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    Roland V-Combo VR-09

    in The Keyboard Corner

    Posted

    Hi, I'm a VR-09 user and I have a little question for anyone...

     

    I know there's an upgrade for firmware (from 1.03 to 1.11) but despite all the sound improvements and the new rotary I don't want to apply it before ensure that the "hidden sounds", (those only accesible using MSB/LSB/PC MIDI messages) are still there. I'm aware almost every single user in this forum uses the VR-09 only as a clonewheel and don't care about synth tones, but I use them and I wouldn't like to loose those amount of tones (I have almost 200 new synth tones cataloged... I hope to finish collecting them as soon as possible and then I'll upload them to the forum ^_^)

     

    So, please, anyone who have done the upgrade to 1.11, can you try it and tell me if all those sounds are still accesible?

    It's needed to send to the VR-09 a MIDI message with a MSB bank/LSB bank/Program change... here some examples: (Specially interesting that "Lyric Soprano voice" and the "Jazz Flute")

     

    (PC are counted from 1-128. Remember to substract one if you send PC from 000-127)

    MSB:009/LSB:000/PC:50 --> Soprano Lyric Sing tone

    MSB:000/LSB:000/PC:85 --> Tubular Bells tone

    MSB:000/LSB:000/PC:71 --> Mandolin tone

    MSB:007/LSB:000/PC:99 --> Jazz Flute tone

     

    I hope someone can solve this question, because I really, really, REAAAAAALLY want to try this "Rotary Type 3" >_<

     

    Thanks a lot friends,

    D.

     

    Good find, thanks! The "hidden sounds" are all still there under the new OS 1.11! Now you can update your VR09 at ease. Enjoy the new Leslie 3 my friend!

     

    BTW: I had to set Midi In Mode 2 to make the MSB/LSB program change work.

    Roland V-Combo VR-09

    in The Keyboard Corner

    Posted

    Hi, I'm a VR-09 user and I have a little question for anyone...

     

    I know there's an upgrade for firmware (from 1.03 to 1.11) but despite all the sound improvements and the new rotary I don't want to apply it before ensure that the "hidden sounds", (those only accesible using MSB/LSB/PC MIDI messages) are still there. I'm aware almost every single user in this forum uses the VR-09 only as a clonewheel and don't care about synth tones, but I use them and I wouldn't like to loose those amount of tones (I have almost 200 new synth tones cataloged... I hope to finish collecting them as soon as possible and then I'll upload them to the forum ^_^)

     

    So, please, anyone who have done the upgrade to 1.11, can you try it and tell me if all those sounds are still accesible?

    It's needed to send to the VR-09 a MIDI message with a MSB bank/LSB bank/Program change... here some examples: (Specially interesting that "Lyric Soprano voice" and the "Jazz Flute")

     

    (PC are counted from 1-128. Remember to substract one if you send PC from 000-127)

    MSB:009/LSB:000/PC:50 --> Soprano Lyric Sing tone

    MSB:000/LSB:000/PC:85 --> Tubular Bells tone

    MSB:000/LSB:000/PC:71 --> Mandolin tone

    MSB:007/LSB:000/PC:99 --> Jazz Flute tone

     

    I hope someone can solve this question, because I really, really, REAAAAAALLY want to try this "Rotary Type 3" >_<

     

    Thanks a lot friends,

    D.

     

    I tried to send MSB/LSB/PC MIDI messages to my VR09. But no success. Need more instruction how to do it. Which channel must be used, which Midi In mode, etc?

    Viscount Legend Live Love Letter

    in The Keyboard Corner

    Posted

    jimkost2002 , i guess you're liking the live through the kp500s,

    how is the tone through this amp ? i've been seriously thinking

    about investing in one

     

    I can't speak for the Legend. But the Uhl X3 sounds killer through the KP500S. My guess is that the same is true for the Legend. Vibrant full stereo sound in spades. Need more volume? Crank it up. Need even more? Crank it up again... clear loud sound without end... don't forget your ear muffs ;-) I only regret that I didn't buy this amp earlier.

    Roland V-Combo VR-09

    in The Keyboard Corner

    Posted

    I don't like their system of having only 4 registrations in each bank. 10 would be much better. And I REALLY don't like having to use the wheel after bank 4. I find it fiddly and awkward. Worst of all, I hate the way that the VR wont accept midi programme change messages.

    Yes... whether from its front panel or via an iPad app, there is basically no way to quickly/accurately call up any presets after the first 16. That's one of the board's biggest irritations, of which there were too many, I ended up returning the board. But I have an FA-07 on order and am looking forward to playing with that, as it seems to address most of what bugged me about the VR-09. I do wish they had included drawbars on it, but at least I have an Ocean Beach module that I can use.

     

    The FA07 is a very versatile and good sounding board for sure. But don't expect to get the same good organ sounds like from the VR09. I owned both for a while, FA06 and VR09. In comparison the FA lacks quite a few features of the VR09 in the organ and Leslie sim department. Anyway, the Ocean Beach drawbar controller works fine with it.

    Any love for Kurzweil Artis 7?

    in The Keyboard Corner

    Posted

    Tom, does it sound like a loud shrill sine wave tone or just white noise?

     

    It's a very loud full level white noise hiss regardles of the volume slider position. It's shocking loud.

     

    A precautionary measure could be to not plug in anything to any of the backpanel jacks while the Artis 7 is switched on. But I am not sure about that.

     

    HX3 MIDI expander module

    in The Keyboard Corner

    Posted

    I am sorry to say that the XK2 doesn't fully work with the HX3 do to the NRPN and SysEx of the XK2. Most buttons work, you need to dial in the Rotary (Leslie) Control CC number and then the Drawbars do not control the HX3. Only Presets for the Upper, Lower/Pedal. Split works. I have an XK2 here that I sometimes use for testing.

     

    Using a midisolutions event processor would be a workaround for this. Not a cheap solution though.

    Any love for Kurzweil Artis 7?

    in The Keyboard Corner

    Posted

    I couldn't resist to keep playing around with the Artis 7 this weekend. But I was prepared and I turned the volume of my speakers down as much as possible to avoid damage in case the noise thing would happen again. And it happened again - in the very moment when I touched one of the connector jacks on the backside. The first noise attack had happened when I touched the USB port with a USB cable which was not yet connected to the PC. Conclusion might be that ist has someting to do with static charge?

     

    Leaving aside the noise attack problem the Artis 7 is definitely a keeper once the problem is resolved. I hope to get a replacement unit next week. Otherwise I would return it and look somewhere else since three month wait for repair would be unacceptable for me.

    Any love for Kurzweil Artis 7?

    in The Keyboard Corner

    Posted

    I've owned the Artis 7 since they came out. I've never had any "white noise" issue.

     

    Maybe Tom should have bought a used one!

     

    HAM&EGZ had his Artis 7 for a year before it happened to him. I was lucky that it happened at home and not on stage. This noise was like a explosion, not just a little hissing. It could have caused serious damage on stage. Let alone band members and audience.

    Any love for Kurzweil Artis 7?

    in The Keyboard Corner

    Posted

    If there was indeed a recall for this, or even if not a recall per se but a known issue, they should not be shipping any units out that have not been checked. That's surprising. Was this a brand new unit? (As opposed to used, demo, etc,)

     

    It was brand new. But I don't know how long it was in the store before I picked it up today. Before I made the purchase I asked thy guys in the store about the white noise problem. They didn't know anything about it. Unchecked units should not be sold if the manufacturer is aware of a potential problem!!! The dealers should get a warning or a recall, shouldn't they?

     

    Kurzweil did the exact same thing to me two years ago when I purchased a PC3LE which had the blinking problem. In this case the store likewise didn't know anything about it when I returned the faulty unit. I thought it was a exceptional case. But it was not. It simply is really bad business practice.

     

    BTW: A few days ago I was offered a used Artis 7. However, after I read HAM&EGZ' post about the white noise problem I decided to go for a new one with full warranty. A good decision obviously. The KC forum saved my ass! What a great community. You guys are priceless!

     

    Thanks.

    Any love for Kurzweil Artis 7?

    in The Keyboard Corner

    Posted

    I got my Artis 7 today. Played it for two hours and I really liked it (will explain later why I choose the past tense 'liked'). The key springs are (too) stiff indeed. But unlike the waterfall keys of the Nord Electro or Stage I found the Artis piano sounds really playable with this semi-weighted keybed. Not bad at all but softer springs would definitely do it good. Wondering why the Kurzweil folks are refusing this change ever since they created the same problem with the PC3 76 years ago... with softer springs I am sure this keybed would be the best available compromise between hammerkeys and semi-weighted keys.

     

    But then IT HAPPENED: all of the sudden my brand new Artis 7 produced A VERY VERY loud white noise and I mean really incredibly LOUD! I was completely shocked. First I didn't even know what happened. I tried to turn down the Artis volume fader but no effect. Only then I switched off my mixer. It was so damned loud that I am worrying over my Adam A7 studio monitors now. Really hope they are not damaged. WTF!!! My tom-cat also jumped from the sofa and shot out of the room. It's unbelievable, yesterday I read about this problem here and today it happens to me! WTF is the trouble at Kurzweil? What's going on in their quality control??? Really can't believe it.

    Any love for Kurzweil Artis 7?

    in The Keyboard Corner

    Posted

    I am sitting on the fence of getting a Kurzweil Artis 7. It seems to be a quite unique gigging machine which could help to reduce my live rig from three to just two lightweight boards. Right now I have a 88 hammerkey piano at the bottom, a waterfall keys organ in the middle and a synth keyboard on top. The Artis should replace both the bottom and the top board and maybe sometimes even the middle board (clonewheel).

     

    For me one of the Artis' main advantages would be that it supposedly loads PC3 user sounds. I have many great patches for my PC3X which I don't use anymore for gigging because of it's weight and bulkiness.

     

    But I heard that the Artis 7 has quite a few issues. Obviously Kurzweil or Soundtower never fixed these. Or does it meanwhile work properly with the software editor? Does it load PC3 programs easily and reliably?

     

    Another question relates to the keybed. I used to own a PC3 76 only for a very short time because back then I did not get along with it's springy keybed. Alledgedly the Artis 7 has got a newer generation of the Fatar TP8. Regarding key-to-sound connection it must be a big step forward compared to the PC3 76.

     

    Your advice is greatly appreciated, thanks!

    HX3 MIDI expander module

    in The Keyboard Corner

    Posted

    Just wondering why some HX3 owners are ready to upload demos of the C/V. I wish Mojo owners would do the same. This would help to compare the SOUND instead of discussing personal taste.

     

    I also owned a L100 and a Voce V5+. I find it ridiculous to compare the HX3 C/V with either of these. There is no comparison. Not a single bit.

    HX3 MIDI expander module

    in The Keyboard Corner

    Posted

     

    And thanks once again to Delaware Dave...for his bit of Devil's Advocate. CV has to be right or it's half an organ IMO

     

    By the way Dave strikes me as one of those guys who has been around Hammonds a while and knows a thing or two.

     

    A demo of the MoJo CV without Leslie would help to judge.

    HX3 MIDI expander module

    in The Keyboard Corner

    Posted

    That C/V is tamed? That C/V sounds like the C/V on my Voce 5+. It sounds more like V3 than C3. The C/V on the Mojo is more of a background purr and close to my '57 B3.

     

    Yes, I changed some C/V parameters to my liking for this kind of sound. You can hear the factory setting in TKN's file above. The many C/V parameters of the HX3 are individually adjustable. You can surely get all kinds of purr how you call it.

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