Dr Teeth Posted August 24, 2001 Share Posted August 24, 2001 I have just know the novation synths. It has almost the same things that any other virtual analog synth, plus!! 7 effects per multitimbral part, a vocoder, and filter that Future Music qualified like SPECIAL... Why is not so mentioned like other brands? it lacks of something really important? Rebuilding My Self Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Bryce Posted August 24, 2001 Share Posted August 24, 2001 A fine question, actually. I like the Supernova. Nice sounding box. I, too, am surprised that it's not more popular. dB ==> David Bryce Music • Funky Young Monks <== Professional Affiliations: Royer Labs • Music Player Network Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gus Lozada Posted August 24, 2001 Share Posted August 24, 2001 Because it was FUTURE MUSIC the one which choosed it as the Synth of the Year... http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/biggrin.gif Oh wait.. Keyboard Mag also gave it a KEY BUY award (Jim aikin). Perhaps it's the price, since price list started @ $2,899 the cheapest and @ $3,399 the expensiest... But if you ask me which one I'd buy, i'll choose this one, followed by Virus Indigo... It really is a wonderful machine. ------------------ Gustavo G Lozada Moderador de: MusicPlayer.com/NuestroForo "La voz en Español en Música y Tecnología" GusTraX @yahoo.com Músico, Productor, Ingeniero, Tecnólogo Senior Product Manager, América Latina y Caribe - PreSonus at Fender Musical Instruments Company Instagram: guslozada Facebook: Lozada - Música y Tecnología www.guslozada.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Bryce Posted August 24, 2001 Share Posted August 24, 2001 Originally posted by GusTraX: But if you ask me which one I'd buy, i'll choose this one, followed by Virus Indigo... Why the Indigo instead of the Virus KB? Just curious... dB ==> David Bryce Music • Funky Young Monks <== Professional Affiliations: Royer Labs • Music Player Network Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gus Lozada Posted August 24, 2001 Share Posted August 24, 2001 Originally posted by Dave Bryce: Why the Indigo instead of the Virus KB? Just curious... dB Well... I worked for a while with the kb... Indigo just "looks" better... newer... But I'd find happines with the KB too... if asked http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/wink.gif Músico, Productor, Ingeniero, Tecnólogo Senior Product Manager, América Latina y Caribe - PreSonus at Fender Musical Instruments Company Instagram: guslozada Facebook: Lozada - Música y Tecnología www.guslozada.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Teeth Posted August 24, 2001 Author Share Posted August 24, 2001 prices prices prices.... every one's stop. Why buying gear could not be easier?... the fact is that I like the sound, and the nova laptop is $1000 new... And it's multi timbrical features I think is enough to put this synth en the climb(hey gus climb es cima?). so... are they usa made? Rebuilding My Self Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Teeth Posted August 24, 2001 Author Share Posted August 24, 2001 Dont you like future music gus?... by the way, i have just realized that I buy the magazines of the current month, but of the past year http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/smile.gif (I live in Guatemala) Rebuilding My Self Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gus Lozada Posted August 24, 2001 Share Posted August 24, 2001 Originally posted by LatinMusic: Dont you like future music gus?... by the way, i have just realized that I buy the magazines of the current month, but of the past year http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/smile.gif I don't know where NOVATION is from, Edgar. Let me check ! Climb... sort of "cima", yes http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/biggrin.gif Distribution of that and other European magazines has the same problem for LatinAmerica. They get TOO late. Perhaps we're that behind them since even one year late the information is still valid and useful. However even while I do really enjoy FM, Teclado Total and Computer Music, all of them in their spanish versions, I do still preffer UEM Magazines... I'm right here like at home. That's why I'm so excited with Chris Adams project about EQ en Español and other fresh ideas he has... Músico, Productor, Ingeniero, Tecnólogo Senior Product Manager, América Latina y Caribe - PreSonus at Fender Musical Instruments Company Instagram: guslozada Facebook: Lozada - Música y Tecnología www.guslozada.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Teeth Posted August 24, 2001 Author Share Posted August 24, 2001 Teclado Tota? Is it keyboard in spanis??? Where it is printed? Ahora sos hasta profe de inglés mano!! http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/biggrin.gif Rebuilding My Self Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctor Frankensteinway Posted August 24, 2001 Share Posted August 24, 2001 Oh! Oh! Yes! Nova's are great! My Nova is green and only has 89,000 miles on it. It's a 1974 Nova. That would have been the peak year for those little 6-cylinder engine. Engines that would run forever, wouldn't they? So what if girls laughed at you. They were gonna laugh eventually when I said I was a keyboard player and talked about the size of my organ, right? Some years back though my Uncle Crzchzty and I went back behind his lumber yard and took the Nova and a Super Sport station wagon and merged the two. I liked the Nova so much, but it was impossible to tour with the B-3. Well, the B-3 would fit in the trunk, but there was no room for the Leslie 147 and the 122. And you need both to wipe guitar players from the stage. So the station wagon, I think it was a Chevy Impala Super Sport wagon, came apart real easy with the cutting torch. We took the back 3/4's of that and combined it with the Nova. Uncle Crzchzty is an artisan welder, having come from the old country where peasants had to fashion indoor plumbing from military equipment left over after the occupation. So now my Nova Superstation Wagon has plenty of room for the B-3, the 122, the 147 and assorted cables and stage clothes. The girls laugh at me no longer, let me tell you. Most turn away, some blush and scramble into shop doors. Others just stare. But they don't laugh anymore. Not when they see the size of my organ. Oh yeah? That's fine for you, you're an accepted member of the entertainment community. What about me? What about Igor? Marginalized by Hollywood yet again. I want my Mummy . . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gus Lozada Posted August 24, 2001 Share Posted August 24, 2001 Originally posted by LatinMusic: Teclado Total? Is it keyboard in spanish??? Where it is printed? Ahora sos hasta profe de inglés mano!! http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/biggrin.gif YEAP, right: TECLADO TOTAL. It is a Spaniard Magazine. It sports the KEYBOARD logo into his cover so I guess they are allowed to partially translate the UEM's KEYBOARD Mag (and the articles are very similar). You can know more about it right here: http://www.mcediciones.es/MC_2001/canales/mes_actual/musica/tecladototal/ English lessons will be invoiced separately than technology consulting, brother... ok? http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/biggrin.gif Músico, Productor, Ingeniero, Tecnólogo Senior Product Manager, América Latina y Caribe - PreSonus at Fender Musical Instruments Company Instagram: guslozada Facebook: Lozada - Música y Tecnología www.guslozada.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Bryce Posted August 25, 2001 Share Posted August 25, 2001 Originally posted by Doctor Frankensteinway: Oh! Oh! Yes! Nova's are great! I dunno - I hear that they don't go... http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/wink.gif Sorry, I couldn't resist... dB ==> David Bryce Music • Funky Young Monks <== Professional Affiliations: Royer Labs • Music Player Network Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goldberg Posted August 25, 2001 Share Posted August 25, 2001 You know what the biggest problem with these Supernova's and Virus Indigo, and JP-8000(va's if you weren't catching on) is polyphony. 8-note polyphony? What the hell is THAT? Seriously! I'm new to this, so reading about the Supernova got me REALLY excited, and then I found you could only have like 32-note polyphony if you upgraded. A better example is the JP-8000:that synth sounded SO cool when I was reading a description and then it said:maxiumum 8 note-polyphony. So, my question is:what do you use a VA for? The MS2000 sounds sweet, yes, but what can you do with 4 note-polyphony exactly? You can't use it for playback, so scratch out sequencing. "Bach is ever new"-Glenn Gould Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soapbox Posted August 25, 2001 Share Posted August 25, 2001 Personally, I find eight-note polyphony to be fine if Im not using a synth multitimbrally. After all, a thirteenth chord is only seven notes, and how often do you use that chord in synth music? The only other culprit that eats up polyphony that I can think of would be a damper pedal, and how often are you going to use that on a synth sound? Of course I understand that you can get away with using fewer keyboards if you use them multitimbrally. At least these days, its far easier than it used to be to track a keyboard and free up the voices. I hope thats some consolation... Enthusiasm powers the world. Craig Anderton's Archiving Article Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gus Lozada Posted August 25, 2001 Share Posted August 25, 2001 Originally posted by Striker1080: You know what the biggest problem with these Supernova's and Virus Indigo, and JP-8000(va's if you weren't catching on) is polyphony. 8-note polyphony? I just want to make it clear: I was talking about Novation SUPERNOVA. Not the basic NOVA. (Edgar, It seems the company is from the UK) The most basic SUPERNOVA II has 28 voices of Polyphony... you can upgrade up to 48... 8 part multitimbral. Virus Indigo has 28 voices too, 16 part multitimbral. So you can have them to playback sequences AND / OR use it only as a lead synth. Amazing machines... ------------------ Gustavo G Lozada Moderador de: MusicPlayer.com/NuestroForo "La voz en Español en Música y Tecnología" GusTraX @yahoo.com This message has been edited by GusTraX on 08-24-2001 at 09:09 PM This message has been edited by GusTraX on 08-24-2001 at 10:04 PM Músico, Productor, Ingeniero, Tecnólogo Senior Product Manager, América Latina y Caribe - PreSonus at Fender Musical Instruments Company Instagram: guslozada Facebook: Lozada - Música y Tecnología www.guslozada.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Bryce Posted August 25, 2001 Share Posted August 25, 2001 Originally posted by Striker1080: You know what the biggest problem with these Supernova's and Virus Indigo, and JP-8000(va's if you weren't catching on) is polyphony. 8-note polyphony? What the hell is THAT? Seriously! I'm new to this, so reading about the Supernova got me REALLY excited, and then I found you could only have like 32-note polyphony if you upgraded. A better example is the JP-8000:that synth sounded SO cool when I was reading a description and then it said:maxiumum 8 note-polyphony. So, my question is:what do you use a VA for? The MS2000 sounds sweet, yes, but what can you do with 4 note-polyphony exactly? You can't use it for playback, so scratch out sequencing. Disagree. You should hear what you can do with a monophonic modular and an analog sequencer. Tangerine Dream? Kraftwerk? Have you ever heard Switched-on Bach? Modular Moog - monophonic. Brother Striker, during the '80s, when synth bands were huge, 8 voices was considered to be an obscene amount of polyphony. Jupiter-8, Chroma, OB-8 - all of these are 8-voice synths. Most of the synths that are considered to be the nastiest of all time only have 1 voice of polyphony!!!! This is true of almost all of the synths produced in the 1970's, and people did just fine with them. How many conflicting sweeping filters do you wanna have coming out of one box? Sample playback is a whole different thing, but analog synth sounds tend to fill up space pretty quickly. Here's another way of looking at it...how many voices does a trumpet have? Clarinet? Sax? Trombone? Almost every instrument in the orchestra (okay, strings are a slight exception) is monophonic, and they're pretty expressive, doncha think? Guitar? Six voices. Bass? Four voices, but you only play one, maybe two at once. Drums? Usually no more than four voices (two hands, two feet) except for things like cymbal rolls... you get the idea... Since you've said that you're new to this and you weren't into synths during the '70's/'80s, you've probably been spoiled by the ROMplers. To me, the 16 voices of analog in the Andromeda is waaaay more than I ever dreamed of having. 32 voices of polyphony in the Supernova is insane. Besides, each one of these synths have a different character - especially analog/VA synths. it's a much better idea (IMO) to mix 'n match them, not to have all of your voices coming out of one box...I rarely to never use an analog synth in multitimbral mode. For that matter, I prefer not to use any synth in multitimbral mode...just a matter or personal preference. YMMV, dB ==> David Bryce Music • Funky Young Monks <== Professional Affiliations: Royer Labs • Music Player Network Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Bryce Posted August 25, 2001 Share Posted August 25, 2001 Originally posted by Dave Bryce: I dunno - I hear that they don't go... http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/wink.gif Sorry, I couldn't resist... Was this joke too obscure? Gus, I'm sure that you got it... dB ==> David Bryce Music • Funky Young Monks <== Professional Affiliations: Royer Labs • Music Player Network Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gus Lozada Posted August 25, 2001 Share Posted August 25, 2001 Originally posted by Dave Bryce: Was this joke too obscure? Gus, I'm sure that you got it... dB Dave... I understood it of course ! "No vá" = "Don't Go" http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/biggrin.gif Unfortunately this was not at Nuestro Foro... did you know that car actually had to change its name in a SouthAmerican country? Just because of its name... http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/eek.gif Músico, Productor, Ingeniero, Tecnólogo Senior Product Manager, América Latina y Caribe - PreSonus at Fender Musical Instruments Company Instagram: guslozada Facebook: Lozada - Música y Tecnología www.guslozada.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod S Posted August 25, 2001 Share Posted August 25, 2001 I got the joke.. There's an email that went around a few years back which listed 'marketing blunders' .. that was one of them http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/biggrin.gif Dave, good explanation on the polyphony issue... we take too much stuff for granted these days... Korg Kronos X73 / ARP Odyssey / Motif ES Rack / Roland D-05 / JP-08 / SE-05 / Jupiter Xm / Novation Mininova / NL2X / Waldorf Pulse II MBP-LOGIC American Deluxe P-Bass, Yamaha RBX760 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Bryce Posted August 25, 2001 Share Posted August 25, 2001 Okay, so the joke was just lame. That's what I was afraid of... http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/rolleyes.gif dB ==> David Bryce Music • Funky Young Monks <== Professional Affiliations: Royer Labs • Music Player Network Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felix_dup1 Posted August 27, 2001 Share Posted August 27, 2001 Not such a bad joke, Dave - just not a big reply-getter... What a crappy car, anyway. Yes, Novations are made in the UK. The Supernova II has 48 voices of polyphony (that's ALOT for a virtual analog). As to why it isn't more successful? Because it's virtual analog, which means it's not well-suited to making many bread-and-butter sounds that people demand now, like acoustic piano. So it's not going to have the success of a Korg Triton or Alesis QS8/QS8.1. Other factors that may keep it from being the bestselling virtual analog synth out there? High price and limited distribution, especially when compared to the Korg MS2000 and the Roland JP-8000. Also, since manufacturers got wise to the rising popularity of realtime control, and thus are putting knobs on everything (including ROMplers - thanks, Dave, for giving me a name to call them), some people get their "analog" fix from a non-analog-modelling board. That said, I think the Supernova II kicks ass and doesn't get the respect it deserves (in terms of sales figures). BTW - from what I understand, the Virus KB and the Virus Indigo are operationally identical - but the Indigo sure has sexier looks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Teeth Posted August 27, 2001 Author Share Posted August 27, 2001 I knew thqat nova is not comparable with triton or some sample based synth. I meant why is not the king of virtual analog. I like most the sound of the MS2000 But, Are really 4 voices enough????? you could only do a normal chord and one note in bass for a pad... at least the way i use pads is that, a chord and a very low note. The thing of the ms2000 is that it is supossed to have the best vocoder, and man!! that price!! Rebuilding My Self Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MusicWorkz Posted August 27, 2001 Share Posted August 27, 2001 I ahven't lusted for a keyboard since I bought my Roland D-50 years ago. The want the Supernova II and plan to get it. But as mentioned earlier, the price is just to damned high to justfy right now. Until in comes in reach of us earthbound mortals, it will remain a keyboard of the gods... Yamaha (Motif XS7, Motif 6, TX81Z), Korg (R3, Triton-R), Roland (XP-30, D-50, Juno 6, P-330). Novation A Station, Arturia Analog Experience Factory 32 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MusicWorkz Posted August 27, 2001 Share Posted August 27, 2001 http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/biggrin.gif This message has been edited by MusicWorkz on 08-28-2001 at 10:54 AM Yamaha (Motif XS7, Motif 6, TX81Z), Korg (R3, Triton-R), Roland (XP-30, D-50, Juno 6, P-330). Novation A Station, Arturia Analog Experience Factory 32 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mwisniewski Posted August 27, 2001 Share Posted August 27, 2001 Originally posted by Dave Bryce: Okay, so the joke was just lame. That's what I was afraid of... There's no such thing as a bad joke, just bad timing ... http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/smile.gif Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert U Posted August 27, 2001 Share Posted August 27, 2001 I have the Novation Supernova and I love the sound that I'm getting but: - The midi implementation sucks - It took for ages for them to relesase a decent OS. It was like when Supernova II came out they just had their priority on that one, forgetting the ppl who bought the old version...... -Robert Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coyote Posted August 27, 2001 Share Posted August 27, 2001 Just imagine, Dr. Moog is about to release a $2500. synth which is MONOPHONIC. No polyphony whatsoever! If this post is any indication, it'll be a horrendous market failure. As for the JP-8000, I rarely if ever encounter polyphony issues. But full polyphony is NOT what these synths are about; when you're playing the keys w/ one hand while manipulating filter knobs w/ the other.... oh never mind, I see others have responded w/ the same concept http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/smile.gif Originally posted by Striker1080: You know what the biggest problem with these Supernova's and Virus Indigo, and JP-8000(va's if you weren't catching on) is polyphony. 8-note polyphony? What the hell is THAT? Seriously! I'm new to this, so reading about the Supernova got me REALLY excited, and then I found you could only have like 32-note polyphony if you upgraded. A better example is the JP-8000:that synth sounded SO cool when I was reading a description and then it said:maxiumum 8 note-polyphony. So, my question is:what do you use a VA for? The MS2000 sounds sweet, yes, but what can you do with 4 note-polyphony exactly? You can't use it for playback, so scratch out sequencing. I used to think I was Libertarian. Until I saw their platform; now I know I'm no more Libertarian than I am RepubliCrat or neoCON or Liberal or Socialist. This ain't no track meet; this is football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felix_dup1 Posted August 27, 2001 Share Posted August 27, 2001 I agree that Polyphony isn't really the issue here... a bigger issue is price, and the "bang-for-the-buck" factor. After all, when you get into the price range of a Supernova II, it's competing with the Andromeda (assuming Andromeda becomes available again). Now THAT might be a tougher decision... Or Andromeda vs. Voyager... hmmm... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soapbox Posted August 28, 2001 Share Posted August 28, 2001 I was under the impression that Novation's products were very popular in Europe, sort of like Cubase is and Ataris used to be. The fact that there isn't much discussion of these things on this forum indicates to me that we don't have a high percentage of Europeans posting here. That would make sense since this forum is largely sponsored by American publications and Europeans usually read magazines like Sound On Sound and Future Music. Enthusiasm powers the world. Craig Anderton's Archiving Article Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IanD Posted August 29, 2001 Share Posted August 29, 2001 I am from the UK and I don't like Future Music, Keyboard is a much better mag (IMHO) the nova is a good synth but at £600 for a MS2000 i had to get one Ian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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