cnegrad Posted November 20, 2006 Share Posted November 20, 2006 I like beer! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gangsu Posted November 20, 2006 Share Posted November 20, 2006 Bananas make me nervous. "........! Try to make It..REAL! compared to what? ! ! ! " - BOPBEEPER Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cnegrad Posted November 20, 2006 Share Posted November 20, 2006 Do sheep like beer and bananas? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BluesKeys Posted November 20, 2006 Share Posted November 20, 2006 Originally posted by cnegrad: I like beer! As a beer snob I agree. OT... Which Blood Sweat and Tears is the favorite? The one Al Cooper envisioned and created for the first album? The blues band with a kick ass horn section? He had worked with Paul Butterfield and wanted to take it a step further. Or the Horn band that pumped out all the hits that no doubt were fun and memorable tunes after they booted Al, the founding member? Maybe this should be a poll. I was never a fan of the Doors but they do lay a fabric into our lives or at least those of us from the 60's and 70's. They were a back drop for the drug culture and all the bands that fit that era. They certainly had an impact on the public and if it was simple music, well then, so be it. I read somewhere that all musicians have the same notes to deal with and play. The difference between the wanna be's and the real players is the space they leave between the notes. Sounds to me like simple is better? KISS method works for me. Jimmy Those are my principles, and if you don't like them... well, I have others. Groucho NEW BAND CHECK THEM OUT www.steveowensandsummertime.com www.jimmyweaver.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ITGITC Posted November 20, 2006 Share Posted November 20, 2006 Originally posted by gangsu: Bananas make me nervous. Originally posted by cnegrad: Do sheep like beer and bananas? OK. I get it. A house doesn't have to fall on me. "Music expresses that which cannot be put into words and that which cannot remain silent." - Victor Hugo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cnegrad Posted November 20, 2006 Share Posted November 20, 2006 ....and a Happy Thanksgiving to all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gangsu Posted November 20, 2006 Share Posted November 20, 2006 Originally posted by Is There Gas in the Car?: OK. I get it. A house doesn't have to fall on me. redefining the 2-pt invention "........! Try to make It..REAL! compared to what? ! ! ! " - BOPBEEPER Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burningbusch Posted November 20, 2006 Author Share Posted November 20, 2006 I just like to see it when one of my threads hits multiple pages eventhough, no surprise, it's way off topic. So don't be alramed if you see some bumps. Busch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burningbusch Posted November 20, 2006 Author Share Posted November 20, 2006 bump 1. Busch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burningbusch Posted November 20, 2006 Author Share Posted November 20, 2006 You'd think one more would do it. Let's see. Busch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burningbusch Posted November 20, 2006 Author Share Posted November 20, 2006 Come on. Busch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gangsu Posted November 20, 2006 Share Posted November 20, 2006 bump 2. I did mean to say reharmonizing the 2-part invention. "........! Try to make It..REAL! compared to what? ! ! ! " - BOPBEEPER Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burningbusch Posted November 20, 2006 Author Share Posted November 20, 2006 There we are. Much better. Busch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Clancy Posted November 20, 2006 Share Posted November 20, 2006 Great thread. Im not going to get into the like it/dont like it arguement im just going to explain a few reasons why I love the doors.... Saturday night I played in a blues bar in Kilkenny to around 300 people. With this band I do two doors numbers, the first was "riders on the storm". I had the entire bar at my fingertips, a 10 minute rhodes solo to myself and rapterous applause at the end. When we played the opening bars of "break on through" the place errupted into a dancing and jumping frenzy, I could even see the owner of the bar going mad behind the counter!! A lot of the popular doors songs were simple, easy to get and had a grab you by the balls and pay attention feel to them, they're just good blues rock songs in my opinion and even people not deeply into music can recognise them. Ive also just finished "light my fire" Ray Manzereks book about the doors and their experiances. Jim was a drug/drink fuelled madman that lost his life to drink in the end but came out with some great poetic takes on life and a 60s inspired desire to be free, not succomb to the irrelevance in the scale of things of every day life and I think their music meant a lot to a lot of people at the time and still today. Great band, some great mainstream blues rock songs and a huge collection of unknown besides and album tracks that never got airplay but are classics in my book. Love street, spanish caravan, moonlight drive and many more. I think they were one of the first real prog bands as well... The Big Spoon-Irish Funky Soul www.bigspoon.ie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrafon Posted November 20, 2006 Share Posted November 20, 2006 Everyone can have their opinions, but, my overwhelming experience is....break out a Doors tune at a bar....get a great response. There is WAY more to music than structure, voicings, etc. There is power, emotion, danceability, etc. For those who cannot see beyond the numbers or, stated otherwise, cannot see the forest through the trees, I feel sorry for you, for you are missing out on one of the most amazing aspects of the musical journey. Some music, although perhaps not the most technically challenging or interesting, can evoke an incredible response in the listener. That alone is invaluable and often properly overshadows the technical simplicity of the song. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soundscape Posted November 20, 2006 Share Posted November 20, 2006 Originally posted by garrafon: There is WAY more to music than structure, voicings, etc. Even if it's simple, it relates to that, right? (i.e., they probably follow "the rules" to a large existent.) Most good but apparently "simple" songs have all sorts of tricks in them which pull out the magic from well-worn structures. Sometimes it's just down to the placement or sudden "surprise" element... but the surprise could just be a diatonic chord that hasn't been "met" before. Originally posted by garrafon: There is power, emotion, danceability, etc. For those who cannot see beyond the numbers or, stated otherwise, cannot see the forest through the trees, I feel sorry for you, for you are missing out on one of the most amazing aspects of the musical journey. +1000. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Horne Posted November 20, 2006 Share Posted November 20, 2006 I might have even liked the Doors for a few minutes during my teenage years. I grew up ... and so did my taste in music. (Believe me, I played a lot of shit in my youth. It's nice now not having to play anything I don't want to play.) I'm sure if that music has any worth we'll hear a CD of those tunes by Diana Krall, Jamie Cullum, et al. As far as I know, the piano greats (I know this is a Keyboard magazine and not a Piano magazine) have not made any tribute albums of the Doors. Look, if you like that music, fine. If the crowd you play for likes that music, fine. Just don't tell me that it's well constructed. It's really cheap music. The lyrics are bad, the harmonies are mediocre ... but it has a good beat, I'll give it 8 and half Dick. Shouldn't we be setting our sights just a tad higher, guys? Is mediocre music from the 1960's really worth three pages of posts? (I did try to find Jim Morrison's grave while in Paris recently. I did not find his grave but I did locate the final resting place of Camille Saint-Saëns. She was a fine keyboard player - organ and piano ... a little before Morrison's time however. ) No guitarists were harmed during the making of this message. In general, harmonic complexity is inversely proportional to the ratio between chording and non-chording instruments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soundscape Posted November 20, 2006 Share Posted November 20, 2006 Originally posted by Dave Horne: I might have even liked the Doors for a few minutes during my teenage years. I grew up ... and so did my taste in music. (Believe me, I played a lot of shit in my youth. It's nice now not having to play anything I don't want to play.) I'm sure if that music has any worth we'll hear a CD of those tunes by Diana Krall, Jamie Cullum, et al.If we grow up, we might listen to a player who (presumably) plays in a similar style to Dave...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stepay Posted November 20, 2006 Share Posted November 20, 2006 I'll be one to say that The Doors music is worth more than others. Not the most complex music in the world, but as a group, very very good. Riders On The Storm, Light My Fire, LA Woman, Break On Through, Love Me Two Times -- all those songs with cool keyboard. Man I LOVE it! My just newly former band played Riders On The Storm and LA Woman. Great songs. Check out me on keyboard playing Riders On The Storm with the band here - http://www.putfile.com/stepay/media Note that it's a live version, so I hit a couple clams, but overall a pretty good recording I think. Steve (Stevie Ray) "Do the chickens have large talons?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Horne Posted November 20, 2006 Share Posted November 20, 2006 Originally posted by soundscape: Originally posted by Dave Horne: I might have even liked the Doors for a few minutes during my teenage years. I grew up ... and so did my taste in music. (Believe me, I played a lot of shit in my youth. It's nice now not having to play anything I don't want to play.) I'm sure if that music has any worth we'll hear a CD of those tunes by Diana Krall, Jamie Cullum, et al.If we grow up, we might listen to a player who (presumably) plays in a similar style to Dave...? I know I've improved. If at 56 I were still playing the music of the Doors in clubs, I would be living that quote from Dick Cavette ... setting one's sights low and missing. No guitarists were harmed during the making of this message. In general, harmonic complexity is inversely proportional to the ratio between chording and non-chording instruments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ITGITC Posted November 20, 2006 Share Posted November 20, 2006 Originally posted by Dave Horne: Look, if you like that music, fine. If the crowd you play for likes that music, fine. Just don't tell me that it's well constructed. It's really cheap music. The lyrics are bad, the harmonies are mediocre ... but it has a good beat, I'll give it 8 and half Dick. Sorry Dave. Great rock and roll doesn't have to be well constructed, well produced, have great lyrics, harmonies, and structure. Ain't that a bitch? "Music expresses that which cannot be put into words and that which cannot remain silent." - Victor Hugo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrafon Posted November 20, 2006 Share Posted November 20, 2006 Sorry Dave. Great rock and roll doesn't have to be well constructed, well produced, have great lyrics, harmonies, and structure. Ain't that a bitch? [/QB] +1000 And Tom's point isn't limited to rock and roll. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soundscape Posted November 20, 2006 Share Posted November 20, 2006 Nah, structure is always key. Get the chorus (or refrain) in under the first minute, etc., etc. Yeah sure, it's not 1000 bars of reharmonization type structure. Don't need great lyrics. You need a hook that people sing in the shower. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ITGITC Posted November 20, 2006 Share Posted November 20, 2006 Originally posted by soundscape: You need a hook that people sing in the shower. This is true. I just posted about the Dire Straits song. Now I can't get the damn thing outta my head. "I Want My MTV" ...That's a great hook. dammit "Music expresses that which cannot be put into words and that which cannot remain silent." - Victor Hugo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J_tour Posted November 20, 2006 Share Posted November 20, 2006 Originally posted by Dave Horne: Camille Saint-Saëns [...] She was a fine keyboard player - organ and piano She? Really? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finale Posted November 20, 2006 Share Posted November 20, 2006 Originally posted by Dave Horne: I did not find his grave but I did locate the final resting place of Camille Saint-Saëns. She was a fine keyboard player - organ and piano ... a little before Morrison's time however. )Saint-Saëns wasn't a she, as you can see on this picture. http://www.cs.princeton.edu/~san/saint-saens.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stepay Posted November 20, 2006 Share Posted November 20, 2006 Originally posted by Is There Gas in the Car?: Originally posted by Dave Horne: Look, if you like that music, fine. If the crowd you play for likes that music, fine. Just don't tell me that it's well constructed. It's really cheap music. The lyrics are bad, the harmonies are mediocre ... but it has a good beat, I'll give it 8 and half Dick. Sorry Dave. Great rock and roll doesn't have to be well constructed, well produced, have great lyrics, harmonies, and structure. Ain't that a bitch? Got another one in agreement with this. Some rock and roll songs are just magic, and if you tried to decipher why, you'd be stuck. The Doors had that magic. Steve (Stevie Ray) "Do the chickens have large talons?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soundscape Posted November 20, 2006 Share Posted November 20, 2006 Originally posted by Is There Gas in the Car?: Originally posted by soundscape: You need a hook that people sing in the shower. This is true. I just posted about the Dire Staits song. Now I can't get the damn thing outta my head. "I Want My MTV" ...That's a great hook. dammit You got it... and I can hear that song instantly, from the that guitar riff (hook) through to "I want my MTV" (hook)... even though I haven't heard it in a while. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ITGITC Posted November 20, 2006 Share Posted November 20, 2006 Originally posted by J_tour: Originally posted by Dave Horne: Camille Saint-Saëns [...] She was a fine keyboard player - organ and piano She? Really? http://bcev.nfrance.com/SaintSaens/Saint_Saens_2.jpg "Music expresses that which cannot be put into words and that which cannot remain silent." - Victor Hugo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Horne Posted November 20, 2006 Share Posted November 20, 2006 Sorry Dave. Great rock and roll doesn't have to be well constructed, well produced, have great lyrics, harmonies, and structure. Oh, now I get it. We have lowered expectations for some kinds of music. Why didn't you just say that. We can shut down a good portion of our brain to make the experience more ... acceptable. On the other hand, Billy Joel has written many first rate rock and roll tunes - excellent lyrics (stories actually), well constructed tunes with harmonies that actually make sense. (I happen to know that Oscar Peterson was one of his idols growing up. Could that help to explain why Joel's standards seem to be much higher than The Doors?) No guitarists were harmed during the making of this message. In general, harmonic complexity is inversely proportional to the ratio between chording and non-chording instruments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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