Gulliver Posted July 19, 2001 Share Posted July 19, 2001 Now when I got over my "unlucky" (13) post (sent it to The Bass Station http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/biggrin.gif) I feel ready for posting an entire topic here!I would like to know: do you make your own sounds (I mean synth patches) from the (so called) scratch, or do you tend to modify the already existing patches? Do you make them for your every new project or just for the selected ones? Maybe you even do not touch factory patches at all and rely exclusively on your own sounds?! (If so, then I envy you!! http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/frown.gif). I am aware that if your keyboards have A LOT OF KNOBS then it's not so hard to come up with your own stuff, but if you (like me) own synths which have only a few buttons for sound programming then... how's then? Speaking about myself - I'm not so good at programming at all (and that's despite the fact that I eagerly read every Keyboard issue I receive! http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/mad.gif ). Especially if "from the scratch" (actually I never did this with my Ensoniq keyboards!). But I still happened to create several own patches heavily modifying some pre-existing ones. (Don't ask me how long it took! http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/redface.gif). So, how about you? Vladislav PS. Thanks for your time and sorry for my English! This message has been edited by Gulliver on 07-19-2001 at 06:42 AM I am back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krakit Posted July 19, 2001 Share Posted July 19, 2001 On my Roland JX-8P I only use home grown patches. In fact, I just bought a new cartridge on eBay so I can make more. When it comes to patch creation, it depends on what I'm looking to do. If I'm going for a sound that exists in some form in the presets (organ, horn, string etc.) I might start with that and tweak it. If there's a sound that I like but could change in some way to be more pleaseing (Mays Wind comes to mind) I'll tweak that too. If I'm going for a completely unique analogue synth type sound (most of what I use the board for), I'll start from scratch. I'll take two approaches when I do this. Either I'll just apply a "*controlled random" technique and see what happens. Or, If I have a mental picture of what I want from the get go, I'll take a methodical approach to get just the right timbre. *I realize that "controlled randmoness" is something of an oxymoron, but there are rules that I follow to avoid parameters that don't produce sounds, or produce entirely unusable sounds even when I'm going about programming in a "I don't know where I'm going, but I'm on my way" style. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coyote Posted July 19, 2001 Share Posted July 19, 2001 Being lazy & inexperienced I often start w/ an existing patch & tweak it. However I often make drastic changes somewhere - to the point that the product patch in no way resembles the original. At that point, it might as well be considered a "scratch patch". PS I have a JP8000 - lots of knobs http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/smile.gif This message has been edited by coyote on 07-19-2001 at 11:03 AM I used to think I was Libertarian. Until I saw their platform; now I know I'm no more Libertarian than I am RepubliCrat or neoCON or Liberal or Socialist. This ain't no track meet; this is football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gus Lozada Posted July 19, 2001 Share Posted July 19, 2001 Originally posted by Gulliver: I am aware that if your keyboards have A LOT OF KNOBS then it's not so hard to come up with your own stuff, but if you (like me) own synths which have only a few buttons for sound programming then... how's then? Especially if "from the scratch" (actually I never did this with my Ensoniq keyboards!). But I still happened to create several own patches heavily modifying some pre-existing ones. Vladislav Hi Vlad (Drakul?) http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/biggrin.gif ! Your English is way better than mine, so don't even mention it. I also have an EnsoniQ synth and creating something "new from scratch" is a very hard job. I 'm also in the modifying stuff with it. Your observation regarding synths with a lots of knobs is real. I have not a hardware but a lot of software synths with "knobs" and I do always modify them. It's easier... I do have my own libraries of custom / presets I do use depending on the project. But If I require to create something new I do it. Even more interesting is when a new sound inspires a whole new song... ------------------ Gustavo G Lozada Moderador de: MusicPlayer.com/NuestroForo "La voz en Español en Música y Tecnología" GusTraX @yahoo.com Músico, Productor, Ingeniero, Tecnólogo Senior Product Manager, América Latina y Caribe - PreSonus at Fender Musical Instruments Company Instagram: guslozada Facebook: Lozada - Música y Tecnología www.guslozada.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magpel Posted July 19, 2001 Share Posted July 19, 2001 First off, Vladislav and Gustavo, your English is *excellent.* It's remarkable that people can become not only competent but playful and expressive in a second or even third language. Never mind a few grammatical quirks here or there. The point is you communicate excellent well. We anglo-centric types sometimes don't understand the intellectual magnitude of learning to function well in a second language. Well, I do. I'm envious and awed by your facility with English. I tend to work off presets when programming my QS 8, but that's primarily because I can't figure out how to clear the slate and start from scratch!! I use the Unisyn editor that comes with it. Any suggestions? When I use the soft synth Reality, I start from scratch, and relatively early into my programming experience, I've made a few programs that are keepers. Really basic stuff. I discovered that two square waves, slightly detuned, produced a nice sort of dirty Rhodes sound. Then I just set key velocity to modulate filter cutoff, played around till it seemed to respond well to me. Then augmented it with a few controllers. Fun stuff and it's a really playable and useful sound. Then I get into playing with crazier stuff and usually end up scrapping the programs. Live and learn. John Check out the Sweet Clementines CD at bandcamp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gulliver Posted July 20, 2001 Author Share Posted July 20, 2001 Gustavo, John,..... Thank you!! Also, guys, thanks for letting me know what is your "relationship" with presets and your own sounds. I think I will tweak my synths more often from now on! http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/biggrin.gifOh yes, this editor-librarian thing... Does any of you have ever used Sound Diver? Is it cool? I'm asking because I use Logic and SD must be their (Emagic's) program as well. Vladislav I am back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_3guy Posted July 20, 2001 Share Posted July 20, 2001 Originally posted by coyote: Being lazy & inexperienced I often start w/ an existing patch & tweak it. I don't think this lazy & inexperienced. This is probably the norm. I do the same, start with a patch & try to make it better. Don't forget that it's the factory patches that sell the instrument. If they aren't any good, how do you know what the board sounds like? Some people want to be sound guys, you know do effects, pads, fills. I'm would rather play. Originally posted by Gulliver: Does any of you have ever used Sound Diver? Is it cool? I use Sound Diver 3.3. It seems competent. I use it because it does multiple boards. Instead of using the different editors that comes with each individual synth, I have just it on my computer. It allows me to edit them all. Just easier & more straight forward. I don't know if there's an advantage in using it because you have Logic. Steve www.seagullphotodesign.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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