K K Posted January 16, 2007 Share Posted January 16, 2007 Delirium, I write OK stuff once every 100 messages and nonsense stuff for the remaining. So since it was my 1800th message, it's impossible that I was wrong. Anyone can tell what's the sheep chord? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delirium Posted January 16, 2007 Share Posted January 16, 2007 Originally posted by kad: Originally posted by delirium: I haven't heard that either, B flat minor would be more likely. B minor is not sad at all. Bb minor is sad - B minor is just disapointed. ♫♫♫ motif XS6, RD700GX Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jazzwee Posted January 16, 2007 Share Posted January 16, 2007 Originally posted by Cydonia: Delirium, I write OK stuff once every 100 messages and nonsense stuff for the remaining. So since it was my 1800th message, it's impossible that I was wrong. Anyone can tell what's the sheep chord? I'm with you on this Cydonia. I saw another debate of this topic but to me (a non-perfect pitch kind of fellow), I don't attribute moods to keys. Hamburg Steinway O, Crumar Mojo, Nord Electro 4 HP 73, EV ZXA1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K K Posted January 16, 2007 Share Posted January 16, 2007 Originally posted by Jazzwee: I don't attribute moods to keys. It's because you use equal temp. I thought your digital Yamaha 90 had alternative tunings... Ever tried them? That's an interesting thing to do. Hey, this gives me an idea for a band's name : The Moody Keys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delirium Posted January 16, 2007 Share Posted January 16, 2007 Originally posted by Cydonia: Anyone can tell what's the sheep chord? the one that come from the herd scale: herd scale ♫♫♫ motif XS6, RD700GX Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legatoboy Posted January 16, 2007 Share Posted January 16, 2007 What do you think is the most feminine yet pornographic key! "Thats what I'm talking about" ! (maybe I should stick my tongue in my mouth for this one!) lb CP-50, YC 73, FP-80, PX5-S, NE-5d61, Kurzweil SP6, XK-3, CX-3, Hammond XK-3, Yamaha YUX Upright, '66 B3/Leslie 145/122 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delirium Posted January 16, 2007 Share Posted January 16, 2007 Originally posted by Jazzwee: I don't attribute moods to keys. [/QB]that's a little shocking to me I must say. For me it would be like loosing one dimension of music perception. Do you guys only hear frequency change and nothing more? Youre not robots, Im sure you can hear more ♫♫♫ motif XS6, RD700GX Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delirium Posted January 16, 2007 Share Posted January 16, 2007 Originally posted by Legatoboy: What do you think is the most feminine yet pornographic key! "Thats what I'm talking about" ! (maybe I should stick my tongue in my mouth for this one!) lb that would be the C with triple X... something like C### http://pic.piczo.com/img/i46067484_47669_3.jpg ♫♫♫ motif XS6, RD700GX Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobadohshe Posted January 16, 2007 Share Posted January 16, 2007 Originally posted by Legatoboy: What do you think is the most feminine yet pornographic key! "Thats what I'm talking about" ! (maybe I should stick my tongue in my mouth for this one!) lb F# Major. A hot girl I knew who has perfect pitch (what a combination!) once described F# as the hotpink of keys. Kawai C-60 Grand Piano : Hammond A-100 : Hammond SK2 : Yamaha CP4 : Yamaha Montage 7 : Moog Sub 37 My latest album: Funky organ, huge horn section https://bobbycressey.bandcamp.com/album/cali-native Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delirium Posted January 16, 2007 Share Posted January 16, 2007 Originally posted by Bobadohshe: F# Major. A hot girl I knew who has perfect pitch (what a combination!) once described F# as the hotpink of keys. [/QB]That can be very true, since F# is very vibrant tone...no wonder girls like it, if you know what I mean So we know already in which key to hum when we want pull the chick ♫♫♫ motif XS6, RD700GX Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jazzwee Posted January 16, 2007 Share Posted January 16, 2007 Originally posted by delirium: Originally posted by Jazzwee: I don't attribute moods to keys. that's a little shocking to me I must say. For me it would be like loosing one dimension of music perception. Do you guys only hear frequency change and nothing more? Youre not robots, Im sure you can hear more [/QB]Ever heard of a transpose key Delirium? Play the same stuff. Transpose it on your keyboard. Does it really "sound" different other than the key? Or are we talking only acoustic here? I do admit that the length of the strings of a real piano impart a different character. But I don't think this translates to a keyboard. But you know me, I'm scientific. I lack feelings Hamburg Steinway O, Crumar Mojo, Nord Electro 4 HP 73, EV ZXA1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legatoboy Posted January 16, 2007 Share Posted January 16, 2007 Bobadohshe,Delirium, Like C Triple X. . . .Del, were you thinking of cupsize also in regards to this! Bob, You wouldn't happen to have her phone number lying around anywhere would you! I need a woman who truly reponds to music and thinks likes that! Someone who would make me want to play my Orgasmitron all day! 'HotPink of keys', My god, it's so Stimpyfyingly perfect! Oh joy! lb CP-50, YC 73, FP-80, PX5-S, NE-5d61, Kurzweil SP6, XK-3, CX-3, Hammond XK-3, Yamaha YUX Upright, '66 B3/Leslie 145/122 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delirium Posted January 16, 2007 Share Posted January 16, 2007 Originally posted by Jazzwee: Ever heard of a transpose key Delirium? Play the same stuff. Transpose it on your keyboard. Does it really "sound" different other than the key? Or are we talking only acoustic here? Transpose doesn't do anything with the sound just assigns diiferent key to it. F# is still there the same, doesn't matter it is assigned to e.g. E key. I do admit that the length of the strings of a real piano impart a different character. But I don't think this translates to a keyboard. I agree, with keayboards many nuances are lost or harder to recognise (but they are still there), that's why I didn't like them much until I found S90ES. But you know me, I'm scientific. I lack feelings come on, we know one have nothing to do with the other http://www.pd.infn.it/~loreti/images/einstein-tongue.jpg ♫♫♫ motif XS6, RD700GX Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legatoboy Posted January 16, 2007 Share Posted January 16, 2007 Put that tongue back in your head Albert and get somebody to do the math for your crrazy ideas smarty! "I'm talkin to Albert here, I'm talkin to Albert here. . .!" Albert be the Dude! lb CP-50, YC 73, FP-80, PX5-S, NE-5d61, Kurzweil SP6, XK-3, CX-3, Hammond XK-3, Yamaha YUX Upright, '66 B3/Leslie 145/122 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Horne Posted January 16, 2007 Share Posted January 16, 2007 I don't have a personal favorite key to play in, but some songs will sound better in a particular key. They might sound better but it has nothing to do with the key per se, only the best sounding range of tones on the piano. No guitarists were harmed during the making of this message. In general, harmonic complexity is inversely proportional to the ratio between chording and non-chording instruments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandy Hemenway Posted January 16, 2007 Share Posted January 16, 2007 I tend to migrate my fav key from time to time. At one time Db was primo, or Eb. Today, I've migrated back to 'guitar' keys, (A, E, D). My LEAST favorite key is Cb. It seems every other piece I'm handed at choir practice recently has a modulation into Cb. No, they couldn't go for B, same notes, easier to read - they had to stick with "proper" notation rules and give me a mental hernia. http://www.myspace.com/sandyhemenwaymusic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burningbusch Posted January 16, 2007 Share Posted January 16, 2007 An analog synth is able to change pitch continuously from 20Hz to 20,000Hz. Am I supposed to believe that as it reaches certain defined frequencies people experience different emotions? What a load of crap. If I play a major triad and you're incapable of telling me that it's F , F# or G, but when you play the keyboard in F# it's happy and G is sad (or some other nonsense) that again is crap. If these really do have such qualities, they should jump out at you away from the keyboard, instantly and consistently. This is not the same as people who do possess perfect pitch and associate pitches with colors or some other qualities. They CAN do it instantly and consistently. Most modern keyboards do offer experiences beyond an acoustic piano in the area of alternative tunings. These can lead to some ear-opening adventures if you're brave enough. The piano string that produces a G is the same string that produces a G#. It just has a bit more tension on the right side of the peg vs. the left. That's it. Busch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jazzwee Posted January 16, 2007 Share Posted January 16, 2007 Originally posted by burningbusch: An analog synth is able to change pitch continuously from 20Hz to 20,000Hz. Am I supposed to believe that as it reaches certain defined frequencies people experience different emotions? What a load of crap. If I play a major triad and you're incapable of telling me that it's F , F# or G, but when you play the keyboard in F# it's happy and G is sad (or some other nonsense) that again is crap. If these really do have such qualities, they should jump out at you away from the keyboard, instantly and consistently. This is not the same as people who do possess perfect pitch and associate pitches with colors or some other qualities. They CAN do it instantly and consistently. Most modern keyboards do offer experiences beyond an acoustic piano in the area of alternative tunings. These can lead to some ear-opening adventures if you're brave enough. The piano string that produces a G is the same string that produces a G#. It just has a bit more tension on the right side of the peg vs. the left. That's it. Busch. +1. Thank you. I was incapable of wording it so strongly however. Hamburg Steinway O, Crumar Mojo, Nord Electro 4 HP 73, EV ZXA1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpaceNorman Posted January 16, 2007 Share Posted January 16, 2007 Left to my own devices it's typically C (aka "The key of the people"), G (aka "almost the key of the people") or Eb. I'm happy to play in whatever key the vocalist can sing it in (even if it's the WAY wrong key for the song! 'cause there ain't nother wronger than a vocalist cracking and croaking along in a key they can't handle!) The SpaceNorman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpaceNorman Posted January 16, 2007 Share Posted January 16, 2007 ...and as a follow-on comment... I'm not too embarassed to admit that I occasionally use the "keyboard capo" (aka transpose button) when I'm not comfortable in nominal key - or if I find myself struggling to unlearn old habits (new band plays it in Bb while last band plays it in G, etc.) The SpaceNorman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gismo Recording Posted January 16, 2007 Share Posted January 16, 2007 Originally posted by SpaceNorman: Left to my own devices it's typically C (aka "The key of the people"), G (aka "almost the key of the people") or Eb. Wouldn't G be the key of the people. I'll bet if you were to collect all the folk songs you'd find more are in G than any other key. Ken Denny Gismo Recording So Cliché Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delirium Posted January 16, 2007 Share Posted January 16, 2007 Originally posted by burningbusch: An analog synth is able to change pitch continuously from 20Hz to 20,000Hz. Am I supposed to believe that as it reaches certain defined frequencies people experience different emotions? What a load of crap. so if you don't understand something, it is a crap for you? well, I don't care if you you believe it or not, but that explains why some people's music sounds as it sounds. ♫♫♫ motif XS6, RD700GX Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jazzwee Posted January 16, 2007 Share Posted January 16, 2007 Do you have perfect pitch Delirium? People with perfect pitch have a fixed image of every tone. If you have PP, I think Busch specifically excluded that subgroup. Hamburg Steinway O, Crumar Mojo, Nord Electro 4 HP 73, EV ZXA1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burningbusch Posted January 17, 2007 Share Posted January 17, 2007 I have to discount those who claim keys have a particular mood, if they are unable to identify the mood when they don't know the key of the passage or are not in front of a keyboard. It seems at that point to be psychosomatic. Maybe the white keys are teeth and present a smile or frown based on fingering? To those who claim to see music as color, I am open to this because of the fact that both colors and sound are vibrations and the association makes some sense. I wonder if these people see the same colors? I've never heard that they do. But jumping from this to finding relationships between frequencies and human emotions, sorry I'm not buying it. Is there unanimity among perfect pitchers as to the keys and the exact human emotion they evoke? If not (and I've never heard that there is), then these are simply placeholders but they mean nothing, looking at it objectively. There are lots of things that are fun to believe in. Busch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K K Posted January 17, 2007 Share Posted January 17, 2007 Just to correct a few misconceptions here : One doesn't need to have perfect/absolute pitch to hear or associate colors to notes. Likewise, to have absolute pitch doesn't mean one automatically associate colors to notes either. Like it or not, see this as BS if you want, Skriabin didn't have absolute pitch and associated colors to notes. You also have different views on the same subject from Rimski-Korsakov, Debussy, etc. Even Fourier had a theory on this. So anyway, back to your normal programmation : your favorite key. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kad Posted January 17, 2007 Share Posted January 17, 2007 I wonder if at a subconscious level, people associate a given key with a piece of music in that key, and ascribe to the key itself the emotions evoked by the music?? Just to state the obvious - I was joking in my earlier posts about personalities versus keys. I do not associate keys or notes with particular emotions or colors (and I have perfect pitch ). Chopin's Prelude #4 and Steppenwolf's "Born To Be Wild" are both in E minor. I don't think anyone would say these two pieces "feel" the same. That said, transposing a song definitely does change its feel for me. I don't mean it changes the song from "magenta" to "orange", I mean it just feels.... "different". That's why I'm so slavish about sticking to the original key in my cover band. This drives my bandmates nuts since a transposition of a half step down can make world of difference vocally. Reality is like the sun - you can block it out for a time but it ain't goin' away... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jazzwee Posted January 17, 2007 Share Posted January 17, 2007 Originally posted by kad: This drives my bandmates nuts since a transposition of a half step down can make world of difference vocally. Well of course it's a different issue if you're matching it to vocals. I think mine and Busch's and Cydonia's comments on Key = Mood is specific to instrumental music. Obviously there is different fingering for different keys and I don't play the same solos in different keys. But if you transposed the board, I'd just play the exact same things. Transposing the music does not make me feel different about it. Except of course that big moves will alter the register and thus will change the tone and my fingering choices. Heck...most jazz music changes keys so many times that I'm sure I would have cycled through the circle of fifths anyway so, do I lose "mood" at certain sections? Never noticed anything myself. Hamburg Steinway O, Crumar Mojo, Nord Electro 4 HP 73, EV ZXA1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobadohshe Posted January 17, 2007 Share Posted January 17, 2007 Originally posted by Legatoboy: Bob, You wouldn't happen to have her phone number lying around anywhere would you! I need a woman who truly reponds to music and thinks likes that! Someone who would make me want to play my Orgasmitron all day! 'HotPink of keys', My god, it's so Stimpyfyingly perfect! Oh joy! lb I went to college with her and I'll be damned if I don't regret not getting into a relationship with her at the time. Who says things like hot pink of keys?! She is married now and lives in Texas. http://www.ritts.org/misc/bobbo/Lane.bmp Kawai C-60 Grand Piano : Hammond A-100 : Hammond SK2 : Yamaha CP4 : Yamaha Montage 7 : Moog Sub 37 My latest album: Funky organ, huge horn section https://bobbycressey.bandcamp.com/album/cali-native Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Horne Posted January 17, 2007 Share Posted January 17, 2007 When I know ahead of time that I will be paid in cash most of the keys have a much happier feel about them. No guitarists were harmed during the making of this message. In general, harmonic complexity is inversely proportional to the ratio between chording and non-chording instruments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kad Posted January 17, 2007 Share Posted January 17, 2007 Originally posted by Bobadohshe: I went to college with her and I'll be damned if I don't regret not getting into a relationship with her at the time. Who says things like hot pink of keys?! She is married now and lives in Texas. http://www.ritts.org/misc/bobbo/Lane.bmp If that picture is her, yea - that's gotta hurt!!! Reality is like the sun - you can block it out for a time but it ain't goin' away... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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