delirium Posted October 6, 2006 Share Posted October 6, 2006 So I bought SRX-11 to put it in my juno-g, and I play it through FP-5. I am a little disapointed to tell the truth. Is that really the best piano sound from Roland up to date? After an hour of playing I see problems with middle range, e.g in superior grand patch sounds a little like from the tube and it's very "metallic", plus in some other piano pathes (e.g rockFP) C2 tone "rings" quite loaud.... Low and high end sound OK though.And I use good headphones. does SRX requires some tweaking? thanks ♫♫♫ motif XS6, RD700GX Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jazz+ Posted October 6, 2006 Share Posted October 6, 2006 . Find 675 of my jazz piano arrangements of standards for educational purposes and tutorials at www.Patreon.com/HarryLikas Harry was the Technical Editor of Mark Levine's "The Jazz Theory Book" and helped develop "The Jazz Piano Book." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jazz+ Posted October 6, 2006 Share Posted October 6, 2006 . Find 675 of my jazz piano arrangements of standards for educational purposes and tutorials at www.Patreon.com/HarryLikas Harry was the Technical Editor of Mark Levine's "The Jazz Theory Book" and helped develop "The Jazz Piano Book." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delirium Posted October 6, 2006 Author Share Posted October 6, 2006 well, I want to use for both. Practice and recording plus gigs. By "from the tube" I meant the midrange tone has an "megaphone" quality if you know what I mean. What piano1 and piano4 is? I don't have listed such names. First is Suberb Grand e.g. In FP5 I use low touch settings and in juno I have: velocity set to "Real" and touch to medium. ♫♫♫ motif XS6, RD700GX Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lowerhodes Posted October 6, 2006 Share Posted October 6, 2006 I tried out the SRX-11 recently and did not like it but after a couple of days I bought it anyway to try in my own rig just to give it a chance. I tried it through different combibinations of speakers and via headphones and I agreee with your characterization of it's sound. Very disappointing. I am returning it tomorrow. Fender Rhodes (x4) / Wurlitzer 200A / NE3 61 / Motif XS6 / Korg SV-1 73 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delirium Posted October 6, 2006 Author Share Posted October 6, 2006 Originally posted by lowerhodes: I tried out the SRX-11 recently and did not like it but after a couple of days I bought it anyway to try in my own rig just to give it a chance. I tried it through different combibinations of speakers and via headphones and I agreee with your characterization of it's sound. Very disappointing. I am returning it tomorrow. Yeah, I'm returning it too. The juno-g grand piano is actually better then this, at least very even at whole range. I'm supriced that they sell that for 250$ or so. Should cost 50$ max. I may endup with Ivory virtual piano, because I see Roland and others only want to rip off people with money never giving fully satisfying product. ♫♫♫ motif XS6, RD700GX Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jazz+ Posted October 7, 2006 Share Posted October 7, 2006 . Find 675 of my jazz piano arrangements of standards for educational purposes and tutorials at www.Patreon.com/HarryLikas Harry was the Technical Editor of Mark Levine's "The Jazz Theory Book" and helped develop "The Jazz Piano Book." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delirium Posted October 7, 2006 Author Share Posted October 7, 2006 so I'm supposed to play forte all the time??? ♫♫♫ motif XS6, RD700GX Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jazz+ Posted October 7, 2006 Share Posted October 7, 2006 . Find 675 of my jazz piano arrangements of standards for educational purposes and tutorials at www.Patreon.com/HarryLikas Harry was the Technical Editor of Mark Levine's "The Jazz Theory Book" and helped develop "The Jazz Piano Book." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delirium Posted October 7, 2006 Author Share Posted October 7, 2006 Jazz++, for now I have only tested srx-11 on headphones, since thats the true sound.So far I was using FP5 on gigs through kc150, and piano sound is ok, at least it's even in all range, no "ringing" etc. but unfortunatelly it's not full enough and inspiring for me. That why I bought srx-11.And actually I can see potential in this card if that "megaphone" quiality of sound could be removed, and ringing of different tones. Probably as I see it Roland did that and put that sound to RD700SX, I'll go to GC and will test that. Also Fantom piano sound much better. ♫♫♫ motif XS6, RD700GX Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lowerhodes Posted October 7, 2006 Share Posted October 7, 2006 I don't think Roland is trying to rip people off. I think this just illustrates how different the same sample can sound depending on amplification/headphones/keyboard/module used, the technique of the player, their ears and what genre of music it's being applied to. I actually prefer the sound of my little ME-1 but I don't think that makes it better. Fender Rhodes (x4) / Wurlitzer 200A / NE3 61 / Motif XS6 / Korg SV-1 73 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7notemode Posted October 7, 2006 Share Posted October 7, 2006 A similar patch is on the 700sx. It is not a megaphone-like, but the sound is still there. To tweak it, I had to eq a 4db dip at 600hz with a Q of 0.5. I also warmed it up with a 3 db bump centered at 100 hz, Q of 0.5. I also had to make the velocity curve more heavy to favour the lower velocity samples. That helps. It also sounds better with a warm pad as a second layer played at a very low level. Hope that helps. 7notemode http://www.youtube.com/7notemode Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7notemode Posted October 7, 2006 Share Posted October 7, 2006 Oh, I forgot to mention. Here is a demo of solo piano of the 700SX tweaked as above. www.soundclick.com/7notemode and click on music link. or this link http://www.soundclick.com/bands/pagemusic.cfm?bandID=601831 http://www.youtube.com/7notemode Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Song80s Posted October 8, 2006 Share Posted October 8, 2006 great job ! You did an excellent job editing , which patch ? Superior grand ? Your runs are flawless, very nice Why fit in, when you were born to stand out ? My Soundcloud with many originals: [70's Songwriter] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jazz+ Posted October 8, 2006 Share Posted October 8, 2006 . Find 675 of my jazz piano arrangements of standards for educational purposes and tutorials at www.Patreon.com/HarryLikas Harry was the Technical Editor of Mark Levine's "The Jazz Theory Book" and helped develop "The Jazz Piano Book." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delirium Posted October 8, 2006 Author Share Posted October 8, 2006 yes nice, but why Roland couldn't do it in the first place? you pay 250$ and still need to work on sound? ♫♫♫ motif XS6, RD700GX Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jazz+ Posted October 8, 2006 Share Posted October 8, 2006 . Find 675 of my jazz piano arrangements of standards for educational purposes and tutorials at www.Patreon.com/HarryLikas Harry was the Technical Editor of Mark Levine's "The Jazz Theory Book" and helped develop "The Jazz Piano Book." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7notemode Posted October 8, 2006 Share Posted October 8, 2006 GregC,Yes I used the superior grand patch. I think the point is that it is nice to have the option of editing the sound to your personal taste. Jazz+'s comment about the speakers and the room affecting the the sound of the patch is a good point. http://www.youtube.com/7notemode Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delirium Posted October 8, 2006 Author Share Posted October 8, 2006 7notemode, I did adjustment similar like you did (eq a 4db dip at 600hz with a Q of 0.5. 3 db bump centered at 100 hz, Q of 0.5) and I must say the megaphone sound is gone... thanks for tip, maybe it won't go back to store after all I guess all patches on that card need to be tweaked that way. Stil question remains, why roland don't do this right in frist place. On harmony Central site this card got very low ratings because of that, megaphone thing many people complained about. ♫♫♫ motif XS6, RD700GX Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troy S. Posted October 8, 2006 Share Posted October 8, 2006 The EQ settings from patch 10 (BrightPop V/S) work very well when applied to earlier piano patches on the SRX-11. Fantom X users try this: 1. Copy an SRX-11 piano you like to a Fantom user bank2. Edit that patch, applying Effect 1 (EQ)3. Set the EQ as follows: 200Hz : +3dB 500Hz : -4dB 2500Hz : -4dB 8000Hz : +6db 4. Save I find it to be more expressive with less of the megaphone quality mentioned in a previous post. A pretty decent stage piano. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7notemode Posted October 8, 2006 Share Posted October 8, 2006 delerium, Roland gets so close, and then flubs it on a minor detail. As frustrating as their piano patches are, I still prefer them over anything else. Also, the SRX-02 has been universally trashed, but I really dig it. You just have to set the touch of the keyboard MUCH lighter than ususal. For instance, on the Superior Grand, I play on Medium touch +8. On the SRX-02 i play at Medium -8. I also scooped out 3db of bass at 100hz Q=0.5. That is a long way of saying that Roland flubbed another piano patch with eq problems and setting the velocity switch points wrong. The exact same issue with the SRX-11. My favorite combo with the Superior Grand is to add a low volume warm pad to it. Sounds great. http://www.youtube.com/7notemode Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delirium Posted October 8, 2006 Author Share Posted October 8, 2006 Originally posted by 7notemode: delerium, Roland gets so close, and then flubs it on a minor detail. As frustrating as their piano patches are, I still prefer them over anything else. Also, the SRX-02 has been universally trashed, but I really dig it. You just have to set the touch of the keyboard MUCH lighter than ususal. For instance, on the Superior Grand, I play on Medium touch +8. On the SRX-02 i play at Medium -8. I also scooped out 3db of bass at 100hz Q=0.5. That is a long way of saying that Roland flubbed another piano patch with eq problems and setting the velocity switch points wrong. The exact same issue with the SRX-11. My favorite combo with the Superior Grand is to add a low volume warm pad to it. Sounds great. You probably right, but Roland policy on that is a mistery... (what kind of logic they use ) I tested yesterday RD700SX in GC and after that SRX-11 tweaking you adviced I preffer SRX-11 over RD700SX. RD700SX has no deep that SRX-11 has. (unless RD700SX again reqires some tweaking ) BTW I don't see in my keyboard control ability to set to minus, e.g -8. I have 0-127 velocity plus default "Real" and medium, heavy and light touch. ♫♫♫ motif XS6, RD700GX Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOPBEEPER Posted October 8, 2006 Share Posted October 8, 2006 Unusually Jazz seems to be speachless. I are an *******(CENSORED) too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burningbusch Posted October 8, 2006 Share Posted October 8, 2006 Originally posted by BOPBEEPER: Unusually Jazz seems to be speachless. I can understand his frustration. Busch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delirium Posted October 12, 2006 Author Share Posted October 12, 2006 No, I thought the megaphone sound is gone, but not really. You can get used to though, but when you switch from "normal" sound you'll notice that immediately. It will go back to store. But with that tweaking ideas I managed to tweak original piano sound from juno and it sound really good now. ♫♫♫ motif XS6, RD700GX Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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