Terrell Posted May 17, 2011 Share Posted May 17, 2011 What is a Shredder? If someone can shred, does it make them a shredder or must they shred all the time to be a shredder? If they show a shred lick, then go back to holding the perfect note for 3 bars, are they still a shredder? Is shredder a positive or negative? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Electric Biscuit Posted May 17, 2011 Share Posted May 17, 2011 I dunno, but I put my confidential files in it real men just jam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skipclone 1 Posted May 17, 2011 Share Posted May 17, 2011 IMO of course- Someone whose playing emphasizes speed and melody over phrasing and composition. Someone is a shredder if they play it often enough to identify as `their` style. Whether they can play anything else is irrelevant. Conversely being able to do it but not doing it, no that is not a shredder and that would apply to any other style as well. Not positive or negative, but there are some who see shredder and pronounce it `wanker`. That`s their problem. Same old surprises, brand new cliches- Skipsounds on Soundclick: www.soundclick.com/bands/pagemusic.cfm?bandid=602491 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Werewolf by Night Posted May 17, 2011 Share Posted May 17, 2011 : : ___________ http://cadmiumyellowskies.files.wordpress.com/2010/08/cheese-shredder.gif http://www.arbornauts.com/images/shredder2.jpghttp://www.lotscapes.com/tree_shredder1.jpg What doesn't make you stronger, kills you... Seriously, I don't really define the term any less loosely than I would any stylistic generalizations. Skip's reply above is quite good. Why do you ask, Terrell? Ask yourself- What Would Ren and Stimpy Do? ~ Caevan James-Michael Miller-O'Shite ~ _ ___ _ Leprechaun, Esquire _ ___ _ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pinkjimiphoton Posted May 17, 2011 Share Posted May 17, 2011 What is a Shredder? If someone can shred, does it make them a shredder or must they shred all the time to be a shredder? If they show a shred lick, then go back to holding the perfect note for 3 bars, are they still a shredder? Is shredder a positive or negative? i think it's taken negatively by some, in some cases with good reason. personally, i only consider the guys where that is their only/main bag in that category. guys that CAN shred are a different story than the ones where that's all they ever do, if that makes any sense. kinda like the diff between a gp doctor, and a specialist surgeon, i guess. one does all kindsa stuff, one only one thing, but that specialty is what makes them stand out in their field. it's weird, i generally kinda think of the one-trick ponys as shredders, but after chilling with you here, i think my perception/perspective has changed a bit. to me, just being ABLE to shred does not a "shredder" make. if that makes any sense. http://www.sweetrelief.org/ https://www.wepay.com/donations/memorial-stone-for-juliane-pocius Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terrell Posted May 17, 2011 Author Share Posted May 17, 2011 Why do you ask, Terrell? Because, it's a term that's thrown around constantly. I think, we think we agree on what it means. Because, when it's obvious it's very obvious. But, in reality we are all over the place about where the category starts and ends or whether it's a term of endearment or shame. I can accept there would be "good" shredders and "bad" shredders. What are your examples of shredders? I'm trying to figure out what I want to be when I grow up... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gifthorse Posted May 17, 2011 Share Posted May 17, 2011 I think it is someone who COULD potentially play fast difficult licks (in any genre). I don't think of it in a negative sense. Paul Gilbert is a very mature guitarist. He could play any style of electric guitar probably, and do it convincingly well. He can also play fast--we all know that. He is a shredder. But that word is so vague.. You could say a shredder is anyone who plays metal and places speed over music. But for myself that is misleading. I would rather say stuff like, "yeah that guy rocks. He can SHRED, but he can also play some tasty eclectic phrases." Is 'he' a shredder? Well, YES/NO.. http://flagshipmile.dmusic.com/ http://www.myspace.com/gifthorse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dvuksanovich Posted May 17, 2011 Share Posted May 17, 2011 I think a shredder is someone who is defined by speed. Big difference, IMO, between someone who can shred and a shredder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pinkjimiphoton Posted May 17, 2011 Share Posted May 17, 2011 i think dvuksanovich just nailed it ...well done!! those are the guys i think that gave the whole technique thing a bad name. http://www.sweetrelief.org/ https://www.wepay.com/donations/memorial-stone-for-juliane-pocius Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Electric Biscuit Posted May 17, 2011 Share Posted May 17, 2011 That's a grater, Caevan real men just jam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guitarzan Posted May 17, 2011 Share Posted May 17, 2011 i will now refer to myself as a Grater! http://www.soundclick.com/bands/pagemusic.cfm?bandID=193274 rock it, i will Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dane Brammage Posted May 18, 2011 Share Posted May 18, 2011 http://crujonessociety.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/shreddercard.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Werewolf by Night Posted May 18, 2011 Share Posted May 18, 2011 Yer grater 'n' anyone, 'Zan! That's a grater, Caevan FWIW (as much as anything here ), it was tagged as a "kitchen shredder"... but I digress... Ask yourself- What Would Ren and Stimpy Do? ~ Caevan James-Michael Miller-O'Shite ~ _ ___ _ Leprechaun, Esquire _ ___ _ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
d halfnote Posted May 18, 2011 Share Posted May 18, 2011 The term came up originally in terms of playing speed. Someone who could zip through licks or lines with machine-like facility. I think it carries no inherent perjorative sense. In fact, used alone, it would be a positive, since the ability to play fast is better than not being able to do so. The prob here is that it's often used (as in the concurrent thread) to describe players who may have no particular ability other than machine-like speed. FWIW, although it's usually applied to metaliers & prog-rockers, shredders have existed for a long time & in many genres, as well as on many instruments. Speedy West, Jimmy Bryant, Les Paul, Chet Atkins, Jerry Reed; Paganini, Liszt; Charlie Parker, Art Tatum, Coltrane... Dig ? d=halfnote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terrell Posted May 18, 2011 Author Share Posted May 18, 2011 Yer grater 'n' anyone, 'Zan! That's a grater, Caevan FWIW (as much as anything here ), it was tagged as a "kitchen shredder"... but I digress... I refuse to LOL and strictly refuse to ROF or LMAO!!! You are part of the problem here! Don't you see that? I will only chuckle or giggle inside... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terrell Posted May 18, 2011 Author Share Posted May 18, 2011 The term came up originally in terms of playing speed. Someone who could zip through licks or lines with machine-like facility. I think it carries no inherent perjorative sense. In fact, used alone, it would be a positive, since the ability to play fast is better than not being able to do so. The prob here is that it's often used (as in the concurrent thread) to describe players who may have no particular ability other than machine-like speed. FWIW, although it's usually applied to metaliers & prog-rockers, shredders have existed for a long time & in many genres, as well as on many instruments. Speedy West, Jimmy Bryant, Les Paul, Chet Atkins, Jerry Reed; Paganini, Liszt; Charlie Parker, Art Tatum, Coltrane... Dig ? For better or worse, I guess I will be a shredder then... I feel like the Bike kid in the movie Breaking Away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Werewolf by Night Posted May 18, 2011 Share Posted May 18, 2011 "Terrell... >dirn DIRn Dirn dirrnn< ...you'll be a SHRED-der, sooooon... !! Ask yourself- What Would Ren and Stimpy Do? ~ Caevan James-Michael Miller-O'Shite ~ _ ___ _ Leprechaun, Esquire _ ___ _ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dvuksanovich Posted May 18, 2011 Share Posted May 18, 2011 I support your shred-ness, Terrell. Maybe someday you can help me learn how to do it since I've never quite been able to get there on my own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
02R96 Posted May 18, 2011 Share Posted May 18, 2011 So, what do you call a fast keyboard player; a tinkler? :idk Dan "I hate what I've become, trying to escape who I am..." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terrell Posted May 18, 2011 Author Share Posted May 18, 2011 Washtub player is a Thump-er? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
d halfnote Posted May 19, 2011 Share Posted May 19, 2011 Those are just cheap jokes; this is serious: I think drummers should be rechristened. To increase their stature they might be called "drummists" (hey, that tactic worked for piano players). 'Course if y'view them with disdain they could be termed "drumbers"... d=halfnote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
desertbluesman Posted May 19, 2011 Share Posted May 19, 2011 Shredders... play lots of notes with no spaces of silence between the notes, and no long notes. dbm If it sounds good, it is good !! http://www.soundclick.com/bands/default.cfm?bandID=143231&content=music Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
02R96 Posted May 19, 2011 Share Posted May 19, 2011 But cheap jokes are the best kind of jokes! Dan "I hate what I've become, trying to escape who I am..." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Werewolf by Night Posted May 19, 2011 Share Posted May 19, 2011 So, what do you call a fast keyboard player; a tinkler? :idk Those are just cheap jokes; this is serious: I think drummers should be rechristened. To increase their stature they might be called "drummists" (hey, that tacrked for piano players). 'Course if y'view them with disdain they could be termed "drumbers"... Ask yourself- What Would Ren and Stimpy Do? ~ Caevan James-Michael Miller-O'Shite ~ _ ___ _ Leprechaun, Esquire _ ___ _ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
d halfnote Posted May 20, 2011 Share Posted May 20, 2011 See, Terry, being called a shredder may not be so bad after all ! d=halfnote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bartholomew Posted May 20, 2011 Share Posted May 20, 2011 Shredders... play lots of notes with no spaces of silence between the notes, and no long notes. I've been doing a lot of jam sessions in local clubs to get my chops back in shape & constantly see musicians who overplay - including out of key wanking and pretty much bs in general. Shredder = wanker is mostly due to amateurs trying to imitate the good players out there and not doing it right. There's no substitute for having good taste and playing in key. I personally think George Benson is the ultimate jazz shredder plus this guy below is pretty amazing - but have heard it all & gets boring after the first 45 seconds: [video:youtube] Been round the block but am not over the hill... http://www.bandmix.ca/jamrocker/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larryz Posted May 21, 2011 Share Posted May 21, 2011 If it sounds good, it is good...if it sounds bad, it is bad...really doesn't matter which technique you're using...anything that is repeated too many times in every song you play, is going to put people to sleep no matter how loud and no matter a fast and no matter how slow it is... Take care, Larryz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antimatter Posted May 21, 2011 Share Posted May 21, 2011 Why is it the skills of this Govan character leave me quite "meh", but someone like Tommy Emmanuel leaves me with goosebumps? Both have incredible skills, but there is a difference. What is it? Or am I alone; like a knocked up housemaid at the Schwarzeneggers? [video:youtube] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skipclone 1 Posted May 22, 2011 Share Posted May 22, 2011 I think what you`re referring to is taste-you know, the thing that there`s no accounting for. Personally I can listen to Both the above mentioned fellows and don`t really get sick of either. Now why is that-well so many discussions on this forum are technique this and technique that-in a way it`s a false paradigm to talk about gear and technique and ignore composition and, well-music. To me that is the difference. Even some of the players who are mentioned as greats, well they play well. But they have no idea about how to make music. It`s just a lot of technical flailing, and yeah after about half a minute I`ve had my fill. Many of those players get nowhere past the music community, until or unless they join a band, with some competent composers or arrangers. Same old surprises, brand new cliches- Skipsounds on Soundclick: www.soundclick.com/bands/pagemusic.cfm?bandid=602491 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitefang Posted May 25, 2011 Share Posted May 25, 2011 I've always assotiated "shredders" as those guys who play "power" chords really fast while heavily fuzz-toned, and playing that kind of metal junk heard on wrestling shows, or maybe Jerry Springer. I just can't bring myself to call Vladimir Horowitz a "shredder". Whitefang I started out with NOTHING...and I still have most of it left! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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