davinwv Posted June 16 Share Posted June 16 Alicia's Rhodes? Alicia's Wurly? Alicia's Electric Keys? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TommyRude Posted June 17 Share Posted June 17 Ok, I'll fess up. It's me, and Tommy Rude's legendary talking Rhodes 2 Quote Some music I've recorded and played over the years with a few different bands Tommy Rude Soundcloud Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.F.N. Posted June 17 Share Posted June 17 Herbie? As the Duke and Chick are no longer with us, and they claim Legendary, could be Stevie too though. Quote "You live every day. You only die once." Where is Major Tom? - - - - - PC3, HX3 w. B4D, 61SLMkII, SL73, Prologue 16, KingKORG, Opsix, MPC Key 37, DM12D, Argon8m, EX5R, Toraiz AS-1, IK Uno, Toraiz SP-16, Erica LXR-02, QY-700, SQ64, Beatstep Pro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Docbop Posted June 17 Share Posted June 17 1 minute ago, J.F.N. said: Herbie? As the Duke is no longer with us, and they claim Legendary, could be Stevie too though. Your missing that it said one of it's legendary artist who was behind one of their biggest selling plugins. Then people who heard Terrace Martin's recent interview with Devvon. Terrace was in Herbie's pre covid band and since then Terrace and Glaper have been working with Herbie a lot of a project to come. Terrace play sax and keys and is a recording engineer and producer. They ask Terrace about old gear and he tells how he came across and old vintage Rhodes and told Herbie about it. Herbie said why sound I get that old Rhodes I got Keyscape and I can get in and tweak the setting and come up with something. Terrace also said I don't know if it was from his father or from Herbie the said... You see all those pictures of the great musicians playing what are vintage instrument, but those were just new instruments when those pictures were taken. Basically just say learn to use what you got which I think is an important lesson to many young player ignore today. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davinwv Posted June 17 Author Share Posted June 17 When I dropped off my Rhodes & Wurly at Speakeasy Vintage Music to be re-worked back in the late '00s, Steve showed me Alicia's Rhodes in line to be serviced/modded. I bet this is it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tapes Posted June 17 Share Posted June 17 6 hours ago, J.F.N. said: Herbie? As the Duke and Chick are no longer with us, and they claim Legendary, could be Stevie too though. Herbie is with Korg (as is the aforementioned Terrace Martin). Robert Glasper plays the new MK8 Rhodes. My guess is also on Alicia Keys. The only other NI artist I can think of was George Duke (R.I.P.), with "Duke's Treasures". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElmerJFudd Posted June 17 Share Posted June 17 Kontakt runs pretty light on resources. Does NI or any of their partners have a bundle similar to Spectrasonics Keyscape? Quote Yamaha CP88, Casio PX-560 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davinwv Posted June 17 Author Share Posted June 17 8 hours ago, tapes said: My guess is also on Alicia Keys. The only other NI artist I can think of was George Duke (R.I.P.), with "Duke's Treasures". While it was really cool for non-keyboardists, I doubt George Duke's Soul Treasures was one of NI's "best loved and most-used plugins", but I think that the Alicia's Keys piano probably was. Scarbee was involved the first time, I wonder if that's happened again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davinwv Posted June 17 Author Share Posted June 17 Also, I would wager that July 9th. will be the release date (just after the current 50% off and $50 off $200 cart promotions end). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Docbop Posted June 17 Share Posted June 17 1 hour ago, davinwv said: Also, I would wager that July 9th. will be the release date (just after the current 50% off and $50 off $200 cart promotions end). Don't their new new upgrades usually come just after the 50% sale end. I have no library like Kontact (or Arturia) and thinking of getting one and trying to decide whether to buy now with the sale or wait for the latest and greatest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reezekeys Posted June 17 Share Posted June 17 Nothing against NI or Alicia but… who here was thinking “we need another Rhodes library?” I know I’m being a curmudgeon but - isn’t anybody ever happy enough with their instrument(s) that they can stop chasing that “better” or “different” one and maybe work on being a better player? What is the appeal of having all these Rhodes? The only reason I can see is that maybe your current one lacks something in how it was sampled or modeled - but these days I think most of the major players have that stuff together. Can you imagine this mindset if these plugins didn’t exist? Would we all be buying every new hardware keyboard as soon as they’re updated, even a little bit? Oh, wait…. 🙂 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doerfler Posted June 17 Share Posted June 17 3 hours ago, Reezekeys said: Nothing against NI or Alicia but… who here was thinking “we need another Rhodes library?” With you here brother. Scarbee 88 is currently on sale for US $49 for those of us who don't already own it. Can't imagine improving on that release. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AROIOS Posted June 17 Share Posted June 17 3 hours ago, Reezekeys said: … who here was thinking “we need another Rhodes library?”... Exactly how I feel every time I see a wall of guitars/amps/cabs behind a player: "You actually use/need all that?" The amount of cork sniffing in the EG world is insane. They'll easily drop a couple grand on what can be done with a few dBs of adjustments in EQ. We are at least lucky that the same patch sounds 99.9% the same on a $100 JV-1010 vs. a $2,000 Fantom. That forces us to focus more on our crafts. But then I remembered analog synths... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tapes Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 10 hours ago, Reezekeys said: Nothing against NI or Alicia but… who here was thinking “we need another Rhodes library?” I know I’m being a curmudgeon but - isn’t anybody ever happy enough with their instrument(s) that they can stop chasing that “better” or “different” one and maybe work on being a better player? What is the appeal of having all these Rhodes? I haven't tried every EP emulation out there, but funnily enough, I'm still sort of looking Most EP emulations are lacking some sonic character. If it's mellow, it's not detailed enough - it sounds fake when you solo. For instance, I've never been able to fully capture Herbie's Rhodes tone in software. Nothing really sounds like George Duke's tine-y Rhodes, or Chick's RTF era Rhodes (although the Montage Mark V is OK). For the price, Purgatory Creek's Mark V is still really good! And it has a small footprint, and can be downloaded to hardware synths as well. I need to demo the V8 plug-in version. Although it does sound good, there's something "off" about Keyscape, especially the dry/clean models. All the patches sound too massive somehow, and you have to really mess with the sound to get it to sit in a mix. The best model IMO is the "E" Rhodes Suitcase, and it suits best for that early 80's Chorus-laden L.A. studio sound...but little else. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stoken6 Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 On 6/17/2024 at 1:06 AM, TommyRude said: Ok, I'll fess up. It's me, and Tommy Rude's legendary talking Rhodes Sparky's Magic Piano - The Next Generation. Cheers, Mike. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davinwv Posted July 23 Author Share Posted July 23 It's a CP-70: https://youtu.be/2Q7nF2u1gSQ?si=x2dTsNgNChY4gy5g Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doerfler Posted July 23 Share Posted July 23 https://www.native-instruments.com/en/products/komplete/keys/alicias-electric-keys/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reezekeys Posted July 23 Share Posted July 23 10 minutes ago, davinwv said: It's a CP-70: https://youtu.be/2Q7nF2u1gSQ?si=x2dTsNgNChY4gy5g Interesting, all the sound examples are heavily processed, making them more synth-like; nothing like a CP70. Fine, but listening to those synthy patches, I couldn't help thinking they'd be achievable with any number of plugins we already have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElmerJFudd Posted July 23 Share Posted July 23 12 minutes ago, Doerfler said: https://www.native-instruments.com/en/products/komplete/keys/alicias-electric-keys/ 😊 they sold a LOT of copies of her piano. Let’s see what she owns for EPs. Quote Yamaha CP88, Casio PX-560 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.F.N. Posted July 23 Share Posted July 23 22 minutes ago, ElmerJFudd said: 😊 they sold a LOT of copies of her piano. Let’s see what she owns for EPs. Was listening to some of her work the other day to find out what it's about, wasn't really that much of a piano virtuoso on those tracks, maybe I listened to the wrong ones though... Quote "You live every day. You only die once." Where is Major Tom? - - - - - PC3, HX3 w. B4D, 61SLMkII, SL73, Prologue 16, KingKORG, Opsix, MPC Key 37, DM12D, Argon8m, EX5R, Toraiz AS-1, IK Uno, Toraiz SP-16, Erica LXR-02, QY-700, SQ64, Beatstep Pro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reezekeys Posted July 23 Share Posted July 23 Aren't we evaluating the sound and usefulness of NI libraries recorded from her pianos? What does her playing ability have to do with this? I see marketing is using her record of past hits to sell it... so using this plugin will give you that same mojo is the message? Didn't we have a recent thread about fairy dusting? 🙂 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Martin Posted July 23 Share Posted July 23 As a CP-70 owner, I can't say that I'm impressed. Still have yet to hear one that captures it well. Quote -Mike Martin Casio Mike Martin Photography Instagram Facebook The Big Picture Photography Forum on Music Player Network The opinions I post here are my own and do not represent the company I work for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doerfler Posted July 23 Share Posted July 23 25 minutes ago, Mike Martin said: As a CP-70 owner, I can't say that I'm impressed. Still have yet to hear one that captures it well. I have owned 2 myself at different times in my life. I don't yet have an impression of this VST and won't for quite a while, if ever, as there is no trial period. OT, the most accurate, IMO, CP- 70 emulation is in the Yamaha CP4 and I no longer own one of those, either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElmerJFudd Posted July 23 Share Posted July 23 2 hours ago, J.F.N. said: Was listening to some of her work the other day to find out what it's about, wasn't really that much of a piano virtuoso on those tracks, maybe I listened to the wrong ones though... No, I haven’t heard that sort of writing or recording from Alicia (regardless of the back story they built on her musical upbringing, experiences and education) her records are part of a pop machine like any other that sells 40m albums. Her two most successful albums are Songs in A Minor and Diary of Alicia Keys. I enjoy several tracks in her catalog, especially the material that is a throwback to R&B and Soul records of yester-year. This is an artist sample library so they sampled the instrument and used the fx to recreate sounds used on her songs - R&B and pop songs post 2000. As opposed to say, pop rock songs from the 70s and 80s. Quote Yamaha CP88, Casio PX-560 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reezekeys Posted July 23 Share Posted July 23 I know this might be a bit of a divert and I don't mean to shit on the developers of this library. I'm sure a lot of work went into it and I hope they sell a ton of them. I just can't help thinking these thoughts when I see attention bestowed on the Yamaha CP pianos. I'm a former CP70 owner (and mover). This was an instrument of its time. There were no portable keyboards that could do an acoustic piano sound in the mid-to-late 70s when it was released. Then this came along - a real piano! I (and everyone else) was so hyped to have one that I (and everyone else) ignored its over-the-top inharmonicity due to the ridiculously short string scale. I still remember a Herbie Hancock VSOP record that featured this piano (he might have had a CP80). It was incredible: a piano you could easily amplify and play with loud drummers without banging, without dealing with microphones on a grand piano that were prone to feeding back. A piano you could put in the back of your station wagon (I had a tiny 1974 Subaru wagon it fit into). Amazing. But, hello... it's 2024. Why is this any kind of thing now, unless you're in a cover band and you have to play those select late-70s & early 80s tunes that featured this out-of-tune piano sound with notes that die out much faster than a real acoustic. It's telling that the demos concentrate on this plugin's samples going through tons of effects. The stock CP sound is something I haven't missed. I think I got $300 for mine when I sold it, and I was happy to see it go. If I was on a gig and had this sound in my kit and for some reason couldn't access my regular acoustic piano sample, I would use a Rhodes sample for the night - and I'm betting most of you out there would do the same. The CP70 - great in its time, and its time is past. IMNSHO. PS - I lived in a commercial loft building in New York when I owned this, and the elevator shut down at 5PM. I would carry the two pieces up a full flight of stairs after every gig. Maybe that's affected my viewpoint a little! 🙂 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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