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I'll get right to the question at hand; has anyone here changed their plans, long-term or day-to-day, in response to the current Corona Virus outbreak? Have you passed on dinner out, a movie you wanted to see, visiting friends or family, going to religious services, or cancelled a paying gig, because of concerns about contagion? Are you thinking of changing other, upcoming plans, because of it? Has your school, workplace, place of worship, or community changed or cancelled anything?

(Not trying to bring either politics or religion into this, except as places & events where people gather. FWIW, there is a lot of concern in D.C. right now because a local religious leader has been confirmed with the virus, and he was distributing Communion at services recently. That's why I mention it at all.)

With Springtime coming, it's the season for outdoor concerts, farm markets, street festivals, all manner of public gatherings, never mind rallies leading up to the election. Shutting down public events can mean a substantial loss of revenue, which means less money for public health & safety. Those can be big decisions for places and venues that need the infusion of $$$ every season.

Self-quarantine only goes so far. Allergy season is about to hit here around D.C. - if everyone with a runny nose self-quarantines, there'll be no one outdoors except the foolhardy, and unfazed fatalists. I imagine there'll be a lot of otherwise healthy people running to their doctors at the first sniffle of Spring. Well, at least that will get more people tested, I suppose.

I expect we'll see more closings and cancellations, as this goes on, at least until there's a better understanding of how dangerous it really is, or isn't, and how quickly the situation changes. There are already indications that the virus is mutating into a less dangerous form, but it's not like you can check a box and choose which one you get.

I sure don't have any answers, just looking to see what others here in the Forum are doing, or experiencing, as this goes on. In the meantime, wash your hands . . .


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Well, I'm not going to that Pearl Jam concert or Coachella now...

No immediate change of plans for me. While it's good to be concerned, you don't have to become a kook about it. Just use some common sense.

I'm hoping it doesn't have an effect on smaller tours/concerts; and that events like ProgStock are far enough out (October) that most of this will have blown over by then. Of course, it could make an issue for bands coming in from other countries. Last year, IO Earth had to back out at the last minute due to visa problems; they're re-booked for this year, and I'd hate to have them cancel again due to something beyond their control.


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I'm not going to change any of my plans, although some of them have been changed for me. Harvard University has cancelled the concert we were supposed to do there next week. I'm expecting more cancellations in the following weeks. But I am not stocking up on toilet paper, because that strikes me as ridiculous. As Californians are urged all the time to have survival kits which will get us through several weeks without power, water, or food in the event of a catastrophic earthquake or wildfire, I have all the supplies I need on hand for the time being. Plus, you really can't survive for long on a diet of toilet paper. Other than losing some paying work, the only change for me is I am washing my hands more often, & pushing elevator buttons with my knuckles, & fist bumping.


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No change of plans per se, but I didn’t have any plans to attend any large gatherings beyond going to church on Sundays. But I should note that our diocese has decreed that the distribution of wine is stopping until further notice, as is passing the peace. They’re also discouraging the holding of hands during the Our Father.

In the meantime, I’m still going to groceries and restaurants, etc, like normal. No panic buying.


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I will be working out at the gym this afternoon, as usual. This coming Friday, Saturday, and Sunday I will be at the Lansing Deer and Turkey Expo, minus a lot of inventory (my last show a week and a half ago was excellent, and I am still waiting on shipments of new stuff that have been sitting in China and Korea that should have been delivered already). So no, I am not changing one single thing that I am doing. This coronavirus has been killing less people than the regular flu, and I don't become a hermit every year out of fear of the flu.


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There’s an international trade show I attend 2-3 times a year that should be coming up in a month or so. It will be interesting to see if it gets cancelled.


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The most important habit one can change is touching your face with your hands.

I was already good at opening doors without my hands, getting in and out of clubs with your gear will do that to you.

I've favored extablishments with automatic doors or doors that swing in both directions, both common up here.

Some doors can be opened with your elbow.

People are fairly cautious, reserved and polite up here anyway. Nobody is going to sneeze in your face.
And I've never been a fan of eating at buffets.

As mentioned, CV19 is a virus and viruses mutate into other forms, which is why we end up with a new flu vaccine so often. Where that goes remains to be seen.

Like it or not, this is now a permanent part of our lives. The long incubation period and the mild symptoms that many younger people exhibit make it impossible to diagnose before it spreads.
Before it gets better, it will get much worse.


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I have no plans to change my routine which pretty much the same everyday. Other than a farmer's market every week the biggest crowd I encounter is at Starbucks. I have thought about going to Long Beach to visit my father, I probably won't do that. I'm not afraid to fly, but I am concerned about getting stuck there if travel is restricted.


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No real change on my part, either. I may buy some more canned soups, that's about all. They're boring, but they last. Anything else, we already have.


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Thought I’d share this:
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I "snoped" the above quote from Abdu Sharkawy.
They deemed it authentic, spoke to him on the phone.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/abdu-sharkawy-coronavirus/

Viruses mutate, this is a fact. We don't know what the CV19 virus will mutate to but it will mutate.

Overly cautious may cause problems, lack of caution may cause problems, the best course of action lies in the middle.

It seems prudent to have sanitizing wipes on hand.
Don't touch your face unless your hands are sanitized.

Be aware that you can have it and transmit it for many days before your symptoms become noticeable or worse.

And realize that if everybody buys all the toilet paper, you may need some too.
Stores locally have been cleaned out but they do restock and you may be able to get an employee to get some for you.
A friend saw Costco run out at 10:15 am, I was in Fred Meyer (big store with an entire aisle of toilet paper and paper towels - ALL the toilet paper was gone.
They posted signs limiting customers to 5 packages each.

So we cannot ignore the overly-cautious and assume that life will not change. It will.


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Just got back last week from Vegas seeing a Dwight Yoakam concert at the Wynn on the strip (which was fantastic). Lots of people at both airports but I only saw 2 people wearing a mask at one of them. When we left, the parking lot was full. When we returned it was empty. I worry more about tourism, airports, boat tours, manufacturing in China, oil wars in Arabia and Russia, wedding/conferences/sporting events/ Olympics/ St. Paddy Parade/ cancellations, etc., (i.e. effects on our economy). Stock markets falling worldwide, countries shutting travel and borders, too much to list. I don't worry about myself or have any plans to change. I will avoid crowded areas until the virus subsides and things start getting back to normal. I just went in for a face peal and will have to stay at home and indoors for the next two weeks, so my self quarantine will happen just in the nick of time and I can't touch my face LOL! Now I'll have more time to spend with my guitar! cool


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One thing I've always done, guess I got it from my mom, is carry wet wipes in my backpack. I don't use air hand dryers and a lot of places have them.


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I cancelled my trip to Florida next week and used that money on Southwest Air to go home to NJ in the 2020 summer. Only because I got the flue 2x this year, so while I was in the last episode of the flue, I cancelled the Florida trip, for both.reasons and I did not want to transmit the flue to my family in Florida as well. Usually there are fewer communicable diseases in summer, so that trip will be less likely to cause another bout with any virus (More or less).


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My wife and I are going with friends to a Steve Hackett concert later this month in the Jacksonville area. In early April we're going with same friends to a large wedding in southern Georgia. We'll take the necessary precautions.


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Wife and I have booked a cruise from Vancouver to Alaska for late May. We are watching to see how things develop. I take Humira which lowers the immune system so as that time gets close we will consider if we go or not (assuming they do not cancel).

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The D.C. gov't has strongly recommended that any scheduled large public gathering, which they've currently defined as 1000 or more people attending, should be postponed or cancelled altogether. This order is in effect until March 31st. I expect we'll have more follow-up announcements well before the 31st.

One friend had a St. Patrick's Day concert cancelled, in part because it was in a retirement community, so a lot of high-risk residents would have been there. Other friends have already been instructed or permitted to telecommute. It's going to get more interesting before everything settles back down, and yes, I believe things will settle down once there's a better understanding of the virus, although I'm not waiting around for a vaccine to materialize: that could require a good base of recovered patients, to begin with.

I'm surprised we're not hearing reports of people stockpiling liquor?


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Originally Posted by Winston Psmith
I'm surprised we're not hearing reports of people stockpiling liquor?


Well, that's just my standard daily practice. Don't need a pandemic for that.


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Originally Posted by Scott Fraser
Originally Posted by Winston Psmith
I'm surprised we're not hearing reports of people stockpiling liquor?


Well, that's just my standard daily practice. Don't need a pandemic for that.

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Our liquor cart:
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Our stockpile:
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Not pictured: pantry or refrigerator contents...

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Glad to see someone is thinking ahead. As caterers, we have a ridiculous stash of wines and liquors, as well. Ironically, I've really lost my taste for it in the last year or so?

Here, FWIW, is the official statement from the D.C Health Dept. - I have to wonder how many places or events just squeak under that "1,000 or more . . ." line? Movie theaters, concert venues, IDK? How many people stand on a Metro platform waiting for a train during rush hour? The show we saw the other night was in a venue that holds just under 1,900 people . . . Almost every notable concert venue in the city holds more than 1,000 people.

DC Health Advisory
Wednesday, March 11, 2020
(Washington, DC) – DC Health recommends that non-essential mass gatherings, including conferences and conventions, be postponed or cancelled. Mass gatherings are defined as events where 1,000 or more people congregate in a specific location. We also recommend that any social, cultural, or entertainment events where large crowds are anticipated be reconsidered by the organizer. This recommendation is in effect through March 31.

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@ Winston, I haven't lost my taste for booze, but I have slowed way down this last year or so too! I drink about one beer or less a day and I keep at least 30 days in reserve at all times! I have a few bottles of hard liquor on reserve just in case I would rather have a jigger of whiskey... cool


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Despite that impressive display I posted, our family isn’t heavy into drinking. The three members of the family might combine for a drink in a typical week. It’s mostly consumed on special occasions and used for cooking. Those bottles are dusty AF.

But it IS always available for anyone of legal drinking age or express parental permission.

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I think I have about a dozen different single malt Scotches on hand at any moment. More than I have time to enjoy.


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Well, D.C. is pretty much shutting down all events, public gatherings and major concerts. Bunch of friends already report working from home, other local offices are advising people to take their work laptops home at night, in case there's an order to shelter in place.

Fortunately for me, my office is outdoors, and my officemates are insects, birds, deer and the occasional fox. My commute is generally a short drive in a Jeep filled with garden tools. No major plans until next month, so I'll see how things stand then.

@Scott - couple of years back, I worked my way through maybe half a dozen different bottles of Absinthe, with a Kazakh vodka as a palate cleanser. Not looking to restock anytime soon.


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Originally Posted by Winston Psmith
Well, D.C. is pretty much shutting down all events, public gatherings and major concerts. Bunch of friends already report working from home, other local offices are advising people to take their work laptops home at night, in case there's an order to shelter in place.
Fortunately for me, my office is outdoors, and my officemates are insects, birds, deer and the occasional fox. My commute is generally a short drive in a Jeep filled with garden tools. No major plans until next month, so I'll see how things stand then.


The last remaining gig in two upcoming tours this month just cancelled, so I'm not flying after all. That's a lot of lost revenue, for the musicians, hotels, airlines, venues, tech crews, eateries, etc. Multiply that by hundreds of acts getting cancelled worldwide & you have an economic s**tstorm, just in the music business alone. So, we basically lost recordings as a source of income over the last decade, now live gigs . . . . This is not good for music.

[/quote] @Scott - couple of years back, I worked my way through maybe half a dozen different bottles of Absinthe, with a Kazakh vodka as a palate cleanser. Not looking to restock anytime soon.[/quote]

In Prague some years ago, my lighting designer & I bought a bottle of absinthe, which was a banned substance at that time in the western world. We sat up one night, playing chess & drinking something which tasted as wonderful as an industrial solvent. I feel like that night took a couple years off my life.


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Today the first day with no MSL, MLB, NHL, NBA, NCAA.


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Originally Posted by Scott Fraser


The last remaining gig in two upcoming tours this month just cancelled, so I'm not flying after all. That's a lot of lost revenue, for the musicians, hotels, airlines, venues, tech crews, eateries, etc. Multiply that by hundreds of acts getting cancelled worldwide & you have an economic s**tstorm, just in the music business alone. So, we basically lost recordings as a source of income over the last decade, now live gigs . . . . This is not good for music.

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+1 Scott and SurferGirl

We just flew out to Vegas with 3 other couples to catch a Dwight Yoakam concert to celebrate my 3 buds and me turning 70. Hotel $200, Flight $350, Show $400 about a grand not counting cab fares...Got back on the 5th about a week before this virus sh*t all hit the fan...that was just lucky timing. Only saw two masks at the airports and the parking lot at the airport was pretty empty when we got back. Lots of tours are being cancelled, not to mention all the sports venues... cool


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I am not going to any places with large crowds until I get the vaccines for the flue and Corona Virus (Corona shot should be out in a year or so). I have an airplane trip planned back to NJ for the first week in August. & by that time the flue and Corona should be mostly over for the season. I usually do not get the flue shot, but next fall you can bet I will after 2 bouts with it this season (and it was ugly both times to say the least).


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My friend John just called me tonight. The governor in Ohio has declared an emergency:

The Governor’s announcement came on Thursday during a daily briefing, which also included an order banning mass gatherings of more than 100 people in an attempt to limit the spread of coronavirus.

“These orders would not have been issued if this was an ordinary time," DeWine noted. "This is not an ordinary time.”

This includes auditoriums, stadiums, arenas, large conference rooms, meeting halls, cafeterias, or any other confined indoor or outdoor space. This also includes parades, fairs, and festivals. #COVID19OhioReady #COVID19
— Governor Mike DeWine (@GovMikeDeWine) March 12, 2020


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Now it's affecting my friends, the World Surf League has canceled or postponed all events in March. I would be surprised if it didn't last longer. Most of the events are Q series, it's kinda like playing the 100 seat theater opposed to the 20,000 seat arena you just hope to make expenses. Ironically the one of the Championship series event canceled was to Corona open.

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Going out, and drinking Corona just to throw a middle finger at the world.


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The link is an interview with an experienced professional regarding the spread of infectious diseases and specifically Covid 19. I think it is important information and should be known.
It seems that while my advice to not touch your face won't hurt, it won't help much either. Be careful out there!!!
We were going to bring our own mics last night to our regular Thursday gig. The provided mics are used on Saturday and not again until Thursday. Metal grille is not a happy place for something to thrive.
We just turned them up a bit more and sang further back.

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Mixed bag of news from where I live, in Montgomery County. Maryland. The original 3 local patients who tested positive for the virus, after returning from a cruise on the Nile, have all recovered, are testing negative for the virus, and have been released from quarantine. FWIW, this was a couple in their 70's and a woman in her 50's.

OTOH, the Governor has now asked everyone to cancel events or gatherings of 250 or more people. Even some of the smallest local performance spaces have closed, of their own accord, places that wouldn't hold 250 people even if you knocked down some walls.


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Well, early this afternoon, while I was setting up my booth at the hunting show in Lansing, Michigan's governor declared one of those emergencies, cancelling events of 250 or more people. So, not only do I get to wave bye bye to about $5,000 in sales this weekend, but if the event cancellation lasts, not only do I not take in about $7,500 next weekend at a much bigger show, but I also get to lose the $250 for my hotel that is non-refundable. Oh well, I have 15 rolls of toilet paper here at the house, so there's one nice thing I don't need to worry about.


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Just had our Puerto Rico gig cancel, so at this point I now have no touring work until June. Just got off the phone with a studio client who was planning to fly to LA to mix her album here in April, but wanted a strategy in place in case there's no flying. Mix by Skype I guess.


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The latest info suggests that the virus is airborne, which means if you're close enough to bump elbows, you're probably close enough to be breathing the same air. It's not just a matter of washing your hands, at this point, although that's still worth doing. Being mindful of where you go, and how close you are to others is the primary concern now, if not for your own sake, for the sake of anyone less hardy, who might get it from you.

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Originally Posted by Caevan O'Shite
We hadn't changed any of our plans, but some of our plans have been changed for us... frown

ALL of our plans have been changed for us here!!!!
I am concerned because many smaller bars and restaurants are surviving month to month and may not be able to take the hit.

Which means that many solid connections may be broken and need to be re-established or have simply disappeared.


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Originally Posted by Winston Psmith
The latest info suggests that the virus is airborne, which means if you're close enough to bump elbows, you're probably close enough to be breathing the same air.

I'm still confused about this - mainly by the definition of "airborne". I think it's widely accepted that droplets from a cough or sneeze are required, which is generally not the same as an airborne disease. However, given the amount of time the virus can survive in a droplet in the air outside the body, I've been hearing it characterized as airborne. Maybe from a practical standpoint, it's just splitting hairs. But with all the hysteria, I think it's important to shed terminology and promote clear actionable information. So I would like very much to get clear data instead of terms like "airborne". (No criticism intended at all towards you - just like the rest of us, you're just trying to navigate the information provided and figure it all out)


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The main difference seems to be that an "airborne" virus can remain suspended in the air, as a dry particle, much like dust particles, or pollen, and remain viable in that form.


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I had Monday off for a funeral. Came to work today and found my building empty just me. Pretty quiet in a roughly 10,000 sq foot office with just me. Everyone who can work from home is ordered to do so. I car pool with a machine operator so I am here all day but working from home next few weeks. Jim

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We have 2 projects we wanted to work on and this seamed like the perfect time. We wanted to start a garden and plant some fruit trees and enclose our carport to make it a storage room and possibly another room in the future. Heavy rain and a flash flood watch have put that on hold. I'm really glad we went solar last year, it will really help us now with our reduced income. I took a voluntary reduction so my mom wouldn't have reduce, hopefully, anyone else's hours. With no utilities and no house payments we can get by for a long time.


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Yesterday I watched a news clip of kids on spring break, carrying on as if nothing had changed. Pissed me off.

I think the local authorities should have set up check points at the beaches, etc., and required ID for entry. The names and personal info would be logged, forwarded to a national database, and made available to health insurance companies and law enforcement agencies. Then, if they do get the virus, they can be made to pay out of pocket (no insurance coverage) for treatment.

Additionally, they can be criminally charged with, at the very least, reckless conduct.

Of course, this will never happen. It's just sad that we have so many entitled little sh!ts in this country.

There's a mantra I try to live by, which is: "One person's rights end where another person's rights begin".

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I have often said there’s no situation so bad that people can’t make it worse. But clearly, there are still people out there trying to make things better. And I’m not talking about the MDs, first responders, and so forth who are doing their jobs at levels above & beyond.

I‘ve noticed, as bad as things are and as bad as they will become, I’ve seen an increase in stories about regular people being kind to others. A gas station attendant paying for someone else’s gas; a young man letting the elderly woman ahead of him in line at the grocery take things she still needed from his basket; a husband & wife donating TP & sanitizer from their store to elderly people in their neighborhood; a guy running online D&D sessions for his (single mom) cousin’s kids to keep them entertained during their time in isolation.


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Originally Posted by Dannyalcatraz
I have often said there’s no situation so bad that people can’t make it worse. But clearly, there are still people out there trying to make things better. And I’m not talking about the MDs, first responders, and so forth who are doing their jobs at levels above & beyond.

I‘ve noticed, as bad as things are and as bad as they will become, I’ve seen an increase in stories about regular people being kind to others. A gas station attendant paying for someone else’s gas; a young man letting the elderly woman ahead of him in line at the grocery take things she still needed from his basket; a husband & wife donating TP & sanitizer from their store to elderly people in their neighborhood; a guy running online D&D sessions for his (single mom) cousin’s kids to keep them entertained during their time in isolation.
Commendable to say the least.


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No gigs. No Karate. Gym is closed. No reason to go out. Been staying home working. I’ve worked from home for a few years.

Also working on thumb pick technique quite a bit. The way you use the thumb pick on guitar is different than steel, Dobro and banjo. I’ve never used thumb pick much on guitar.

Not much use for electric guitar with no gigs. Really happy with my all mahogany Martin I bought last year. Been playing some Dobro and banjo for fun.

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I left my house yesterday for the first time since last Monday. I had a small yard clean-up to get to, something I could do without having to see or talk with anyone directly, and I knocked that out in a few hours. I'm very lucky that I can be outdoors, and still make a little money.

Our Gov. Hogan has asked people my age (60+) to just plain stay home, avoid everybody and everything, as much as realistically possible. FWIW, I've tried to follow his recommendation, as much as I can. I keep a stash of nitrile gloves and Clorox wipes in my Jeep, for contact with anything beyond my own front door, but in general, I'm staying home, and planning on staying home for the foreseeable future. Our dogs enjoy having us home with them, at least.

We've been doing a lot of house-cleaning projects, and I've been working more in my garden beds. I can sit in my backyard and play Guitar during the day, and at night, I can plug in with headphones. If nothing else, I'll get some new Music out of this.


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According to the News here in the UK if one person has the virus then can go on to infect 500 others.

Each of the 500 can infect another 500 and very quickly you have major problems.

Look up what has been happening in Italy and in Spain, the rate of rise of the death rate should scare the cr4p out of you.

A typical seasonal Flu epidemic is one thing but covid19 is approx 15x more virulent.

We are now in lockdown, the UK is closed, the only shops allowed to open are grocery stores, pharmacies and a few selected others. All this mandatory lockdown is because people would not follow the advice given last week and people treated the weekend as your college kids treat Spring Break.

Stay safe, stay home and if you have to go out stay at least six feet from everyone.

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It is not just an airborne virus, it can survive on surfaces and touching these surfaces can cause you to have the virus on your skin.

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I'll be staying in. My job has been cut down to one day a week for me, fortunately without cutting my pay. I don't have anyplace to be, no one depending on me for anything, and nothing to do besides watch TV and play my guitars. Speaking of which, I just bought a Recording King Dirty 30s in black and I'll be dinking around with it for a while. I wanted a small bodied 12-fret acoustic to get a more authentic country blues tone. It's very much like the $17 Sears Silvertone I started out on.

It's ironic to me; I couldn't wait to get an electric, and then a dreadnought acoustic because the sound of that Silvertone was so thin and plinky. Now, that's the tone I'm going for.
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The company closed my offices a few years ago but kept me on to do Operational and Economic Analysis. Not much has changed for me. I wake, turn on the computer and work, turn off the computer and sleep. No music gigs or Karate so I don’t get out at all. I’m going to gain 500 pounds. My wife works at a medical school and she is working from home. My daughter is a hospital nurse and says work has actually quieted down for now. She has fewer patients because they only are admitting patients who absolutely must be. I assuming the idea is to conserve bed capacity until the hammer drops and to limit further transmission.


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Yesterday, our Governor ordered all non-essential businesses to close. This is a much broader closure than previously.


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Three of the big hunting shows that I go to have been rescheduled for August. So, I guess there's a light at the end of the tunnel, and it's four and a half months away.


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I've been stuck inside the house for the last 2 weeks due to a face skin procedure where I could not be in direct sun. It felt great to be able to go outside and go for a walk these last 2 days. I'm retired, so staying at home is not a big deal. I hope and pray the sequestering ends soon so people can get back to work/normal and all of those that have tested positive with the virus get well soon and our first responders stay safe ... cool


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I still go out for a walk and I shop at a nearby location. They have disinfectant wipes at the entrances so I wipe my hands going in and going out.
Then I wash them again when I get home.

Plenty to do here so I won't be bored. For now, the world has changed. I am doubtful we will be coming back to where we left off, some of these changes will become stabilized as part of life.

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It's starting to get frustrating, the Governor and the the Mayor seem to be fighting to see who's in charge. It's hella confusing. I want to follow the rules I just wish I knew exactly what they are. But instead mixed damn messages.

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Basically, Spring has been cancelled here except for the weather. We are in the process of deciding whether to put on the theater production in May. Rehearsals are cancelled this
weekend. So is finishing up our independent film next week. So is our outdoor cherry blossom party, but apparently most of the local population ignored the metro government's advice and
gathered in the parks anyway. A spike in virus cases is expected. The last month of the school year was cancelled, our contracts don't provide insurance and I was told yesterday that
the city said no to offering any compensation. As of now school is set to open in April, but that could change anytime. I can't afford to lose more work. I'm trying to find something to
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I do not know what rubbish you folks watch or rather are fed by way of News over there in the USA but according to UK News and the appeal that the Mayor of New York has posted you are still a good few weeks away from the peak of the virus pandemic.

We here in the UK are two weeks behind Italy and we are still about three weeks away from our peak.

It is not going to be business as usual in April.

Information on what precautions to have in place on a personal level are out there, yes they maybe from a different Country but they can still be valid for you.

It is up to you to protect your family and yourself.

Assuming everything is going to be OK is fraught with danger.

Contrary to what you may have been fed the virus may not produce mild symptoms, we have had a health 19 year old girl die from contracting coronavirus.

If you take my advice research up on precautions and go OTT on them.

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I believe things are relatively better in the US than people realize. I was on a pandemic task force 10-15 years ago. Things may sound bad on the news but the possibility of an Avian Flu crossover had us scared to shit. The protocols and plans in place were established and refined in 2008. There are medical resource shortages but ... things would have been a hell of a lot worse if 2008 had not happened. There was a huge awakening in the US in regards to business continuity management as a result of 9/11/01. Those imperatives carried over into pandemic preparedness. It could have been worse.


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Eventually the non-hoaders are going to turn on the hoarders, then it's going to get nasty. I think some people are shopping every day and it makes hard on those of us who just get what we need. It almost forces us to become them just to survive.


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So far, while the panic buying is still in evidence, PEOPLE haven’t gotten crazy here in D/FW.

IOW, while I’ve noticed things like dry pet food (?) and tomatoes (??) disappear, there haven’t been any skirmishes. Civility still rules.

In the meantime, we’re using our pantry and freezer judiciously, and supplementing our usual purchasing pattern with some “just in case” items, like a couple containers of shelf-stable almond milk.

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Here in Arizona most of the stores have recovered from the hoarders all except for paper products. We have enough because we hoard TP automatically, we buy it in packages of 24 rolls at a time as a matter of course, even before the panic, so when the panic hit we got a second pack just in case. So we quit buying it, except for the wife's mother, who cannot go shopping by herself anymore, we got her a 24 pack at 6:00 AM on Tuesday this week. There were at least a hundred seniors in line at the Walmart ahead of us, (it was a seniors only hour from 6AM to 7AM) but they were all hampered with shopping carts, we could get down the side isles to the paper products in time to score a 24 pack, but there was plenty that day so no one seemed to get short changed while we were there. We were out the door before 6:10 AM TP booty in hand.

Otherwise here in The Phoenix AZ area the food stores are well stocked, although Trader Joe's will only let a few folks in at a time with a limit on how much they can buy, so even though TJ's is my go to food store, I avoid it until they lift the restrictions. I shop Sprouts Market instead for all my organic produce and other items. Sprouts Farmers Market stays open without restrictions except limits on the purchase of some things. All in all our stores are catching up gradually with no real drastic shortages here yet.


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I went to the store today and the only thing in the entire paper aisle was 4 boxes of Kleenex. They did have noodles for the first time in two weeks. Zero hot dogs, zero sausages, very little butter, only a few bags of frozen veggies. I ordered TP last week since I gave up trying find any. It's coming from China so 3 to 5 weeks. Fortunately we did buy some before it disappeared. Food items being gone doesn't effect me because l never buy food from a super market, only local and farmer's market.


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Sprouts Farmers market is in the following states with numbers of stores after each state;

Alabama (3) Arizona (42) California (126) Colorado (32) Delaware (1) Florida (23) Georgia (16) Kansas (5) Louisiana (1) Maryland (5) Missouri (3) North Carolina (5) New Jersey (1) New Mexico (9) Nevada (13) Oklahoma (11) Pennsylvania (2) South Carolina (1) Tennessee (6) Texas (47) Utah (5) Virginia (1) Washington (4)


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Here in the suburbs of Detroit, it's kind of funny to see what items have been selling out. I went to a nearby Sam's Club, and while the obvious toilet paper, tissues, and paper towels were gone, they were also cleaned out of milk, eggs, and oddly enough, Bertoli's alfredo sauce. They had plenty of Classico tomato pasta sauce, but there was no pasta of any kind. Another store by my house was cleaned out of every kind of pasta except for lasagna. And that store had no loaves of bread available, and their meat inventory was quite depleted. Now, I can see wanting to buy up a lot of hand sanitizer and disinfectant, but come on, we are not going to run out of cows and chickens. And I heard that somebody tried unsuccessfully to return a big package of toilet paper at Costco for a refund. Sorry dude, but toilet paper is a UFO sale: U F***ing Own it! LOL!


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Re: Somewhat OT: Staying in or going out?
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Originally Posted by desertbluesman
Sprouts Farmers market is in the following states with numbers of stores after each state;

Alabama (3) Arizona (42) California (126) Colorado (32) Delaware (1) Florida (23) Georgia (16) Kansas (5) Louisiana (1) Maryland (5) Missouri (3) North Carolina (5) New Jersey (1) New Mexico (9) Nevada (13) Oklahoma (11) Pennsylvania (2) South Carolina (1) Tennessee (6) Texas (47) Utah (5) Virginia (1) Washington (4)

I just got home from a trip to Sprouts. They were out of most of what I was looking for. Fine with produce, no pasta, all the bulk grains had been pre-bagged, & they were out of granola & rice. Thanks to the hoarders, who don't seem to know the virus doesn't stop food from growing, I couldn't get what I wanted.


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Re: Somewhat OT: Staying in or going out?
Winston Psmith #3035413 03/27/20 09:50 PM
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Our Sprouts is relatively well stocked but we are miles outside of Phoenix and the other little towns surrounding Phoenix like Peoria, Glendale, Mesa, Gilbert, Tempe, and the other outlying towns We are the farthest north and west in the Phoenix Metroplex in Surprise, so I guess there is a lot fewer people shopping here than Phoenix and LA.


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Re: Somewhat OT: Staying in or going out?
Winston Psmith #3035691 03/30/20 01:49 AM
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Everything we'd planned has gone by the wayside. Steve Hackett concert in Jacksonville, postponed, wedding in southern Georgia postponed until next spring and our trip to Savannah cancelled. As far as grocery shopping, here on the north Atlantic coast of Florida, it hasn't been bad. We have a local Publix that's very close to us, but they're not consistently stocked. We have another one farther away in the boonies which is about a half hour drive one way that is more consistently stocked. Paper products are the big problem. We're well stocked now. My wife does most of the shopping. I told her I'll give her a break and search for paper products tomorrow. In the meantime, I'm playing a lot and laying down a lot of tracks on my new DAW system which is working perfectly with my new laptop.

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Re: Somewhat OT: Staying in or going out?
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Suggestion from up here by D.C. - Dollar stores and little neighborhood bodegas hadn't all been cleared out of paper products, might be worth a side trip.

My wife and I went out in the pre-dawn hours yesterday, to see how the early-opening for Seniors looked at our two nearest grocery stores, to decide which one we wanted to try this morning. Food supplies are good, paper products are nil.

Right before everything shut down, I'd picked up a nice used Taylor 110CE, so I've been spending a lot of time in my backyard with it.

Quick addition: As of 8 o'clock tonight, Gov. Hogan of Maryland has issued what is essentially a Shelter-in-place order. If you're not shopping for groceries or medicine, or going to a medical appointment, stay home. I made my last trip to the store at 6 this morning, so I'm set for now.

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Winston Psmith #3035770 03/30/20 05:01 PM
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Don’t forget hardware stores carry some of that stuff, especially cleaning supplies.


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