stu3284 Posted December 2, 2004 Share Posted December 2, 2004 Hello all,Can any of you people help me out. Where I live in england, I can't get Keyboard magazine (although all the Guitar mags are avaiable. I was after the clone whhel article in the current mag and bar paying a load for a subscription, could some one tell the top ten. Cheers Stu stu.robertson@blueyonder.co.uk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ITGITC Posted December 2, 2004 Share Posted December 2, 2004 http://users.belgacombusiness.net/hammond/images/xk-3add1.jpg Hammond XK-3 There were others, but according to the article, the Hammond XK-3 is the one that sets the bar. Is There Gas In The Car? "Music expresses that which cannot be put into words and that which cannot remain silent." - Victor Hugo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Federico78 Posted December 2, 2004 Share Posted December 2, 2004 Hi everybody, me too I can't buy KM because here at Palermo(Italy) I can't get it.I only wanted to know how was considered the leslie simulator of the XK-3 compared to the other clone's leslie sim especially that of CX-3 which I consider the best leslie emulation.Thank you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DafDuc Posted December 2, 2004 Share Posted December 2, 2004 Article's not here. I think I remember they weren't thrilled with the XK-3's leslie sim. They spoke highly of a number of boards. VK-8 won for bang-for-the-buck. B-3P got best overall. XK-3 maybe got best small board? Anyhow, I bought a used VK-8 ($850!) for my new church based on the review - LOVE it. Play pedal lines with a remote midi board, until we buy some midi pedals - that's probably next years budget. Anyhow, still very very cool. OLD church had an A-100 with 3 Leslies - nothing in the shootout could beat that. But the new church - well, it's got a pipe organ that's probably worth $400K, but that's just not the same, is it? Daf I played in an 8 piece horn band. We would often get bored. So...three words: "Tower of Polka." - Calumet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeT156 Posted December 2, 2004 Share Posted December 2, 2004 From what I remember, the XK-3 Leslie SIM is not quite up to snuff with the Korg CX-3 or the Electro's, according to KB MAG. I've been talking a little to people that have them and they say you can tweak the SIM in ways they never even thought of, so I wouldn't let that stop me from getting one. If you don't really like it, there's always the new MS 1771 Leslie, if you're wallet is deep enough. Mike T. Yamaha Motif ES8, Alesis Ion, Prophet 5 Rev 3.2, 1979 Rhodes Mark 1 Suitcase 73 Piano, Arp Odyssey Md III, Roland R-70 Drum Machine, Digitech Vocalist Live Pro. Roland Boss Chorus Ensemble CE-1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeT156 Posted December 2, 2004 Share Posted December 2, 2004 Web site hang, double post. M Yamaha Motif ES8, Alesis Ion, Prophet 5 Rev 3.2, 1979 Rhodes Mark 1 Suitcase 73 Piano, Arp Odyssey Md III, Roland R-70 Drum Machine, Digitech Vocalist Live Pro. Roland Boss Chorus Ensemble CE-1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coyote Posted December 2, 2004 Share Posted December 2, 2004 Dunno about the shootout.... I own an A100. So far IMO the best overall Hammondesque experience, for combined sound & feel plus modern sense, belongs to Korg's current line. For example, the preset keys. They're cool but they're also silly given the propensity for knocking against the B preset while playing. That sort of thing just doesn't happen on the Korg, yet the Korg delivers its presets in a way not uncomfortable to an experienced Hammond player. In any event, it's great to have so many god options available nowadays. I used to think I was Libertarian. Until I saw their platform; now I know I'm no more Libertarian than I am RepubliCrat or neoCON or Liberal or Socialist. This ain't no track meet; this is football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calumet Posted December 2, 2004 Share Posted December 2, 2004 I have posted many times on this subject, so I will say it again - the XK-3 is in a class by itself when compared to the VK, CX, etc. My band Thousand Houses: www.thousandhouses.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Federico78 Posted December 2, 2004 Share Posted December 2, 2004 Thanks to everyone who answered me , especially Mike that really went inside my question. Well I have already ordered an XK-3, I will riceive it the next week and I'm looking forward to put my hands on it! I've listen some demos of XK3 compared with CX-3 and Electro and I think the leslie sim of XK-3 is only slightly inferior to those of CX-3 and Electro. The only thing I don't like is that the XK-3 costs a lot more so I should have appreciated a leslie at least the same of best competitors. Anyway I think I will be very happy with the XK-3, a real leslie can wait without problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMcS Posted December 2, 2004 Share Posted December 2, 2004 Regarding the Leslie sim, this is just my opinion, but the "authenticity" is more dependant on the amp it is played through than anything else. If the amp can handle deep bass down to < 40hz, it will sound fine. The XK-3's digital Leslie sounds great through the lower unit of my Leslie 21 System and through the Crate KX80 and Ampeg Jet 12 I use, but the bass is "beefier" on the lower L21 unit. I currently have the Leslie 21 a little behind me and to my right, the other amps are a little behind me and to my left. If I couldn't hear the horn moving, I wouldn't be able to tell which is which unless I played deep bass notes and then there is only a slight difference. I have them both set to about the same ramp up/down speeds, resonance etc. If you need a new amp also, consider a lower unit first and add the horn unit later. Oh, and try some old 50's era tubes in the XK-3 you won't be disappointed, or if you are in a Deep Purple cover band, try Sovtek 12AX7LPS's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeT156 Posted December 2, 2004 Share Posted December 2, 2004 Federico78: Way to go, you ordered on already! Yes, the xk-3 is expensive, but that is a quality piece! If you're a serious organist, that's the one to have. I kinda like the Korg CX-3 for how inexpensive it is. Recently I saw one listed on EBay for $999.00 USD Store demo. Not a mark on it. But I think the Hammond is in a class by itself. You should have it for years. Enjoy the music. Mike T. Yamaha Motif ES8, Alesis Ion, Prophet 5 Rev 3.2, 1979 Rhodes Mark 1 Suitcase 73 Piano, Arp Odyssey Md III, Roland R-70 Drum Machine, Digitech Vocalist Live Pro. Roland Boss Chorus Ensemble CE-1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Federico78 Posted December 3, 2004 Share Posted December 3, 2004 Thanks again Mike and JMcS for your suggestions, very helpful for me that I'm moving my first steps in the Hammond's world. Fed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Analogaddict Posted December 3, 2004 Share Posted December 3, 2004 If you´ll be looking for a Leslie, don´t forget about the Motion-sound products. I wasn´t too thrilled with the Leslie sim on the XK-3, but when I tried it through a Leslie 122 it sounded amazing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed Coury Posted December 3, 2004 Share Posted December 3, 2004 Wow....8th street music (8thstreet.com) has a 10 percent email coupon out. Free shipping, with the coupon, the XK-3 would be $1800 -- 150 less than I paid! "Oh yeah, I've got two hands here." (Viv Savage) "Mr. Blu... Mr. Blutarsky: Zero POINT zero." (Dean Vernon Wormer) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kad Posted December 3, 2004 Share Posted December 3, 2004 I recently had a chance to spend some time with the XK-3. I thought it sounded fantastic, but I did not like the keyboard feel at all. To me, it felt very "spongy" - nothing at all like a real B3. Of course, no two players feel keyboard action the same way, and this is just my opinion. For what it's worth, I've been using a Voce V5 tiggered by a DX7 for years, and I love this setup. I think it's the perfect combination of great sound and great feel. I also run the V5 through a real rotating horn - an old MTI device called a Rotophaser. The combination of these three items is just wonderful... Kirk Reality is like the sun - you can block it out for a time but it ain't goin' away... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Synthguy Posted December 3, 2004 Share Posted December 3, 2004 I'm sure Eric wouldn't mind a little traffic. He is after all the moderator at the Clonewheel forum, and a link is in his sig. I'm sure you'll get plenty of advice. The main thing I gathered from the Keyboard Clonewheel shootout was that choosing one unit over another was down to being picky, since they were all very good. Even the E-mu organ module is good if you don't need full drawbar control, and it doesn't even have a Leslie simulator. I'd suggest that if there's one aspect that you want to be sure to nail, like growl in the lows or scream in the highs or distortion, go to Eric's forum as well as here if you can't get your hands on a unit to audition. This keyboard solo has obviously been tampered with! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Analogaddict Posted December 3, 2004 Share Posted December 3, 2004 Yup. Also, the people at speakeasy have a lot of stuff that can drastically alter the tone of any clone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fisheye Posted December 4, 2004 Share Posted December 4, 2004 Aside from the keyboard and controls, how do you guys rate B4 compared to the hardware clones? I use it, often with a Speakeasy preamp, and to me it sounds great. Not as great as the real thing, but I've never played B4 through a really fat speaker-cabinet, which I think is a big part of the sound. I do think the lesly-sim of B4 isn't great when fast. Also of coure, having the lesly-sim before the preamp is a bit weird. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nimmy Posted December 5, 2004 Share Posted December 5, 2004 The B4 lacks bottom end even through a real speaker cabinet. Quite disappointing that NIisn`t going to bring an update to fix this.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmieWannaB Posted December 7, 2004 Share Posted December 7, 2004 I do think the lesly-sim of B4 isn't great when fast. I have to agree. For the current compilation CD, I ran my B3 through B4 for the Leslie effect. (I live in an apartment and my neighbors aren't too crazy about my firing up the 122.) While the slow rotation sounded realistic, I wasn't all that pleased with the fast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Archived
This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.