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djarrett

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Hey, Guys:

We all get and read Drum!, Modern Drummer, or Stick It and see the ads for new product. We all go to the Music Store and look at gear. We all wish for one more item.

Having come through the ranks at two drum manufacturers (Mapex and Slingerland), I know that new drum items are the result of drummers (that have become inventors) like you and I, that think of some way to hopefully make something cooler or better.

But, when you stay within the confines of a building inventing all day, you lose touch with the real world of being a player. Your "vision" for the necessity becomes blurred.

What is something that you as a player would like to see invented to better your drumming experience?

This should be interesting!

DJ

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I'm not a drummer, but I've been thinking that a bass drum pedal with TWO beaters would be cool........ but not two pedals, hang on a sec and I'll explain my theory. One beater would hit on the downstroke of the pedal, just like it always does, but the other beater would somehow hit when you let your foot up. The theory behind this beast, you ask???? Well, I was thinking it would be kinda cool for special effects type stuff. I mean, you could do double bass stuff with only one foot and half the effort.... it would also be really easy to do bass rhythms like dotted eighth/sixteenth combos. Of course, you could always remove the second beater and have just a normal pedal. Anyway, there's my crazy idea...... what do y'all think??? http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/smile.gif

 

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Originally posted by KeyboardFreak:

I'm not a drummer, but I've been thinking that a bass drum pedal with TWO beaters would be cool........ but not two pedals, hang on a sec and I'll explain my theory. One beater would hit on the downstroke of the pedal, just like it always does, but the other beater would somehow hit when you let your foot up. The theory behind this beast, you ask???? Well, I was thinking it would be kinda cool for special effects type stuff. I mean, you could do double bass stuff with only one foot and half the effort.... it would also be really easy to do bass rhythms like dotted eighth/sixteenth combos. Of course, you could always remove the second beater and have just a normal pedal. Anyway, there's my crazy idea...... what do y'all think???

 

It has already been invented ... several decades ago and it flopped marketing wise. Don't know if you can find them anymore. http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/frown.gif

 

 

 

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HAHAHA!!! I had no clue there actually was such a thing, I bet it was invented by a non-drummer, like me.......... that's probably why it flopped!!! Just out of curiousity, any clue what it was called.... I'd be interested to see what it looked like.

 

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I saw one that kinda fits a few months ago. It's a heel-and-toe pedal w/ a single beater. I thought it was kinda cool, but I have no desire to learn how to use it at this point - nor do I want to spend the $350. required to own such a novelty piece.

 

Originally posted by Bartman:

It has already been invented ... several decades ago and it flopped marketing wise. Don't know if you can find them anymore. http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/frown.gif

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(Nervously looks around)..

 

Uhh...my name's Ted...and I'm...uh, er, not a drummer...

 

(HUGE GASP FROM THE CROWD)...

 

Sorry, but...

 

Being a non-drummer...for a long time when I'd try to keep time to the bass hits, I find myself hitting bass accents with my heel, as well as the ball of the foot. Now, I guess that's strange, but (unlike the other suggestion where the other beater hits on the upstroke of the pedal) has anyone ever dabbled into the possibilities here? Kinda like the dual stroke pedal...but having one hit with the heel...or am I totally insane???

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There's a technique where you play heel & toe for extended double strokes. Steve Gadd made it popular with his samba grooves (dotted eighth - sixteenth figure). Dan Wojciechowski , a Drum Ring International member, uses this technique for consecutive sixteenth notes. I personally use it from time to time for the dotted eighth-sixteenth note figures like Gadd uses. The technique has been around for at least 20 years. I don't know who originally came up with it, but Gadd definitely made it popular.

 

Definitely takes a lot of practice to drop the heel quietly; you've got to have a nice, quiet, squeek free kick pedal to pull this off correctly. A Ludwig Speed King would not be a good pedal to use! LOL (Which by the way was my first kick pedal).

 

 

 

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Hmmm...since it seems like I do a decent amount of drum tuning per song when recording...maybe take the DrumDial a step further? Have it so that the drum tightens the drum electronically to an adjustable level - that'd also speed up head changing. Think like a POD - I want a tension of 80 with the 4th and 5th lugs detuned. Press a button...People could download their favorite players tunings from the web...crazy, but a cool idea, IMHO.

 

And no, don't even mention PTS!

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Internal and/or external drum mic mounts option permanantly attached to the drum.This would make swt up time much faster.Something like the "May" mounting system only permanantly installed by the manufacturer.

ian*

 

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Hey, Ian*:

Welcome to Drum Talk! You can get "MAY" mics factory installed on DW drums. I know what you mean ... This idea on all manufacturers as an option. At least DW has stepped up to the plate!

DJ

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Hi all, first time messager,

but been reading here for a while and drumming for a couple a years,

 

Speaking of drummer influenced inventions (you've probably all

hear of these before) but a company called 'Emmite' has designed a newer kind of drum stick, I read about it in modern drummer mag, its a lathed

plastic and is superior compared to poured cheap plastic drum stics because

it not only has the features of being able to have glow in the dark

colors and day glow colours and fake wood paint

but it cuts vibration down in the stick.

I got a pair and i can speak very highly of them, they are fantastic sticks

and are really cool and fun to use, plus getting blisters on your hands from certain wood sticks is eliminated. They saw a need for players to be able to keep drummming even with wrist problems and to prevent wrist problems. Good for them! drummers looking out for drummers.

My 2 cents.

thanks for letting me talk.

 

Simeon

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Hey, Simeon:

 

Feel free to throw in your 2 cents more often!

 

Your comment of glow in the dark sticks takes me back to a concert I attended in 1983. It was the Rick Springfield tour, but I was actually there to see Mike Baird play the drums! (not to mention acting as a chaperon for my little sister ... she was there to see Rick!)

 

Let me set the scenario ... Mike was dressed in all white, with white stick (with glow tips) and was playing an all white Slingerland kit with ... remember ... the Magnum Size Toms!

 

During a quick solo, they cast black light on him as they killed all the lights! I thought this was the coolest thing I had ever seen! At the very end of the solo, they threw the brightest white lights on him and Rick Springfield threw a bucket of water on the toms as Mike was wailing!

 

It created the greatest effect!

 

Thanks for the trip down memory lane!

 

DJ

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Hey, Cymbals:

 

Somewhere in my archives of Modern Drummer (back around 1979 I think! ... geesh ... I *am* getting old!), there was a company that developed a kit that worked on a tympani theory. All the drums could be adjusted by foot pedal. If memory serves me, the toms all worked off of one hydralic cable. Press the toe down ... the pitch raised, ... press the heel down, ... the pitch lowered. It obviously didn't go over well, as it did not survive long.

I also know that sometime in history, Remo made roto-toms that had individual foot pedals. Not very practical if you wanted to change the entire pitch range of your toms!

 

Great idea though, perhaps as electronics become smaller, someone could incorporate a device like this to acoustic drums!

 

Thanks,

DJ

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I saw a HUGE Talking Drum (PASIC in Atlanta back in 1994 I think) that had a foot operated pedal to change the pitch. This would be great for hands free playing!

 

I saw Emil Richards (world renown studio/film percussionist) checking it out ... he was all over it baby! I'm positive he bought it!

 

 

 

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Originally posted by djarrett:

Hey, Cymbals:

 

Somewhere in my archives of Modern Drummer (back around 1979 I think! ... geesh ... I *am* getting old!), there was a company that developed a kit that worked on a tympani theory. All the drums could be adjusted by foot pedal. If memory serves me, the toms all worked off of one hydralic cable. Press the toe down ... the pitch raised, ... press the heel down, ... the pitch lowered. It obviously didn't go over well, as it did not survive long.

I also know that sometime in history, Remo made roto-toms that had individual foot pedals. Not very practical if you wanted to change the entire pitch range of your toms!

 

Great idea though, perhaps as electronics become smaller, someone could incorporate a device like this to acoustic drums!

 

Thanks,

DJ

 

I think Yamaha made a floor tom with a pedal ala tympani.

I thought that was so cool.

I guess they quit making them.

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It seems to me that my kit is already crowded with enough toys.Things like Mapex's new hihat stand thatis linked for double pedals is progress!Engineering that eliminates clutter around the drum kit is what I'd focus on.Things like stacking cymbals, mic mounts etc... were all good ideas.

What about a pretuned quick release head/rim?Break a head?, simple fix!

What about a mixer with inboard dynamic processing on specific drum channels.ie:Adequate parametric EQ,Compression,Gate.All built into each channel.Throw away all that outboard clutter!

Just some thoughts on some solutions to my problems,Im sure shared by others.

ian*

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Yeah, Ian*:

I am with you. There was a cartoon in a recent Modern Drummer that showed this progression:

1) Snare Drum ... first drum

2) 5 Pc. Kit ... your first drumset

3) 12 Pc. Double Bass Kit ... your 2nd drumset

4) 3 Pc. Kit with Bass drum, Snare, HiHat and Crash/Ride ... your 3rd kit after two years of setting up your 2nd drumset!!

How well I relate with the desire to do more ... with less!

DJ

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LOL DJ!! Yeah, I certainly know a few drummers who've been through that progression! Although, most of the drummers I've worked with have always played a 4 piece kit, cuz I'm old school that way and tend to attract drummers who are. As a favorite drummer of mine used to say: "All the best drummers have four skins!" http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/biggrin.gif He is Jewish, however... hmmm....

 

That said, I saw a drummer from a local band play at a party a few weeks ago who had this beautiful 1962 Ludwig silver sparkle double bass kit. And I had to admit it was sweeeeeeet.

 

--Lee

 

 

 

This message has been edited by Lee Flier on 06-26-2001 at 01:23 PM

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