shniggens Posted March 28, 2005 Share Posted March 28, 2005 Y'know that cell phone commercial - "East side, West side, South side, let's ride!!". One guy calls the other guy . . . the other guy will be around shortly after he "picks up some bitches" or some such bullshit. Did I hear it wrong? Please tell me I did. Amateur Hack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valkyrie Sound Posted March 28, 2005 Share Posted March 28, 2005 Wow... really? Can anyone confirm this? I'd be very interested if anyone can find a recording... Valky Valkyrie Sound: http://www.vsoundinc.com Now at TSUTAYA USA: http://www.tsutayausa.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paully Posted March 28, 2005 Share Posted March 28, 2005 You heard it right. A sad commentary on the state of TV advertising. Now when it comes on, the channel gets changed so quickly that I don't even know which company it is. WUDAYAKNOW.. For the first time in my life, I'm wrong again!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryst Posted March 28, 2005 Share Posted March 28, 2005 Originally posted by shniggens: Y'know that cell phone commercial - "East side, West side, South side, let's ride!!". One guy calls the other guy . . . the other guy will be around shortly after he "picks up some bitches" or some such bullshit. Did I hear it wrong? Please tell me I did. Sorry, I don't watch tv but to play devil's advocate....He could have said "picks up some itches"....maybe his old cell phone made him itch so he made a switch after a sales pitch from a guy named Mitch and without a hitch he made the switch? Thank GOD I don't try and do this for a living. www.myspace.com/apocrypha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super 8 Posted March 28, 2005 Share Posted March 28, 2005 You gotta be kidding me.... Which company? Super 8 Hear my stuff here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shniggens Posted March 28, 2005 Author Share Posted March 28, 2005 I'm not sure which company. Amateur Hack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
songrytr Posted March 28, 2005 Share Posted March 28, 2005 Nextel. this house is empty now... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
not Cereal Posted March 28, 2005 Share Posted March 28, 2005 i cant stand that commercial. crappola Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valkyrie Sound Posted March 28, 2005 Share Posted March 28, 2005 Are they showing this ad with the "bitches" on broadcast networks (not cable)? I wonder if there's a different version for Networks? Sounds strange given all the new FCC stuff going on.... Valkyrie Sound: http://www.vsoundinc.com Now at TSUTAYA USA: http://www.tsutayausa.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the stranger Posted March 28, 2005 Share Posted March 28, 2005 It was only a matter of time. http://www.nytimes.com/2005/03/22/arts/television/22chie.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Klopmeyer Posted March 28, 2005 Share Posted March 28, 2005 Welcome back to Blaxploitation. Having seen this process, I can tell you about the white, middle-aged marketing exec who wrote that crap, trying to be urban, edgy and offering street-cred (when he doesn't really know what any of those terms mean) since that's what he's told his prime demographic is made of. I'm sick to death of the worship of money defining pop culture. And I'm sick of pop culture dragging us further into the dung heap. If my son ever generically refers to a woman as a bitch, I'm going to slap the mouth off his face. - Jeff Marketing Communications for MI/Pro Audio My solo music and stuff They Stole My Crayon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shniggens Posted March 28, 2005 Author Share Posted March 28, 2005 Originally posted by Jeff Da Weasel: Welcome back to Blaxploitation. I can tell you about the white, middle-aged marketing exec who wrote that crap, trying to be urban, edgy and offering street-cred (when he doesn't really know what any of those terms mean) since that's what he's told his prime demographic is made of. - Jeff Yeah, because y'know that kind of dialogue is almost unheard of in the Rap genre. I guess a good question is - no matter who wrote it, are they getting through to their target demographic? Amateur Hack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Klopmeyer Posted March 28, 2005 Share Posted March 28, 2005 Originally posted by shniggens: Yeah, because y'know that kind of dialogue is almost unheard of in the Rap genre. Of course it is. Specifically, my problem in this case is not the use of the word "bitches". That's endemic within hip-hop, the disrespect of women. Rather, I find it MUCH worse that by using it purposefully in a commercial, the company that wrote the script and the company whose products are being advertised are explicitly condoning the behavior. I guess a good question is - no matter who wrote it, are they getting through to their target demographic? I suppose it's a good question. To get the answer, you need the marketing metrics to follow-up and say that "x" amount of sales to the urban (or, specifically, black) community were increased during the time of the promotion. Remember: all morals and ethics go straight out the window as soon as revenue/profitability is increased. There are very few companies that act any differently. In the case of Boost Mobile ("Where You At?"), they tried to circumvent the complaints of racism by donating $1 to the United Negro College Fund for each sale. Can't everyone see that this is a pre-planned damage control move? Marketing people make me ill. Yes, I make myself ill from time to time. However, as Daffy Duck would say, it's a living. - Jeff Marketing Communications for MI/Pro Audio My solo music and stuff They Stole My Crayon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robman2 Posted March 28, 2005 Share Posted March 28, 2005 But isn't Bitches a sign of respect, gleaned from the tribalism, and socio-encounter of prison life, now permutated into Ebonical metahphor? Perhaps they should dub in, Fine fat butt bitches, to further promote Beautyshop...the film. R Label on the reverb, inside 1973 Ampeg G-212: "Folded Line Reverberation Unit" Manufactured by beautiful girls in Milton WIS. under controlled atmosphere conditions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Klopmeyer Posted March 28, 2005 Share Posted March 28, 2005 Originally posted by Robman2: But isn't Bitches a sign of respect, gleaned from the tribalism, and socio-encounter of prison life, now permutated into Ebonical metahphor?No. And it's not something to joke around about, either. If you think this is a "black issue", you're dead wrong. The urban/hip-hop influence on youth culture pervades all races. Spoken to any white or Asian 15-year olds lately? Perhaps they should dub in, Fine fat butt bitches, to further promote Beautyshop...the film.You're not helping, Rob. - Jeff Marketing Communications for MI/Pro Audio My solo music and stuff They Stole My Crayon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shniggens Posted March 28, 2005 Author Share Posted March 28, 2005 Either way, they are propogating disrespect. Amateur Hack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lrossmusic Posted March 28, 2005 Share Posted March 28, 2005 Originally posted by Jeff Da Weasel: I guess a good question is - no matter who wrote it, are they getting through to their target demographic? I suppose it's a good question. To get the answer, you need the marketing metrics to follow-up and say that "x" amount of sales to the urban (or, specifically, black) community were increased during the time of the promotion. The target demographic may not be so clear. According to a 60 Minute interview with Lyor Cohen (ex- Def Jam President)upwards of 80% of rap records are bought by middle class white teens in the suburbs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prague Posted March 28, 2005 Share Posted March 28, 2005 I think it's great. Celebrate diversity! The target demo is the "urban community" portion without cellphones. I be gittin one to call my bitches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Klopmeyer Posted March 28, 2005 Share Posted March 28, 2005 You know, is this any better? The bitch is hungry She needs to tell So give her inches And feed her well That's from a big hard rock hit from the Scorpions in the '80s. This isn't a black issue, or a hip-hop issue. It is, to look at the forest instead of the trees, an issue of the responsibility of musicians -- ALL musicians -- to be aware of their cultural influence and the results of their actions. And no one ever wants to talk about that. This isn't a new problem. It's the same problem, and it's not going to go away, regardless of the racial groups or the musical genres involved. As soon as you mention this, the answer is about censorship and stifling creative freedoms. So it'll never change. But, if it bugs ya, you always have the option of not buying products from the companies that consciously shirk this responsibility. - Jeff Marketing Communications for MI/Pro Audio My solo music and stuff They Stole My Crayon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bunny Knutson Posted March 28, 2005 Share Posted March 28, 2005 Originally posted by Jeff Da Weasel: But, if it bugs ya, you always have the option of not buying products from the companies that consciously shirk this responsibility. OR, you could start a thread in a public internet forum with the very word that's so offensive to you right there in the title of the thread!!! https://bunny.bandcamp.com/ https://theystolemycrayon.bandcamp.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robman2 Posted March 28, 2005 Share Posted March 28, 2005 Jeff, sorry to ascerbically diverge...it was completely anacronistic... Actually, I couldn't agree more... Rob Label on the reverb, inside 1973 Ampeg G-212: "Folded Line Reverberation Unit" Manufactured by beautiful girls in Milton WIS. under controlled atmosphere conditions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
not Cereal Posted March 28, 2005 Share Posted March 28, 2005 bitch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Flier Posted March 28, 2005 Share Posted March 28, 2005 Good Lord that is crazy! I guess any remaining decency is out the window so long as anybody thinks they can make a buck off it. Sure am glad I'm not a NexTel customer! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slowly Posted March 28, 2005 Share Posted March 28, 2005 I get bitched at for making remarks like some of those mentioned above. Kcbass "Let It Be!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shniggens Posted March 28, 2005 Author Share Posted March 28, 2005 Originally posted by Bunny.: OR, you could start a thread in a public internet forum with the very word that's so offensive to you right there in the title of the thread!!! I learnt it on TV! It's not the word, it's the context. Amateur Hack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackpig Posted March 29, 2005 Share Posted March 29, 2005 I have always strongly objected to the words "rap" and "music" being used in the same context. It's not the nihilism (look at 70s punk), it's not the disrespect (look at some metal) it's the utter shallowness and inherent racism of it all. Even though its influence has filtered across to kids from other races, there's no denying that the promotors of this so-called "culture" are out for one thing only - to make a profit from the exploitation and ghettoisation of black people. Listen to the stupid "lyrics". Look at the stupid hand gestures. Listen to the moronic "music". Look at the stupid vidoes that all seem to be recorded in the back of the same limmo. Culture my $%&**. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phait Posted March 29, 2005 Share Posted March 29, 2005 I don't casually refer to girls as 'bitches'. I have a friend that does, and know several others that do. While they look stupid saying it that way, I don't care so much. They don't realize they're making an ass of themselves, while others might catch it, and maybe avoid them or think differently. As for a commercial, I think it's kinda amusing. I haven't seen it, but they had to of been making fun of the crassness of the wannabe/thug/world-owes-me "culture". I always imagined getting dozens of rappers in one room and telling them to stop and look at eachother and spot the similiarities from apparel to personality. I bet everyone would "win". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryson Posted March 29, 2005 Share Posted March 29, 2005 Originally posted by Robman2: But isn't Bitches a sign of respect, gleaned from the tribalism, and socio-encounter of prison life, now permutated into Ebonical metahphor? So, you wouldn't mind being referred to as "Bitch" in prison? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Franknputer Posted March 29, 2005 Share Posted March 29, 2005 Originally posted by Bryson: Originally posted by Robman2: But isn't Bitches a sign of respect, gleaned from the tribalism, and socio-encounter of prison life, now permutated into Ebonical metahphor? So, you wouldn't mind being referred to as "Bitch" in prison? Truthfully - being in prison, being referred to as a bitch would be a lesser worry than being one... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Franknputer Posted March 29, 2005 Share Posted March 29, 2005 Originally posted by Phait: As for a commercial, I think it's kinda amusing. I haven't seen it, but they had to of been making fun of the crassness of the wannabe/thug/world-owes-me "culture". Because everyone knows that commercials exist to cast ironic commentary on our society as a whole, not to sell stuff... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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