ProfD Posted September 5, 2006 Share Posted September 5, 2006 Originally posted by stepay: Oh well. I consider the sounds from the Nord to be old school, but I guess I'm not old enough. You are right-thinking in terms of old school i.e. 1970s. This request calls for sounds from the 1770s. None of us are that old. PD "The greatest thing you'll ever learn, is just to love and be loved in return."--E. Ahbez "Nature Boy" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clavinovaguyusa Posted September 5, 2006 Share Posted September 5, 2006 With the mix that he wants. The Roland G70 with the complete orchestra SRX-06 installed would get the pipe organ/theater organ variations he might want. It also has the hammond drawbars (simulated with sliders)switchable for upper/lower/pedal/rotary built in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bodhi Posted September 5, 2006 Author Share Posted September 5, 2006 A typical simple pipe organ has about 10 stops - or voices (sets of pipes). Some of the bigger ones have 60 or more. Two to four manual keyboards, plus a 32-key pedalboard driving them. Some of the specialist pipe organ sample sets consume up to 30 gb of disk space and require a PC with at least 1gb of RAM. Heavy duty stuff. But as a student, I'd settle for what the Kawai MP8 has (about 20 classical organ sounds - plus about 30 contemporary organs). I've just read that the MP8 has just about the heaviest graded-hammer weighted action of them all. Maybe I'd enjoy the MP8 for the stringed keyboard sounds but prefer to run a cheap/simple 61-key semi-weighted controller (or two) into it for the organ sounds. Those of you who know more about MIDI than I do: could the MP8, with its 192 note polyphony, be used with two manual keyboards and a pedalboard plugged into it controlling different voices (i.e. organ flutes on one keyboard, reeds on another, and a nice throaty bass on the pedals)? I'm too noob to know if you can split the sounds on the MP8 and play different voices from different controllers. Too complicated? Maybe the PC route offers the most flexibility. With the mix that he wants. The Roland G70 with the complete orchestra SRX-06 installed would get the pipe organ/theater organ variations he might want. It also has the hammond drawbars (simulated with sliders)switchable for upper/lower/pedal/rotary built in.I checked out the SRX-06 module and didn't see anything that looked like pipe/theatre organ sounds - did I miss something? "Don't let your karma run over your dogma". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clavinovaguyusa Posted September 6, 2006 Share Posted September 6, 2006 Here are some of the patch groupings on the SRX-06 card 319-329 pipe organ sounds (these are quite different then the GM church organ sounds) 308-318 chromatic percussion instruments (xylophone, vibe, marimba) 297-307 Bells 281-296 Harpsicords and celeste 001-082 Various strings 083-119 Full Orchestra 177-219 Orchestra Reeds/Flutes/Horns 159-176 Flute and Solo winds 222-273 Orchestral Brass 376-400 Vocals somewhere in there Orchestral hits... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manhunter Posted September 6, 2006 Share Posted September 6, 2006 You are right-thinking in terms of old school i.e. 1970s. This request calls for sounds from the 1770s. None of us are that old. Dave Horne? Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bodhi Posted September 6, 2006 Author Share Posted September 6, 2006 Originally posted by Clavinovaguyusa: Here are some of the patch groupings on the SRX-06 card 319-329 pipe organ sounds (these are quite different then the GM church organ sounds) 308-318 chromatic percussion instruments (xylophone, vibe, marimba) 297-307 Bells 281-296 Harpsicords and celeste 001-082 Various strings 083-119 Full Orchestra 177-219 Orchestra Reeds/Flutes/Horns 159-176 Flute and Solo winds 222-273 Orchestral Brass 376-400 Vocals somewhere in there Orchestral hits... Ah, I neglected to notice that there were multiple pages in the Roland demo window. Too bad there are no demos of any of the pipe organ sounds. Looks like lots of harpsichords though and the one demo sounded pretty nice. Maybe SamAsh will have one on the floor with the SRX-06 available to try out. Now then, which Roland keyboards can use these ROMS and which has the best semi-weighted pressure/velocity/aftertouch keyboard that is the best all-around compromise? I'd really like to avoid the computer sampler route, because of the extra complexity and expense. I'd really prefer to have one general-purpose keyboard and then add a second and then some pedals. Mucho thanks to everyone for the advice. I know my search is an odd one. "Don't let your karma run over your dogma". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clavinovaguyusa Posted September 6, 2006 Share Posted September 6, 2006 Units with SRX expansion capability: XV-2020 Module with 2 expansion ports MX-200 Rodgers Instruments version of XV-2020 with one dedicated SRX board containing specially designed organ stops. XV-5050 Sound Module XV-3080 Sound Module (SRX modules past SRX-9 not supported) XV-5080 Sound Module 4 SR-JV, 4 SRX, sample playback (SRX modules past SRX-9 not supported) Fantom XR Sound module 6 SRX expansion Fantom X6 Synth/Sampler Weight 61 keyboard 4 SRX slots Fantom X7 Synth/Sampler weight 76 Keyboard 4 SRX slots Fantom X8 Weighted Synth/Sampler 88 Keyboard 4 SRX slots E80 Arranger Keyboard with speakers 61 Keyboard 2 SRX slots G70 Arranger Keyboard without speakers Semi weighted 76 Keyboard 1 SRX slot SRX-12 Optimized (extra features) for Fantom X keyboards SRG-01 Special SRX board for E80 and G70 boards Bodhi, I own both the Fantom X7 and G70. There are advantages to both. The X7 has the synth, the G70 has the styles with backup instruments and vocoder. Both have USB connections. Pedals added to these two units would give you an awesome rig. IMHO. I also have a Roland A90ex 88 key controller for weighted performance and 2 XV-5080 for storing SRX boards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bodhi Posted September 6, 2006 Author Share Posted September 6, 2006 MX-200 Rodgers Instruments version of XV-2020 with one dedicated SRX board containing specially designed organ stops. I've seen the MX-200 on Rodgers' website. Specs are nice. Have you any idea how much it costs? A similar dedicated pipe organ box from Albhorn, is around $3,500 - a tad expensive IMHO. Allen and Wicks have boxes too but I can't get a price quote from anyone - just a run-around - see an Allen dealer - nearest one is 200 miles away. Maybe they're only interested in dealing with churches. "Don't let your karma run over your dogma". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clavinovaguyusa Posted September 7, 2006 Share Posted September 7, 2006 I have read that the MX-200 is in the $2500 range. A great resource for information on the MX-200 and locating a Rodgers dealer to get a quote from would be: http://www.frogmusic.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bodhi Posted September 7, 2006 Author Share Posted September 7, 2006 I just read through the downloadable manual. Looks like this with an SRX add-on connected to one or more minimalist controllers might be what I'm looking for. Lots of great (on paper anyway) non-pipe organ sounds as well. Hmmm, now any chance I could check one out in person. Their site shows the nearest dealer in Maryland and I'm in North Carolina. BTW, did Roland buy Rodgers or the other way around? "Don't let your karma run over your dogma". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clavinovaguyusa Posted September 7, 2006 Share Posted September 7, 2006 Roland purchased Rodgers in 1987ish....according to the history timeline on the Rodger's site. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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