DX7II-FD-E!, PF85, DX9 Roland: VR-09, RD-800 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnotherScott Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 V-Combo Editor Update v1.12.4: + : upg-Registration-Editor: the VR registrations can now be edited using the the upg-files (the files where reg. sets are saved to and load from usb dongle). Registrations can be ordered, renamed, copied and merged with other sets. Can registrations be selected in real time from the iPad screen, i.e. to change sounds mid-song? Quote Maybe this is the best place for a shameless plug! Our now not-so-new new video at https://youtu.be/3ZRC3b4p4EI is a 40 minute adaptation of T. S. Eliot's "Prufrock" - check it out! And hopefully I'll have something new here this year. ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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