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Subject: Tribute Bands

It seems there has been a plethora of tribute bands emerging lately. Many are performing at smaller concert venues and are fairly inexpensive.

Have you attended any lately and if so, share your thoughts here so we can decide which ones are good to go or which ones we should avoid:

I hear this tribute band (Pink Floyd) is good

www.houstonpress.com/music/in-the-flesh-a-brief-field-guide-to-pink-floyd-tribute-bands-7611808

Read more: http://talk-music.proboards.com/thread/4978/tribute-bands#ixzz5nFz4Asc5

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We get to see a lot of tribute bands here in the Phoenix Area. This area is populated with a lot of retired folks during the winter season (we year rounders call them snow birds) There are a lot of gated and open retirement communities in this area. Many of them have folks who work full time as booking agents for cruises, music shows, Bingo, we also have movies in the communities, and community sponsored happy hours, free ice cream days etc. We also have bands on the way down or re-vitalized bands with only a few original players/singers and some new talent under the original band names. All in all most of the bands we have seen did a credible job in recreating the look and the songs like they were presented by the original talent. So far I have seen "Catch A Wave" a Beach Boys Tribute, they were spot on. We also a Huey Lewis and The news Tribute band which were spot on (I do not remember the tribute bands name) We saw Electric Light Overture an Electric Light Orchestra tribute band, we were very disappointed with them, And over the years we have seen a half dozen or more that I can not recall right at the moment.

We also get mid level current country bands here. I do not go to any shows that my wife and sister in law do not want to attend. Personally I would not go to any of them, I simply go to watch over the gals safety, and sometimes I enjoy the shows, other times sitting through them is a chore.


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I play in one or two, and play on bills with others... but those are new wave era bands you probably aren't interested in...

My wife enjoys seeing them. We checked out Killer Queen from London here a few weeks ago. They had the visuals down... the guy looked so much like later Freddie Mercury and moved just like him, but vocally wasn't as good (who is?). The Fab Four comes through here every year... good Beatles tribute.

Tribute bands have become a big deal and a big draw... because when tickets to a Fleetwood Mac concert in an arena put you back $350 ea., hearing a band that gets very close in a 1000 seat club for $10-30 is a comparable bargain and less of a hassle all the way around.

And for younger people, a "cover band" that isn't a tribute or doesn't have a general theme ("60s," "80s," "Hair Metal," "Yacht Rock") is something they have little interest in... because there's no production values and... I mean, let's face it, there's too many instances of a bunch of guys who look like they wandered in off the street and climbed onstage hacking through overplayed simplistic covers they don't really know very uninspiredly... the novelty of "live music" is long worn off, it needs to be exciting and exceptional on some level. That doesn't mean it has to be overdone... look at the frenzy Blac Rabbit started by doing eerily good Beatles harmonies in the subway. There's a clip going around now of a guy in the subway with a Squier Strat and a backing track, doing a bluesy version of "It's a Man's World" by James Brown that's causing a sensation.

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I have respect for the tribute note for note bands. The bigger the venue, the better they are for the most part. I don't go out of my way to see them, but if I do, I have to like the genre and the bands they are imitating in the 1st place. I would go see certain bands even if they were not great at imitation but were great at playing and singing the music I like best. I wouldn't want to sit for 3 hours of any one band or artist unless the players were very good. I went to a Ray Charles tribute (not really a tribute band) based upon his material and had a great time. They guys were not trying to sound just like Ray (which nobody can do IMHO!). But, they were exceptional and put on a great show. I mostly like versatile music and not just one thing all night. The Cirque du Soleil in Vegas is a worthwhile all night all Beatles without the band show and was my best experience ever when it comes to tributes! cool

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Great point P90. Cover bands are not as interesting in my opinion as the tribute bands. Even the new Eagles which isn't a cover or tribute band isn't as good. You can't reproduce the sound of the original group.


Tribute bands don't try.

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Originally Posted By: DocPate
I hear this tribute band (Pink Floyd) is good

www.houstonpress.com/music/in-the-flesh-a-brief-field-guide-to-pink-floyd-tribute-bands-7611808

Assuming you're a Floyd fan in the first place, if you ever get the opportunity to watch Brit Floyd it would be well worth it. They are considered to be the gold standard in Pink Floyd tributes. They don't tour Australia, so unfortunately we miss out down here.

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Originally Posted By: p90jr
I play in one or two, and play on bills with others... but those are new wave era bands you probably aren't interested in...


Please, give us the bird's-eye low-down on your capers... cool


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Thanks, Caev.....

Say "hi" to Rocky Rococo for me, eh? wink

As I don't listen to a lot of radio that would advertise that type of entertainment coming 'round, and the local newspaper cut down to a three day a week delivery, I don't get "hep" to any tribute bands coming to town anywhere. The Canadian BEATLES tribute band The Caverners was the only "tribute" band I bothered to pay to see, and they were pretty good. But I haven't seen any others( so far wink ).
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Originally Posted By: CowboyNQ
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I hear this tribute band (Pink Floyd) is good

www.houstonpress.com/music/in-the-flesh-a-brief-field-guide-to-pink-floyd-tribute-bands-7611808

Assuming you're a Floyd fan in the first place, if you ever get the opportunity to watch Brit Floyd it would be well worth it. They are considered to be the gold standard in Pink Floyd tributes. They don't tour Australia, so unfortunately we miss out down here.



But there's the Australian Pink Floyd... PBS here has shows one of their concerts.



And you guys have The Church, who are as good as Pink Floyd, so go see them!!!

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Originally Posted By: Caevan O'Shite
Originally Posted By: p90jr
I play in one or two, and play on bills with others... but those are new wave era bands you probably aren't interested in...


Please, give us the bird's-eye low-down on your capers... cool


Well, it's playing a gig where the audience sings along to every word of every song and they're all excited and happy that you're playing, no matter where you play.

I've done Beatles tributes, Rolling Stones Tributes, Tom Petty Tributes... I was part of a gang of people here who played a classic album in its entirety every month...

I have friends who do the full costume recreation of a band's show thing and fly around the world every weekend doing shows.

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Originally Posted By: p90jr
But there's the Australian Pink Floyd... PBS here has shows one of their concerts.

TAPFS are undeniably excellent, however despite their name they are not Australian residents and never visit our shores.

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Is the TAPF band Gilmour era?

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Search El Monstero on YouTube - plenty of videos. That’s our local Pink Floyd tribute. I’d put them against anybody. Besides being very talented, they do full production including outdoor shows with Pyrotechnics, fireworks, and a helicopter flyover at the beginning of Another Brick in the Wall. They also do aerial acrobats, pole dancers (for Young Lust) and other theatrical elements.


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Originally Posted By: DocPate
Is the TAPF band Gilmour era?

TAPFS started in Adelaide, Australia back in the early 90’s as “Think Floyd”. I saw them back then and they were pretty much a pub covers outfit, albeit a good one.

Due to a series of serendipitous events they ended up in England, where they still reside. They still actively tour Europe and occasionally venture to the US. These days their show is a full production event. As the article you posted states they were once invited to play at DG’s birthday.

They do tracks from both the pre and post Gilmour/Waters split eras.

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I was hopping on a plane posting from my phone earlier. Home now, here are some El Monstero (St. Louis Pink Floyd Tribute) videos. Unfortunately they are all cell phone, but should give you an idea:

Shine On You Crazy Diamond (with aerial silk acrobats/dancers)



Dark Side of the Moon (1 version of their show is a full set of Dark Side and a full set of Wall)



Finally, a professionally produced video, but from the company who does all the pyrotechnics and fireworks, featuring El Monstero - nice collection of some of the production they do.




That's probably the biggest Tribute around here but we have also very successful tributes of Journey, Kansas, Tom Petty, Johnny Cash, Fleetwood Mack, Elton John, Iron Maiden, Ozzie Osborne, and a few others.

It can be fairly lucrative but unless you want to travel, you only have limited shows. Most guys will play in a couple tributes and fill the calendar with maybe 6-12 gigs a year, higher profile stuff, per Tribute, then fill the weeks in between with regular cover band stuff. Most of those guys in El Monstero also play in a Led Zepplin Tribute, as well as a cover band called Joe Dirt that does generic classic rock. Several members also come from other bands and do other tributes.


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I can`t say it`s my thing, but before I moved to Japan I got to know Rick Santoro-from the cast of the original `Beatlemania`-on a semipersonal basis.
I`ve done tons of covers but, maybe my disinterest is partly due to lack of opportunities. What tribute band could I possibly fit into-King`s X maybe, if I started playing bass full time.


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I thought Doc, that a "tribute" band tries as best as possible to not only SOUND like the band they're "tributing". but also present that band's more notable tunes in the manner that band being "tributed" played them too. In this case, that "Dead" tribute band actually DID die! wink

"Morning Dew" was one of the songs me and the first "real" band I was in played to death in late '67.

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@Fang. I guess we should agree on the definition of a "Tribute" vs "Cover" band. I've always differentiated between the two by the music they play. A tribute band might play songs that were recorded by the original group but they also may insert original music that is a "tribute" to the original, i.e. similar in style and tone but original in lyrics and leads. A Cover Band only does covers of the original.

But that's my own definition. It's not something you find in the dictionary.

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The best tribute bands I've seen personally over the last 10 years have been the following:

House of Floyd- from San Francisco- saw them in Sacramento

Fool's Logic (Supertramp)- from Southern California- saw them at Feather Falls Casino, California

Classic Albums Live, which is an outfit based in Toronto that started in 2003 that hires musicians throughout Canada, U.S. and the U.K. to perform a multitude of classic albums, too many to mention. The one I saw was in Sacramento. It was a trio who performed Are You Experienced in the first set and an assortment of Jimi's stuff in the second. "Jimi" was a chap from Toronto, the other two from Southern California

Jason Bonham's Led Zeppelin Experience- saw them in Daytona Beach

The Music of Cream which I critiqued recently on this form.

As far as I know, all of these groups are still touring which tells me that there's still many classic rock fans out there. It's great to see a lot of young people at these events also.


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Originally Posted By: DocPate
@Fang. I guess we should agree on the definition of a "Tribute" vs "Cover" band. I've always differentiated between the two by the music they play. A tribute band might play songs that were recorded by the original group but they also may insert original music that is a "tribute" to the original, i.e. similar in style and tone but original in lyrics and leads. A Cover Band only does covers of the original.

But that's my own definition. It's not something you find in the dictionary.


Actually Doc, I've always thought the REVERSE: ie: A "tribute" band doing their best to both do songs and overall SOUND just like the OG's, and "cover" bands just doing the songs any which-way. You know....

Like The Beatles' "cover" of "Rock and Roll Music" not sounding anything like the Chuck Berry original. wink
Whitefang (PS: I'm still convinced that John Lennon, in The Beatles' cover, is singing, "BLACK beat" instead of "Back beat", and "you can't blues it." wink ) dig....


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I agree w/WF.

I only played in a band for one year. In 1968 I played rhythm guitar for the "Sanskrit Staircase". We were a "cover band" and played music by everyone from the Stones to the Temptations and always interpreted the music rather than playing note for note. I even convinced the band to cover "Key to Love" from the John Mayall "Beano" album. We played fraternity and sorority parties. I quit the band when some of the guys started doing drugs (I don't mean smoking a joint). It was the 60's.


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@Fang and Fred.

I can agree with that. So I guess I was thinking "Cover Band".

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@ Doc, I usually don't pay much attention to Tribute bands but here is one that is coming to a local venue that I could recommend and may attend:




cool cool cool cool


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I did see a Beatles Tribute band at Casino Arizona 10 to 15 years ago. I do not remember the name of that band but they were spot on, including the costumes/hair do's for each Beatles era, on up to The Sgt Pepper part. I do not remember if they changed their look after the Sgt Pepper look, but they did songs from each era in sequence. It was really a good imitation and I was suitable entertained/impressed.


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RAIN started out as "REIGN" in the mid '70's, and were probably the earliest of the Beatles "tribute" bands. And has grown from merely that to a constant travelling Broadway corporate production. And probably(by now) with enough stored revenue that there's NO excuse for them NOT to be "spot-on". wink

Oh, and FRED---Woulda liked hearing that band's cover of "Key To Love" smile
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I pulled the trigger on a couple of tickets as the wife said she would like to go and see Rain with me. We both grew up on the Beatles music and are looking forward to the show! I'll report back after June 5th!


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My best friend is in a tribute band to Neil Young called Young At Heart. They're based in Des Moines, Iowa, so I haven't heard a chance to hear them, though I know my friend is a good guitar player. He says the pieces jell and that they have good singers.

I've never played in a band paying tribute to one artist or band, although of course I've played covers of different people's songs. We learned the material and the signature riffs, but never tried to copy the original version slavishly. Sometimes we COULDN'T, because of the instrumentation or the keys our singers were comfortable singing in.

In fact, I used to think of cover bands as untalented hacks - "where's the creativity?" until I made friends in a cover band who did excellent versions of the songs, as close as possible. Made me rethink things, although I prefer to have the freedom to explore different versions. For example, I wouldn't mind doing Neil Young's "Down by the River" and maybe copy the original phrase from his guitar solo - sort of signature to the song - but certainly not his whole solo. In my hubris and shameless arrogance, I feel I could do a BETTER ONE, LOL; though of course that's a matter of opinion.

Not that I'm as good as Roy Buchanan was, but Roy played much better solos than Neil on Down By The River, and still kept the feeling of the song.

But I do think that if the original arrangement was really well crafted, or a guitar solo really memorable, it might be better to do that version than just some sloppy hack work version.

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I concur with the 'tribute' vs 'cover' majority opinion.
I hadn't thought about it until now but, if you're good enough
to re-engineer someone else's song...why do you not have your own song?
I should probably be seeing a therapist but, something about glomming on to someone else's
material gives me the creeps.


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@Eric,

I completely understand your desire to add your own ideas into an arrangement. IMO this is not "hubris" nor is it "arrogance", it's "musicianship"!

My acoustic Blues teacher, Jerry Ricks insisted that I play the music of Doc Watson, Mississippi John Hurt, Blind Blake et.al. exactly note for note, because the technique was contained within the tune. However, when we played electric blues, the emphasis shifted to improvisation. Of course, my Jazz Teachers emphasized creativity. In every case it was about applying theory and technique in the service of music.

I strive to "sound like me".

Afterthought: Blind Blake's stuff is a bitch
to play. Real knuckle busters!



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Originally Posted By: skipclone 1
if you're good enough
to re-engineer someone else's song...why do you not have your own song?
I should probably be seeing a therapist but, something about glomming on to someone else's
material gives me the creeps.


Because I'm a guitarist, not a poet. I couldn't write a song if my life depended on it.

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"If you copy, that means you ain't got nothing to say".
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In the movie "RAY" it was made clear that Ray Charles did start out being known by locals to be able to "sound like" this well known "star" or that, but he came to realize that HE wasn't being appreciated for who HE was, and then strived to find his own "voice". Which of course, meant in both singing AND playing.

Singer/actress Bernadette Peters once said she hated, in her early career, to be known(in some circles) as, "the next" this person or that. Saying, "Well, we already HAVE one of this or that person, so WHY in the hell do we need ANOTHER?"

I'd say that it might be better to shrug the idea of letting some musician be your influence, and instead let them be your inspiration. To me, it seems that would make it less likely for you to copy them too much. wink
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I don't know of any band I admire enough to want to try and play their stuff and only their stuff, note for note, every time I play out. I like to many artists too well to choose just one.

Besides, I am more interested in doing versions of songs I like MY way.

Just call me Frank Sinatra, I guess...


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Originally Posted By: picker
I don't know of any band I admire enough to want to try and play their stuff and only their stuff, note for note, every time I play out. I like to many artists too well to choose just one.


Most of the guys I know who do Tribute bands also do other projects, including a cover band, and maybe even other tributes. Especially if you don't travel, there isn't enough demand to play a Journey Tribute, for example, every weekend. You set up maybe a half dozen larger shows per year, and fill the time between with other projects. Most of the guys in our local Pink Floyd Tribute also do a Led Zepplin Tribute. One of them has an original band. Between them all, they come from 3 different local cover bands.

In my original progressive Metal band, half of them play in an Iron Maiden Tribute that does a handful of shows a year. Our drummer and the bass player from the Tribute have a cover band that plays regularly. So for the drummer - that's a tribute, and original band, and a cover band. That's pretty common.


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Good comments J. Dan. I've never been a performing player. I had a full time career in electronic engineering and now that I'm retired I'm playing the guitar more than ever and doing some recording projects. A lot of these musicians are doing what they feel they need to do just to play music. Whether it be in a bar or in a tribute or cover band, or whatever. It's very competitive out there and some guitar players and other musicians will do what they need to do to escape a desk job.


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A lot of these musicians are doing what they feel they need to do just to play music.

This is true, but if you truly love the music you pay tribute to, it's more than that. You're connecting with a large and appreciative audience who share your passion. And playing in very nice venues and hopefully getting well paid to do it.

Imagine a musician playing a wonderful classical piece as part of a symphony orchestra, or an actor getting a chance to play the lead in a Broadway production of West Side Story. Just because you didn't write the work, there's no shame in working hard to lovingly and respectfully recreate it for people who want to experience it live.

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Originally Posted By: J. Dan
Originally Posted By: picker
I don't know of any band I admire enough to want to try and play their stuff and only their stuff, note for note, every time I play out. I like to many artists too well to choose just one.


Most of the guys I know who do Tribute bands also do other projects, including a cover band, and maybe even other tributes. Especially if you don't travel, there isn't enough demand to play a Journey Tribute, for example, every weekend. You set up maybe a half dozen larger shows per year, and fill the time between with other projects. Most of the guys in our local Pink Floyd Tribute also do a Led Zepplin Tribute. One of them has an original band. Between them all, they come from 3 different local cover bands.

In my original progressive Metal band, half of them play in an Iron Maiden Tribute that does a handful of shows a year. Our drummer and the bass player from the Tribute have a cover band that plays regularly. So for the drummer - that's a tribute, and original band, and a cover band. That's pretty common.


Yep. So following this " I don't imitate other people" line of thinking... if you can have a spot as the guitarist in an established band, or backing up a well-known artist, you're going to force your playing on it instead of playing what has been a hit? Right...

My mother is a classical pianist. What a waste... she just plays note for note covers from centuries ago.

There's just musicians who play gigs and musicians who don't.

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Originally Posted By: Delta
A lot of these musicians are doing what they feel they need to do just to play music.

This is true, but if you truly love the music you pay tribute to, it's more than that. You're connecting with a large and appreciative audience who share your passion. And playing in very nice venues and hopefully getting well paid to do it.

Imagine a musician playing a wonderful classical piece as part of a symphony orchestra, or an actor getting a chance to play the lead in a Broadway production of West Side Story. Just because you didn't write the work, there's no shame in working hard to lovingly and respectfully recreate it for people who want to experience it live.


I have to say that when I play a song - even one I loathe like "Brown Eyed Girl" - in that moment it doesn't feel like a cover and I don't play it like one... meaning you find the passion in it and make it fun for yourself.

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My point was that guys who do this also have other creative outlets. You don't always have to put your mark on everything every time. I like to cook, and usually just wing it and come up with my own dishes. That doesn't mean that I refuse to ever follow a recipe. A tribute show is one thing, a cover band is another thing, and an original band is something else. No reason somebody can't do all three. They each have different rewards.


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My point was that guys who do this also have other creative outlets. You don't always have to put your mark on everything every time. I like to cook, and usually just wing it and come up with my own dishes. That doesn't mean that I refuse to ever follow a recipe. A tribute show is one thing, a cover band is another thing, and an original band is something else. No reason somebody can't do all three. They each have different rewards.


+1000

I was saying you'll find more people actively doing all kinds of those gigs than just doing one type...

I'm also thinking about growing up with a jazz musician dad and step dad, and hearing about how John Coltrane would wake up and go play a jazz brunch gig doing trad listener friendly stuff, then head to an orchestra pit and play charts for Broadway musicals... then when that was over he'd go to gigs in late night jazz clubs and push boundaries in that environment.

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Originally Posted By: p90jr
I have to say that when I play a song - even one I loathe like "Brown Eyed Girl" - in that moment it doesn't feel like a cover and I don't play it like one... meaning you find the passion in it and make it fun for yourself.

Precisely. I cover a song or two I don’t personally love but one should never short change the customer with a disaffected performance.

In saying that I personally wouldn’t play in a tribute to an artist I disliked. Way too hard.

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Sure. I don't think anybody joins any "tribute" band if they have no respect or liking of their music. Wouldn't make sense.
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I would submit that the terms "Tribute" and "Cover" are marketing tools to position the expectations of the audience. At least when I see a band advertised as a "Tribute" band, I expect to hear music written and recorded by the original. It may be rearranged but will be highly recognizable as the original's music. I would be greatly disappointed if the music by the Tribute Band included other band's covers or original music to the lack of the band that is being honored.

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I'll add another term to the mix: "Theme Band".

I used to play in an 80s band that we called a "tribute" to the 80s, but in reality, it was a Theme Band. We treated it similar to a Tribute in that we tried to cover the songs EXACTLY as the original, as well as dress and look the part. There are other theme bands out there as well.

So I would kind of define things this way:

Cover Band: play a mix of other peoples' tunes with varying degrees of closeness to the original and embellishments that suit the talents of the band.

Theme Band: Song list is limited to the theme and either played exactly as the original, or modified purposely to fit the theme - i.e. country versions of rock songs, acoustic versions of metal songs, reggae versions of pop songs, etc.

Tribute Band: Pick one artist and represent their catalog replicating as precisely as possible either their studio or live performances, including band members representing actual members of the original. i.e. in a Beatles tribute, members specifically play the parts of John, Paul, George, and Ringo, and sing/play the same parts they did.


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+1 Dan

So....what do you call this group?

http://www.maximumbands.com/bob_marley.html


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+1 Dan

So....what do you call this group?

http://www.maximumbands.com/bob_marley.html



Definitely a Tribute.


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Originally Posted By: DocPate
+1 Dan

So....what do you call this group?

http://www.maximumbands.com/bob_marley.html



A good Reggae band...that pays tribute to a great Reggae artist! cool


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Originally Posted By: CowboyNQ
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I have to say that when I play a song - even one I loathe like "Brown Eyed Girl" - in that moment it doesn't feel like a cover and I don't play it like one... meaning you find the passion in it and make it fun for yourself.

Precisely. I cover a song or two I don’t personally love but one should never short change the customer with a disaffected performance.

In saying that I personally wouldn’t play in a tribute to an artist I disliked. Way too hard.


I do not play a tune unless I really like the tune. The vocalist picks the material that he or she is going to sing. They also pick the key that fits their vocal range best. The backup band has to stay under the vocals. I like to be versatile so playing in a tribute band does not interest me. I do not like to play just like the record or note for note, so playing in a cover band does not interest me. Playing solo, duo or with like minded musicians is what works for me...I like country, country rock, rock and roll, rockabilly, jazzy standards, improvisation, arranging, etc. I like to have fun and enjoy having fun with an audience... cool


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Don'tcha just love semantics? laugh

I for one, would designate a "theme" band as one that plays a wide variety of songs by a wide variety of artists that address a particular or similar "theme". (subject matter, for lack of better....).

I'd possibly stretch it to "protest", "novelty" and/or "parody". all songs of course, addressing the same "theme". wink

Blame WEBSTER for this...... razz
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And sometimes the "themes" are religious and/or political.
Nothing wrong with that, as long as they're upfront about it, IMHO.

Please, I'm NOT trying to start any religious or political arguments. I hear enough of that everywhere I go, LOL.

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Here's another "concept", if you will.......

Jazz drummer LOUIS HAYES heads up an ensemble he calls "The Cannonball Adderly Legacy Band". Their playlist consists of tunes made popular by the late Cannonball, his arrangements and such, and the band includes a few alumni of Adderly's bands. Others might just call it a "tribute" band, but I thought the use of "legacy"(since whom they're "tributing" is dead.) a bit clever and more respectful. smile
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Originally Posted By: p90jr
Originally Posted By: J. Dan
Originally Posted By: picker
I don't know of any band I admire enough to want to try and play their stuff and only their stuff, note for note, every time I play out. I like to many artists too well to choose just one.


Most of the guys I know who do Tribute bands also do other projects, including a cover band, and maybe even other tributes. Especially if you don't travel, there isn't enough demand to play a Journey Tribute, for example, every weekend. You set up maybe a half dozen larger shows per year, and fill the time between with other projects. Most of the guys in our local Pink Floyd Tribute also do a Led Zepplin Tribute. One of them has an original band. Between them all, they come from 3 different local cover bands.

In my original progressive Metal band, half of them play in an Iron Maiden Tribute that does a handful of shows a year. Our drummer and the bass player from the Tribute have a cover band that plays regularly. So for the drummer - that's a tribute, and original band, and a cover band. That's pretty common.


Yep. So following this " I don't imitate other people" line of thinking... if you can have a spot as the guitarist in an established band, or backing up a well-known artist, you're going to force your playing on it instead of playing what has been a hit? Right...

My mother is a classical pianist. What a waste... she just plays note for note covers from centuries ago.

There's just musicians who play gigs and musicians who don't.


Your Mother probably doesn't think it's a waste. Just be happy that she's still playing. Music isn't just about entertainment. It goes much deeper than that.


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Sure. Classical music wasn't composed as musical guidelines, but intended to be performed verbatim. And another way to look at all this stuff( "note-for-note" v "loosely" covering...)----

1. Some are so full of themselves they think they can make the song BETTER by doing it more THEIR way...

2. They're actually not GOOD enough to do the song "note-for-note" and assuage their wounded egos by saying their fallen short efforts were intended( like Pee-Wee Herman claiming, "I meant to do that!" )

Plus, I don't think any classical pianist of healthy mind would purposely change the notes around in Rachmaninoff's 3rd in the presumption they can make it better. wink
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I like this version of Bach better than that note for note stuff:






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Oscar was the man! He could tickle that ivory like nobody else, and a lot of it was improvised. He was a great artist from Montreal. We have a plethora of tribute bands just south of us in Daytona Beach that play at an Atlantic Ocean beachside bandshell. Many of the artists they tribute to I've seen. There's one coming up in August that I want to see. A Doors tribute band called The Dirty Doors.


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I kinda think that p90jr meant the opposite of how you guys are taking his comment regarding his Mother's Classical piano playing...


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I would HOPE so!

And LARRY

Posting an OSCAR PETERSON clip is hitting below the BELT! cop

Loved that guy for decades. But more to the point....

Those guys didn't BILL themselves as a "Bach tribute band", did they? wink And too, WHICH Bach?

JOHANN SEBASTIAN?
JOHANN CHRISTIAN?
JOHANN CHRISTOPH?

Or one of his other 12 children? wink

They too, WERE after all, composers.
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@ Caevan, it's the great never ending note for note vs. improvisation issue. I think classical piano should be played note for note and it is a gift from above to those that excel at it. I think "tribute" bands should also play note for note. My musical interest lies elsewhere and I would rather listen to improvisation even when it involves classical and/or any band's take on an old tune. I still love the originals as well (on those that I love in the first place). cool

@ Delta, +1 Oscar is one of the greats! He can play classical anyway he chooses IMHO. thu


@ Fang, I never said anything about Oscar's trio billing themselves as a "Bach tribute band." Just making my point that classical can be improvised and in many if not all cases, I would rather listen to it that way. You will have to answer your own Bach questions as you know more about them than I do. The title of Oscar's trio clip is a "Salute to Bach" and that's what they were going for. The Bass and drums really come into play in the 2nd half and they do a great job of playing their "stuff". If you want to hear some great guitar takes on classical improvisation check out the Trans Siberian Orchestra.



Note for note? cool


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Originally Posted By: whitefang
And another way to look at all this stuff( "note-for-note" v "loosely" covering...)----

1. Some are so full of themselves they think they can make the song BETTER by doing it more THEIR way...

2. They're actually not GOOD enough to do the song "note-for-note" and assuage their wounded egos by saying their fallen short efforts were intended( like Pee-Wee Herman claiming, "I meant to do that!"
Whitefang


I know I've told this story before, but it speaks directly to WF's comments.

As I've freely admitted, I don't "Rock". I am a Blues and Jazz player. When I was teaching I taught some rock tunes to younger students who wanted them. One day one of my students brought in a lead sheet and a CD of Ozzie Osbornes' Crazy Train and asked me to teach it to him. I took the chart and CD home and worked through it. I taught him what I had come up with. I asked him, "Well, is that pretty close"? My student smiled and replied, "Actually, I think it's an improvement".

Several people have told me that they prefer my arrangement of When You're Down And Out to Eric Clapton's (my arrangement is much more melodic).

I have an arrangement of Leadbelly's Blackgirl that is light years ahead of Curt Cobain's, who like other "grunge" players was actually proud of being unskilled.

Do these things make me "full of myself"? I don't think so. I have invested years of formal study with four highly skilled and very demanding teachers and THOUSANDS of hours of practice into acquiring my guitar skills. Is it unreasonable or egotistical for me to take some pride in my accomplishments? Again, I don't think so.

Professional musicians are just flesh and blood human beings. They might play a solo one way on Monday and differently on Tuesday. Their musical thinking on any particular take may me a function of how much/little sleep they've gotten, which intoxicants they've ingested and when they last had sex.

Being famous and successful does not necessarily equate with skill or "talent". For example S.R.Vaughn was a brilliant guitarist. I really don't think his brother Jimmy is very good at all. I find his playing very predictable and sophmoric.


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Speaking of brothers: Chet and half-brother Jim


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We are a 4 piece band, guitars, bass, drums. If we tried to cover every song exactly as the original we would be severely restricted. We have no keys, no horns, no strings(except guitars and bass). My voice is what it is and I have hard time sounding like Bonnie Raitt, let alone John Fogerty. So we do the best we can within the boundaries we have to work with.


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Speaking of brothers: Chet and half-brother Jim


Way cool Doc. I was always a big fan of Chet. I admired him from first listen to the last. A real musical great.


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I kinda think that p90jr meant the opposite of how you guys are taking his comment regarding his Mother's Classical piano playing...
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You kinda think correctly.

Itzak Perlman, Andres Segovia... brilliant musicians or unoriginal copyists?

Brilliant musicians... same as Neil Young, in completely different ways. Listening to any of the three gives me the same joy.

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@ Surfer Girl, +1 you could get every note correctly played by every instrument in a great cover band and still not sound like Fogerty, Elvis, The Beatles, The Eagles, Janis, Jagger, Cocker, Willie, King, Taylor, Croce, etc. They all have a special voice and that's one of the reasons why they are all stars. If you do the best you can, the audience will appreciate it... cool

@ DBM and Doc, +1,000 on appreciation for Chet Atkins. He's still one of, if not, the best IMHO. cool

@ P90, Thanks for the clarification...I was with you until Neil Young LOL! cool

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Neil has written some beautiful songs that are timeless, IMO: “Only Love Can Break Your Heart,” “Lotta Love,” “Harvest Moon,” and I suspect he’s a far more nimble guitarist than what he’s decided to build the electric side of his persona on...

But he did come to mind as the exact opposite of a classical music. He’s a raw folkie and rocker who goes for the gut in trying to make listener feel something with his original compositions.

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Originally Posted By: p90jr
Neil has written some beautiful songs that are timeless, IMO: “Only Love Can Break Your Heart,” “Lotta Love,” “Harvest Moon,” and I suspect he’s a far more nimble guitarist than what he’s decided to build the electric side of his persona on...

But he did come to mind as the exact opposite of a classical music. He’s a raw folkie and rocker who goes for the gut in trying to make listener feel something with his original compositions.


Drifting sideways....

Neil Young is amazing. cool Damn. From Live Rust alone- performances of "Cortez the Killer", "Powderfinger", "Like a Hurricane", "Hey Hey, My My (Into the Black)"... Damn. Rock monoliths.


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Originally Posted By: surfergirl
We are a 4 piece band, guitars, bass, drums. If we tried to cover every song exactly as the original we would be severely restricted. We have no keys, no horns, no strings(except guitars and bass). My voice is what it is and I have hard time sounding like Bonnie Raitt, let alone John Fogerty. So we do the best we can within the boundaries we have to work with.


Sure, but then you guys aren't CLAIMING to be anybody's "tribute" band, are ya? wink So don't sweat it.

And FRED?----

One isn't "full of themselves" unless they CAN play something "note-for-note" verbatim, and with the same sound(or tone) but refuse to, thinking their version is "better", and not just a "variation on a theme". wink

And the whole NEIL YOUNG thing is subjective. Some think he's "amazing", rolleyes And others (like me) generally compare him to fingernails on a blackboard. He did a FEW tunes I liked, ("Cinnamon Girl" among them). But not enough on one LP to go running out to the store.
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Here's one of Neil's songs by a tribute band that is a tune that I like...However, I would not be interested in seeing Neil or a tribute band of his. I do not discount his talent or his contributions to our music world. Different strokes for different folks:




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Originally Posted By: whitefang





And FRED?----

One isn't "full of themselves" unless they CAN play something "note-for-note" verbatim, and with the same sound(or tone) but refuse to, thinking their version is "better", and not just a "variation on a theme". wink


Whitefang


I disagree. I was taught and strongly believe that the ultimate goal is to develop your own sound, your own voice. A MUSICIAN should endeavor to sound like himself, not like someone else. My attitude is a direct result of the genres I have chosen to pursue. Jazz and Blues place great emphasis on the improvisational abilities. Pick any Jazz standard and search for the title on YouTube. The results of the search will display dozens of performances, all of which will sound very different from the others. That's MUSICIANSHIP.

I would love to sound like Joe Pass, Barney Kessel, Bucky Pizzarelli et. al., but I steal ideas from them and make changes to them in order to reflect my own personal aesthetic. I steal ideas, but I don't copy.

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Here's one of Neil's songs by a tribute band that is a tune that I like...However, I would not be interested in seeing Neil or a tribute band of his. I do not discount his talent or his contributions to our music world. Different strokes for different folks:
cool


I know what you mean. I want to love Neil Young, for his passion, commitment, dedication, songcraft, etc. Yet, I really can't listen to out of tune vocals, & Neil sings out of tune.


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@Scott I get really annoyed with out of tune AND out of time players. When I was a young buck just starting out on guitar for real, I remember the frown from the older guys when I was a little behind or ahead of the beat. One (pretty famous who I won't mention) would begin to furiously stomp his foot to the beat when I was off time.

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One (pretty famous who I won't mention) would begin to furiously stomp his foot to the beat when I was off time.
cop idk cheers


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Originally Posted By: Larryz
Here's one of Neil's songs by a tribute band that is a tune that I like...However, I would not be interested in seeing Neil or a tribute band of his. I do not discount his talent or his contributions to our music world. Different strokes for different folks:
cool


I know what you mean. I want to love Neil Young, for his passion, commitment, dedication, songcraft, etc. Yet, I really can't listen to out of tune vocals, & Neil sings out of tune.


thu


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Originally Posted By: whitefang





And FRED?----

One isn't "full of themselves" unless they CAN play something "note-for-note" verbatim, and with the same sound(or tone) but refuse to, thinking their version is "better", and not just a "variation on a theme". wink


Whitefang


I disagree. I was taught and strongly believe that the ultimate goal is to develop your own sound, your own voice. A MUSICIAN should endeavor to sound like himself, not like someone else. My attitude is a direct result of the genres I have chosen to pursue. Jazz and Blues place great emphasis on the improvisational abilities. Pick any Jazz standard and search for the title on YouTube. The results of the search will display dozens of performances, all of which will sound very different from the others. That's MUSICIANSHIP.

I would love to sound like Joe Pass, Barney Kessel, Bucky Pizzarelli et. al., but I steal ideas from them and make changes to them in order to reflect my own personal aesthetic. I steal ideas, but I don't copy.

"Steal, but don't copy".
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Well, bear in mind Fred, that the discussion is "tribute" bands, which I suppose would include tributes to individual artists. And so then...

Who do you suppose would pay good money to see someone who claims to be an ELVIS impersonator only to find this dude comes on stage with a shocking orange MOHAWK haircut, and sings like SATCHMO? And would ELVIS feel honored?

I think not. eek And to go back and address the classical music thing.....

Years studied professional symphony orchestra musicians likely DON'T feel playing pieces "as written" is a "waste of time". Much of the classical(if not all) catalog is some of the most difficult and challenging music for any musician to play( and play well) that they strive for the achievement to do "verbatim" well. And another POV

I've been a "patron" of The Detroit Symphony Orchestra since '77, with certain personal situations causing me to cease attending concerts in the late '90's( and still the NEEME JARVI tenure). And you can bet the rent that I, and practically ALL those who went to a DSO concert of Beethoven's 9th symphony, preferred to hear Beethoven's 9th! wink Not somebody's idea of a "salute" to the work( if ya get my drift wink )

And I have to sheepishly admit that when in the bands I was in, we NEVER did "note for note" either. But it wasn't because we preferred to stretch our "creative legs" rolleyes But mostly because we weren't GOOD enough to, no matter how hard we tried! wink
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June 5th will go down in my personal history as it is the 1st time I have ever paid money (big bucks at $150 a seat for me and my wife) to see and hear a tribute band. They are Beatles impersonators that not only play note for note, they sing vocal for vocal, look for look, mannerism for mannerism, banter for banter, you get the idea...I'm truly looking forward to it and will report back after the show.


+1 on your comments Brother Fred. In the great note for note vs. improvisation discussions, I will choose improvisation every time. That is how I like to spend my musical time and I have always honored the jazz standard teacher that taught me that I-word. I was only with him 3 or 4 months back in '79, and have been on the trail of that self discovery ever since...he taught note for note on about 5 tunes so that you could sound more like him and get the chords and lead ideas (that came from his own improvisation). Then your job was to make it your own. It was the concept that led me to using scales and theory in my practice sessions. Then forget about them and come up with my own little lines...each of us must determine what we like or want to do with this beautiful instrument and with the music we like to play. It's how you spend your time that counts IMHO. cool


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McCartney played in New Orleans a few days ago. I told the wife we should take the kiddo, so she could say one day that she saw a Beatle in Concert. The wife's response was "which car do you want to sell to buy the tickets?"

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Y'know, it gets tiring when supposed intelligent people keep taking things OUT OF CONTEXT. like....

I never said anything against improvisation, only that it HAS no place in a "tribute" band or a classical recital. The only changes ever given a classical orchestral piece is, when a conductor gives his "interpretation", it goes no further than tempo, pause and rest changes that are SO subtle you'd have to be REALLY familiar with the piece to notice. Like for example.

Former(and late) music director of the DSO, ANTAL DORATI, although one of my favorite conductors, plays MAHLER'S symphony #1 WAY too slow for my taste. and on the other hand, revered Boston Pops conductor ARTHUR FIEDLER seems to race though most of what he's conducted.
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Originally Posted By: whitefang
Y'know, it gets tiring when supposed intelligent people keep taking things OUT OF CONTEXT. like....

I never said anything against improvisation, only that it HAS no place in a "tribute" band or a classical recital.

Whitefang


What the hell are you talking about?!!! No one has taken any of your comments out of context and no one has disagreed with your position regarding improvisation and tribute bands/classical repertoire. You argue for the sake of arguing.

BTW: Winston Smith has quit the forum, thanks to you. Winston and I have communicated via email and he told me that he was so disgusted by your argumentative posturing during the WF/Surfergirl conundrum that he quit. So, we lost another knowledgeable, experienced, highly skilled member thanks to you.

Winston was right. You're nothing but a godamned troll. I've had it. I'm blocking you. Go to hell!


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wow, that escalated quickly.

Back loosely on topic...

With regards to "making it your own" and improvising vs note for note - I don't feel like it's an "all or nothing/one or the other" proposition. There are varying degrees of "making it your own". Also you can do things like improvise a solo while covering the rest of the song note for note - after all, often the original artist will change things up live, no?

As Fang alluded to, I've far too often encountered people who just aren't good enough, or are too lazy to learn the song, so they half-ass it and use the excuse that they're doing "their version". This, of course is not always the case. The rule I kind of use with band mates is show me you took the time to learn it and can play it like the CD, THEN embellish it as you see fit. Seems to me that the best place to do that is in a solo, or maybe intro/outro, or just changing up the arrangement in some cool way.

For me though, my favorite way of "making it your own" is to completely transform it. Closest I've come in any band I've been in was a 5-pc acoustic band I was in. Most people think of acoustic bands being solo or duo, but being 5-pc we could do a lot including 5 part harmonies on the vocals. I played acoustic bass in that band, but we had 6 and 12 string guitar, mandolin, banjo, and occasionally a 6th on violin. (not all at the same time, we all played multiple instruments depending on the song). Anyway, we did some of what you might expect for acoustic music, but also did Rush, Daft Punk, One Direction, The Who, Rolling Stones, Soft Cell....you name it. The unifying element was the all acoustic part.

Here is an artist I really like who writes originals, but also has a ton of covers that she definitely makes her own. She uses looping software to build up all of the parts.

Hear Shaped Box



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@J Dan,

An excellent and insightful post.

Well said. Well written.


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@ Brother Fred, don't let the Fang get under your skin. He tires easily when dealing with us "supposed intelligent people" who have a different view point from his (no matter the subject). Just ignore him and no longer try to communicate with him as he will never get it once he is on his own tracks to nowhere. +1 As you say, he just likes to argue for argument sake. cool

@ J Dan, Have you ever heard the Stones or the Who or ? use banjos, acoustic bass 12 and 6 acoustics, resonators, etc. There are tribute bands that play from different genres (like bluegrass) but specialize in covering certain groups. I have seen solo artists specialize as well. You go with what you have got. Even if you can play note for note along with everyone in your band, you will never impersonate the lead vocals from those hit bands (some get close). Many people think those that improvise are too lazy to learn the originals or unable to do so. I know there are some that fit that category. But there are others that can do a great job/arrangement without ever learning the original. Tribute bands just do the best they can with what they have (this goes for cover bands as well)…+1 good post! cool

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To be clear, my examples were strictly with regard to "making it your own", not with respect to Tribute Bands, which I consider a different animal. I am in the camp that a Tribute Band by definition should try to replicate the artist in every way. And that DOES mean that if you're going to do a Journey Tribute, for example, you need to find somebody who can sound like Steve Perry.

Again, for the ones that make it their own, I would put them more in the Theme Band category, or just a plain old cover band if they have no theme or don't stick to a specific artist, etc. If you're a guitar-only band playing nothing but Duran Duran, you're a cover band that only plays Duran Duran songs. If you want to be a Duran Duran tribute band, you better have a keyboard player and somebody who sounds like Simon LeBon.


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Agreed J Dan, I covered that idea in my 5/27 post above. If you want to be a tribute CCR, Stones, or other artist tribute band "you need to find somebody who can sound like" [insert name]. Note for note back up is great, but it's not enough. cool


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Going to see Tribute bands is a cheap way to get a shot of what the band that they were paying tribute to, was like live. I saw a lot of those 60's bands in Philly during the 60's at the Electric Factory in Philly, The Arc in Boston and the stadiums in Philly. Sometimes they would have 4 or 5 bands in one night in some of the stadium shows. No tribute band nails it exactly like the originals, but some come close in their presentation. The tribute band shows usually are $20 a ticket, vs the real band in a reunion, at hundreds of dollars a ticket.

I do not have to see the real band as I probably did see them live in their heyday. I went weekly to see shows on Friday, Saturday, and Sunday nights. Even at colleges in Atlantic City and Toms River NJ.

Plus there was Reggie Edgehills bar in Atlantic City NJ. An all black bar on the north side of town. Many times me and the boys were the only white faces in that bar. But we usually sang some a-Capella outside which warmed the folks up to our presence. Reggie Edgehills was a venue that many of the soul groups played on their way down. So we got to see many of the Motown singing groups and Philly soul groups live right up front. it was great.


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https://www.raintribute.com/rain/?pixlee_album_photo_id=3990274 <---went to the show last night in Folsom California. You can check this link and find the Rain tour dates in your area. I would recommend this show to any Beatles fans out there (and even those that just kind of like the Beatles!). Show started at 7:30 and ended at 10:00 with a 20 minute intermission. The standing ovation was well deserved. Get tickets early as the price goes up quickly as each show sells out.

The note for note guys are going to love this band...they are spot on. How they can remember the non-stop tunes and lyrics is beyond me. I did not see any teleprompters. The group was a 4 piece and all of the performance was live. Then there was the 5th piece which was a guy on keyboard in the back on stage that could get all of the orchestra instruments, piano leads, effects, etc. The guys were multi-talented. Their lead vocals were very good (not exactly impersonators but very well done). The harmonies and backing vocals were exceptionally well done. The light show and live camera background shots was exceptional. The lead work and acoustic guitar work was spot on.


I normally would not go out of my way to see a tribute band but the reviews were solid and the wife and I grew up on the Beatles. The time and money was well spent. It reminded me of the Love show in Vegas but on a much smaller scale. However the Vegas Love show was taped while these guys are live. Either show is worth seeing at least once IMHO. That's my review... cool



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I was never a big Zep fan, so no interest here in attending a Zep Tribute band.


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The Local Pink Floyd Tribute I mentioned earlier, El Monstero is playing tonight at Hollywood Casino Amphitheatre - seating capacity 20,000 - to give you an idea of how successful this sort of thing can be. They are playing with "Celibration Day", the local LED Zepplin Tribute, which just so happens to be mostly all the same band members.


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Originally Posted By: Larryz
https://www.raintribute.com/rain/?pixlee_album_photo_id=3990274 <---went to the show last night in Folsom California. You can check this link and find the Rain tour dates in your area. I would recommend this show to any Beatles fans out there (and even those that just kind of like the Beatles!). Show started at 7:30 and ended at 10:00 with a 20 minute intermission. The standing ovation was well deserved. Get tickets early as the price goes up quickly as each show sells out.

The note for note guys are going to love this band...they are spot on. How they can remember the non-stop tunes and lyrics is beyond me. I did not see any teleprompters. The group was a 4 piece and all of the performance was live. Then there was the 5th piece which was a guy on keyboard in the back on stage that could get all of the orchestra instruments, piano leads, effects, etc. The guys were multi-talented. Their lead vocals were very good (not exactly impersonators but very well done). The harmonies and backing vocals were exceptionally well done. The light show and live camera background shots was exceptional. The lead work and acoustic guitar work was spot on.


I normally would not go out of my way to see a tribute band but the reviews were solid and the wife and I grew up on the Beatles. The time and money was well spent. It reminded me of the Love show in Vegas but on a much smaller scale. However the Vegas Love show was taped while these guys are live. Either show is worth seeing at least once IMHO. That's my review... cool

Some tribute bands are becoming icons themselves. I saw Rain about 25 years ago at the El Dorado County Fair in Placerville. Free with admission.




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@ Delta, My buddy saw them at the El Dorado County Fair in P'ville probably the same night you were there! He also saw them in SLT at a casino...The light show inside was just flat great at the Harris Center...How was it outside at the Fair? +1 I would call the Rain show Iconic! cool


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Originally Posted By: Larryz
@ Delta, My buddy saw them at the El Dorado County Fair in P'ville probably the same night you were there! He also saw them in SLT at a casino...The light show inside was just flat great at the Harris Center...How was it outside at the Fair? +1 I would call the Rain show Iconic! cool


They were just starting then, so there wasn't much of a light show. The music was right on, as we're the costume changes. I was with my wife and 5 year old son. I remember being very impressed, so I'm not surprised that they're still doing it 25 years later. As I've said before on this forum, the music of the 60s and 70s was something really special, and it's still being appreciated, even by millennials.


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+1,000 on the millennials Delta, I looked around at the audience at the concert and I could tell that all ages were represented (not just a bunch of grey hairs!). If you get a chance, check them out again some day. The show starts off slow and just continues to build...who knows I may go again next year! cool


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Originally Posted by Delta
[As I've said before on this forum, the music of the 60s and 70s was something really special, and it's still being appreciated, even by millennials.


Don't forget the music of the 80s, which is still hanging in there... and probably the most dominant of all.

I know I probably said something about it already in this thread and certainly on this board a few times, but rock music kind of boxed itself into a corner by getting too dark and antisocial in the 90s (while still craving and expecting popularity... ). It's no fun... I mean, it's sad that so many superstars of the 90s rock scene have ended their own lives... that's baggage to attach to the music but it's also generally not something people are going to put on to lift the mood of a room full of people. I've read things in the past month about how both Nancy Wilson and Sammy Hagar were frightened by the rise of the grunge bands after being around the people, saying "Man... they really mean all this stuff... they're not happy people." I mean, I love The Sex Pistols and their ilk, but they had a definite sense of humor running through everything (the joke was on all of us, in case you didn't notice). I don't think rock music, in general, has ever regained its balance of social relevance AND means of escapism. But that could just be me...

There's tons of new acts that I love, but large scale success is a hard thing to achieve these days.

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Originally Posted by p90j
Don't forget the music of the 80s, which is still hanging in there... and probably the most dominant of all.


Definitely!

I'm not in it anymore, but my old 80s Band is still going strong. You just have to make sure you do it right!

Here's a video from when I was in it. I'm on the left playing keys, and the Explorer:


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Great sounding band J. Dan! like


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I loved it too. Jim

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Awesome J. Dan... nice Fred Schneider vocals, too.

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Way cool Dan. Great stuff.


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Thanks everybody. Getting back to the topic, while we used to advertise it as a Tribute to the 80s, I would consider it to be a theme band, since we weren't paying tribute to a specific artist. A tribute to the artist has to nail that artist including matching the lineup, etc. A theme band has to nail the look of the theme, and I think try to nail the sound of the songs as close as possible with the lineup they have - more so than a typical cover band.

It's funny when we first started landing all the good gigs, other bands around town liked to rip on us and act like it's just because we were selling out and putting in wigs. Yeah, as if their band would be successful if they were only willing to put in a wig - that's it! In reality, that attitude was exactly why people were attracted to it in the first place. They were tired of bands taking themselves too seriously. Most people's first reaction when we first started (there weren't a lot of 80s bands back then....this was early 2000's) was to shake their heads, laugh, at first mockingly dance around, then legitimately dance around tell stories and have a blast. Light hearted fun celebrating the goofy styles and culture of the 80s. That's why I said "do it right" earlier. In a theme band like that, it's not enough to just play the songs well. Outfits are nice, but it doesn't stop there. Notice we had giant Rubik's cubes, Swatch watch, Mario, Simmons electric drum pads from the 80s painted with the Eddie Van Halen guitar paint job from 1984. Some gigs we would also have video and put on clips from 80s videos and movies.


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I noticed the Van Halen motif on the drums, thought that was damn cool. I'm in a covers band, not a tribute - like others I'd struggle playing songs from only one artist, or the ones I would happily do are a big ask wink

I also want to call out the very modest CowboyNQ who is part of a brilliant Pink Floyd tribute act - Echoes of Pink Floyd

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I like a lot of bands. But the most interesting tribute one for me is the one singing and showing Queen.
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Welcome Aboard Cindy Garcia! thu


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Welcome to the forum Cindy. I just watched a movie based on Freddy Mercury and Queen. Great music. Jim

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Welcome, Cindy! Not sure which Queen tribute band that is, but I know there are several.

Last week, we saw the Ultimate Queen Celebration with Marc Martel on vocals. They were hand-picked by Roger Taylor to be the "official" Queen tribute band. They go for the sound & stylings, not the look of Queen; though the guitarist (Pete Thorn!) did play a Red Special for the majority of the show. Martel nails Mercury's vocals; Thorn played very close to Brian May's stylings, but added his own flairs; the drummer was pretty close to Roger Taylor, and the bass player (when you could hear him) lived up to John Deacon's legacy.

But the overall sound... it was good for people who like drums & vocals; but rough from a musician's perspective. It was an outdoor amphitheater, and the show was postponed for a massive storm. It still spat rain throughout the show (but not bad; I've been in worse). Whoever was mixing sound was having it rough. The bass levels were always low, even on bass-centric tunes like Another One Bites The Dust. The guy was playing through an Aguilar stack; I should have been able to hear just from the stage, if not the mains, but could not. Guitar volumes were fluctuating all through the night. No amps were on stage, so Pete was at the mercy of the sound man. Martel played acoustic guitar on "Crazy Little Thing Called Love", but they didn't roll the acoustic volume up until half way through the song; and even then, not very high. There was a keyboard player who was heard throughout; but Martel also played an acoustic piano, which 1) sounded very boxy and bad; and 2) was not brought up in the mix most of the time until partway through the song. I know they were having a rough time dealing with the weather and delays; but to me, these were some pretty egregious errors. My son still loved it; I DID have a good time and appreciated the playing; just wish the mix had ben better. If they play nearby and are at an indoor venue, I would probably go see them again.


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