Jazz+ Posted February 10, 2008 Share Posted February 10, 2008 . Do you think this is good or bad music? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sa8Hi7Ea7Uk . Harry Likas was the Technical Editor of Mark Levine's "The Jazz Theory Book" and helped develop "The Jazz Piano Book." Find 700 of Harry’s piano arrangements of standards for educational purposes and jazz piano tutorials at www.Patreon.com/HarryLikas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KenElevenShadows Posted February 10, 2008 Share Posted February 10, 2008 Alphonse Mouzon "The Essence of Mystery" is the best "smooth jazz" thing I've ever heard. I ordinarily can't stand "smooth jazz", but that was sort of the beginning of it, where it's truly jazz, and still interesting. Some of you might know his name from Weather Report. Ken Lee Photography - photos and books Eleven Shadows ambient music The Mercury Seven-cool spacey music Linktree to various sites Instagram Nightaxians Video Podcast Eleven Shadows website Ken Lee Photography Pinterest Page Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GuitarPlayerFL Posted February 10, 2008 Share Posted February 10, 2008 I'd buy it. This is right down the alley of stuff I like these days. Music doesn't always have to be edgy or prove something. That's musical snobbery. I'd play this back to back with Al DiMeola stuff from the 70s. I didn't know Will Ferrell played sax. A Jazz/Chord Melody Master-my former instructor www.robertconti.com (FKA GuitarPlayerSoCal) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eric Posted February 10, 2008 Share Posted February 10, 2008 I like it. Jazz+, the forum is still waiting for you to grace us with your music. Are you a smooth jazz guy? When will you post at least an MP3 of your virtuosity? Thanks! Regards, Eric Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SK Posted February 10, 2008 Share Posted February 10, 2008 I wouldn't call this "bad" music. It's a little retro, smoothly played. It's just that I kept expecting to hear "and now for the local weather in your area." CD: http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/stevekessler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ITGITC Posted February 10, 2008 Share Posted February 10, 2008 It's just that I kept expecting to hear "and now for the local weather in your area." You harbor a bit of a mean streak. Don'tcha? "Music expresses that which cannot be put into words and that which cannot remain silent." - Victor Hugo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SK Posted February 10, 2008 Share Posted February 10, 2008 Really, no meanness intended. I probably need an honesty filtering program for my brain though. BTW, did you get that CD sampler yet? You can PM me if you did - thanks. CD: http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/stevekessler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eric Posted February 10, 2008 Share Posted February 10, 2008 . Do you think this is good or bad music? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sa8Hi7Ea7Uk . Still hoping to see some bonafide Smooth Jazz+ videos on YouTube or hopefully at least MP3s. Maybe he can join our Mid-Atlantic Hang and we can talk gear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Loving Posted February 10, 2008 Share Posted February 10, 2008 Too generic for me, I am afraid. "Forget it, Jake. It's Chinatown." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orangefunk Posted February 10, 2008 Share Posted February 10, 2008 Not terrible, but not exactly inspiring to me... it sounds exactly like 100,000 other smooth jazz tunes.. I don't get a sense of a great head or great chord progression from this.. I will however say they they sound like pretty good players... good players playing less than good music.. I like my stuff with a bit more bite, experimentation and atmosphere... Something like these http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YrHrY-j7rIk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeffLearman Posted February 10, 2008 Share Posted February 10, 2008 Nicely played, weak composition, derivitive. The rhythm part is little more than a platform for leads, like most smooth jazz. I would tire of listening to this kind of stuff pretty quickly. Live, I'd dig this tune, if it wasn't buried in a set of identical ones. Now, THIS is smooth jazz: In another thread, I misattributed this; it's Lee Rittenour. The audio track buzzes badly, which is a shame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orangefunk Posted February 10, 2008 Share Posted February 10, 2008 Yeah that kind of smooth jazz is at least tolerable Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eric Posted February 10, 2008 Share Posted February 10, 2008 I've always liked this song. I suppose this is smooth jazz... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_hi22Tp-uBg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zephonic Posted February 10, 2008 Share Posted February 10, 2008 Gosh, this debate is sooo old. Not feeling Boney James/Rick Braun, it sounds bland and unimaginative. But whatever you say of Ritenour, he can really play and always has the tightest groups. And Alan Broadbent...we shouldn't say anything about him, just bow our heads in silence. local: Korg Nautilus 73 | Yamaha MODX8 away: GigPerformer home: Kawai RX-2 | Korg D1 | Roland Fantom X7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orangefunk Posted February 10, 2008 Share Posted February 10, 2008 I've always liked this song. I suppose this is smooth jazz... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_hi22Tp-uBg Yeah its a great composition and really catchy... that was the stuff I listened to in my teens... along with old Bob James, CTI and all that... the smooth jazz is very much geared towards selling a "lifestyle" I think... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Horne Posted February 10, 2008 Share Posted February 10, 2008 the smooth jazz is very much geared towards selling a "lifestyle" I think... I think smooth jazz is very much geared towards ... selling. No guitarists were harmed during the making of this message. In general, harmonic complexity is inversely proportional to the ratio between chording and non-chording instruments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delirium Posted February 10, 2008 Share Posted February 10, 2008 >>> Is this smooth jazz good or bad ? no, it's all bad... I'd rather listen to the pop music. p.s. because of smooth jazz I hate sound of sax... ♫♫♫ motif XS6, RD700GX Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orangefunk Posted February 10, 2008 Share Posted February 10, 2008 yeah.. and that.. ;-) I think they are good players, although the cutesy emotive vibrato on the alto sax always grates on me.. It would be interesting to take them out of those environments.. I mean we already know what a killer pianist George Duke is for example.. and I have heard Ritenour doing RTF style fusion with Patrice Rushen before he became famous in his own right... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Horne Posted February 10, 2008 Share Posted February 10, 2008 >>> Is this smooth jazz good or bad ? no, it's all bad... I'd rather listen to the pop music. p.s. because of smooth jazz I hate sound of sax... Do you mean pop music where the eight notes are all equal and the harmonies are all diatonic? I very recently watched a performance on a well known late night talk show where the eight notes were equal and the harmonies were all diatonic. (The song writer\performer looked great, but the music was .... simple and uninteresting.) I'll take smooth jazz with harmonies that have a tad more color. No guitarists were harmed during the making of this message. In general, harmonic complexity is inversely proportional to the ratio between chording and non-chording instruments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mate stubb Posted February 10, 2008 Share Posted February 10, 2008 One of the problems that this type of music has for me is that there is no "tension and release". It just drones along on one level, putting my brain to sleep. That doesn't mean it has to be loud - the Lee Ritenour clip linked above is truly jazz. Moe --- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burningbusch Posted February 10, 2008 Share Posted February 10, 2008 Jazz+ you seem to care what others around here think about music you might play or enjoy. Why is that? I know I don't. Busch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delirium Posted February 10, 2008 Share Posted February 10, 2008 Do you mean pop music where the eight notes are all equal and the harmonies are all diatonic? I very recently watched a performance on a well known late night talk show where the eight notes were equal and the harmonies were all diatonic. you know very well that not every pop song is like that. They're usually diversified rhythmically and dynamically, have nice melody and structure plus good looking chick sing them... like this: you can leave... ♫♫♫ motif XS6, RD700GX Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Horne Posted February 10, 2008 Share Posted February 10, 2008 I always liked Joe Cocker. No guitarists were harmed during the making of this message. In general, harmonic complexity is inversely proportional to the ratio between chording and non-chording instruments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orangefunk Posted February 10, 2008 Share Posted February 10, 2008 I always liked Les McCann... To me this kind of smooth jazz just kills.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xVb2_V2OC4o Again, its derivative but its somehow more groovier than the video clip posted with Boney James et al... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProfD Posted February 10, 2008 Share Posted February 10, 2008 That tune could be the could be the soundtrack for smooth jazz. Contains everything I dislike about it and diminishes my appreciation for brass instruments. I realize those cats are making money moreso than an artistic statement. It keeps musicians employed. I cannot fault them in that regard. PD "The greatest thing you'll ever learn, is just to love and be loved in return."--E. Ahbez "Nature Boy" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverDragonSoun Posted February 10, 2008 Share Posted February 10, 2008 Smooth Jazz is great! I love the sound. I don't care about how its composed or the degree of difficulty. The bottom line is that I like the sound of the music and I get something that stirs me emotionally from it. Begin the day with a friendly voice A companion, unobtrusive - Rush Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orangefunk Posted February 10, 2008 Share Posted February 10, 2008 I guess people just gotta go where the money is... and its not in mid 60s eastern european free jazz... at least not atm I guess the smooth jazz people just kept watering down the jazz funk stuff of the 70s until it lost its funkiness and gained a glossy production aesthetic. I reckon good music could be produced in that genre though.. I'd say Pat Metheny's We Live Here could pass for smooth jazz though that somehow makes it sound like I'm berating it, which I'm not as its a lovely sounding CD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProfD Posted February 10, 2008 Share Posted February 10, 2008 Smooth Jazz is great! I love the sound. I don't care about how its composed or the degree of difficulty. The bottom line is that I like the sound of the music and I get something that stirs me emotionally from it. Sounds like stockholm syndrome. The cure is to take the stairs instead of elevators for a while. PD "The greatest thing you'll ever learn, is just to love and be loved in return."--E. Ahbez "Nature Boy" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delirium Posted February 11, 2008 Share Posted February 11, 2008 Smooth Jazz is great! I love the sound. I don't care about how its composed or the degree of difficulty. what sound? http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2007/08/boredcat-isbored.jpg ♫♫♫ motif XS6, RD700GX Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Pierce Posted February 11, 2008 Share Posted February 11, 2008 Hmmm. Kind of a weird question, really. I mean, for me there are only two kinds of music: Good and Bad. I like the Good stuff. I love Chuck Mangione, and I completely don't care if anyone else approves. My wife listens to smooth jazz radio as sonic wallpaper a lot. It often has a funk groove that I dig quite a bit. It rarely has melodies that do much for me, however. But the thing that's tough for me to get into is the keyboard parts of most of those tunes. They tend to be completely pad-based, either strings or new-agy synth pads. Just not my thing at all. And it's weird to me -- very often it's in tunes where a tasty organ or Rhodes would actually work better. But that's just me. --Dave Make my funk the P-funk. I wants to get funked up. My Funk/Jam originals project: http://www.thefunkery.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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