David R Posted December 7, 2006 Share Posted December 7, 2006 Some of the comments made in the Real Book thread, as well as going through my college radio station's library last night, got me on this line of thinking. I love the Ella Fitzgerald and Louis Armstrong records. Some of the songs which look unbearably cheesy on paper are delivered into hipness by two of the greatest phrasings of all time. The rhythm section of OP, Ray Brown and Buddy Rich isn't bad, either. And while I'd love to have OP's technique (even post-stroke), I don't really have any desire to play in that style. Conversely, I'm in a group now that plays exclusively original compositions, mostly by the drummer but it's open to anybody in the band. It's sort of a Zorn/Zappa/Mike Patton type deal. I love playing this music - it's really challenging mentally and physically - but I rarely listen to music similar to it. Has anybody else experienced this dichotomy? David My Site Nord Electro 5D, Novation Launchkey 61, Logic Pro X, Mainstage 3, lots of plugins, fingers, pencil, paper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delirium Posted December 7, 2006 Share Posted December 7, 2006 Actually this is pretty common thing. Listening only to what you play would be very boring. E.g I listen to all kind of music but play mainly jazz and classic. I love listen to Buddy Rich solos, but no way I could mimic this on piano When you listen to "other" music you develop your musical mind for your own playing. Buddy Rich solo ♫♫♫ motif XS6, RD700GX Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sven Golly Posted December 7, 2006 Share Posted December 7, 2006 Originally posted by David R: It's sort of a Zorn/Zappa/Mike Patton type deal.Damn... is this the band you played with at Tranzac recently? If so, I'm doubly sorry I couldn't make the gig! Sorry to veer OT for a second... just had to put that out there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProfD Posted December 7, 2006 Share Posted December 7, 2006 I agree, that dichotomy is probably more common than not among musicians. In addition to various styles of music, I enjoy listening to other instrumentalists too. Guess that explains my left-hand phrasing preference. Makes them jealous but I love their parts. PD "The greatest thing you'll ever learn, is just to love and be loved in return."--E. Ahbez "Nature Boy" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dementedchord Posted December 7, 2006 Share Posted December 7, 2006 curious.... i wonder though if it's more prevelent in keyboardists though??? seems "shredders" for instance rarely stray from the comfort zone... "style is determined not by what you can play but what you cant...." dave brubeck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soundscape Posted December 7, 2006 Share Posted December 7, 2006 With the talk about "what I want to play" vs. what the audience likes to hear, I think it's been a frequent theme on this board recently. I don't have this problem, exactly, though--to me the aim is to play just what's needed and nothing less or more--so playing more is dissatisfying and a failure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soundscape Posted December 7, 2006 Share Posted December 7, 2006 In images... http://images.worldofstock.com/slides/APA1034.jpg =hideous mess Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProfD Posted December 7, 2006 Share Posted December 7, 2006 Originally posted by dementedchord: seems "shredders" for instance rarely stray from the comfort zone... It is harder to stray when the brain is already fried. PD "The greatest thing you'll ever learn, is just to love and be loved in return."--E. Ahbez "Nature Boy" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griffinator Posted December 7, 2006 Share Posted December 7, 2006 I'm no shredder, but my taste in music is all over the map. Actually really beneficial to my approach to writing within what many classify as a "narrow" genre... A bunch of loud, obnoxious music I USED to make with friends. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soundscape Posted December 7, 2006 Share Posted December 7, 2006 Originally posted by Griffinator: I'm no shredder, but my taste in music is all over the map. Actually really beneficial to my approach to writing within what many classify as a "narrow" genre... Well, all genres "borrow" from others, don't they? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David R Posted December 7, 2006 Author Share Posted December 7, 2006 Originally posted by Sven Golly: Originally posted by David R: It's sort of a Zorn/Zappa/Mike Patton type deal.Damn... is this the band you played with at Tranzac recently? If so, I'm doubly sorry I couldn't make the gig! Sorry to veer OT for a second... just had to put that out there. No, no - I was playing my jazz music at Tranzac with two friends and great musicians. The band you've quoted is still in its infancy - the compositions are quite demanding, so they've only done one gig (before I joined the fray). You can check out some of the stuff at Myspace.com/KidsEatCrayons (recordings are with the old keyboard player). [/end plug] David My Site Nord Electro 5D, Novation Launchkey 61, Logic Pro X, Mainstage 3, lots of plugins, fingers, pencil, paper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dp2 Posted December 8, 2006 Share Posted December 8, 2006 Originally posted by dementedchord: curious.... i wonder though if it's more prevelent in keyboardists though??? seems "shredders" for instance rarely stray from the comfort zone... Not true. I can attest that lots of horn players listen to lots of keyboardists, drummers, and bassists. I knew several "shredders" who drew some of their inspiration from classical, and I knew others who drew some of their inspiration from other stuff (like jazz, gospel, country, etc). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Pierce Posted December 8, 2006 Share Posted December 8, 2006 Definitely true for me. Especially with rock 'n roll -- I've gotten pretty burnt out on playing pure rock music, but I still enjoy listening to it. Not all the time or anything, but the "classic rock" stations are on my radio presets in the car. --Dave Make my funk the P-funk. I wants to get funked up. My Funk/Jam originals project: http://www.thefunkery.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bridog6996 Posted December 8, 2006 Share Posted December 8, 2006 Originally posted by David R: Originally posted by Sven Golly: Originally posted by David R: It's sort of a Zorn/Zappa/Mike Patton type deal.Damn... is this the band you played with at Tranzac recently? If so, I'm doubly sorry I couldn't make the gig! Sorry to veer OT for a second... just had to put that out there. No, no - I was playing my jazz music at Tranzac with two friends and great musicians. The band you've quoted is still in its infancy - the compositions are quite demanding, so they've only done one gig (before I joined the fray). You can check out some of the stuff at Myspace.com/KidsEatCrayons (recordings are with the old keyboard player). [/end plug] David Actually, to me it sounds more like System of a Down meets Ben Folds, with jazz horns. Pretty cool stuff. I can see what you mean, though. I can imagine that it would be really fun and interesting to play that kind of music. As for listening, I probably would listen to it only once in a while when the mood stikes. No offense intended there. I dug the music, but it likely wouldn't be in heavy rotation on my Ipod. Actually, I think music such as that deserves to be seen live. That kind of energy sometimes doesn't translate as well to a studio recording. I would definitely go check out that group live. My YouTube Channel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sven Golly Posted December 8, 2006 Share Posted December 8, 2006 Originally posted by David R: No, no - I was playing my jazz music at Tranzac with two friends and great musicians. Oh, well... I still wish I'd been able to make that gig. You can check out some of the stuff at Myspace.com/KidsEatCrayons (recordings are with the old keyboard player). [/end plug] Coooooooooooooool.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soundscape Posted December 8, 2006 Share Posted December 8, 2006 Originally posted by Sven Golly: Something tells me Soundscape won't like the tunes, though... LOL. They're uhm... beautiful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil W Posted December 8, 2006 Share Posted December 8, 2006 I'll check later - no access to MySpace here. I usually find that whatever style I'm gigging a lot with - I tend to listen less to that style. When I was in a fusion band I listened to more acoustic jazz and African music; when playing straightahead jazz I'd listen to more funk and fusion; when playing mostly rock, I've not wanted to listen to it. I guess we crave a balance of styles of music - or at least I do. http://philwbass.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Iverson Posted December 13, 2006 Share Posted December 13, 2006 Well, it's true in my current case, playing Christian music in churches. I love the people dearly, and don't actually DISLIKE the tunes, but I never listen to any of it at home! (Unless I need to figure out the chords or something.) (Great audiences, though!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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