Hendmik Posted June 19, 2005 Share Posted June 19, 2005 How very "Rock n Roll" of them. http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,11069-1658941,00.html -------------------------- The truth of making sweet music By James Bone Oboest bares her soul - and more - to expose musical casting couches A PROFESSIONAL oboist has lifted the curtain on sex, drugs and nepotism in the world of classical music. Blair Tindall, who played with the New York Philharmonic, offers an unseemly tour behind the scenes in a book entitled Mozart in the Jungle. Tindall claims that sex played a decisive role in her musical career. She says she was simultaneously involved with three leading New York oboists two married who gave her work in their orchestras. One had a maxim: The section that lays together plays together. She describes leaping naked into a hotel pool with a leading member of a touring Andrew Lloyd Webber production who subsequently made love to her in his hotel suite as exuberantly as he performed music. He then lit a postcoital cigarette and offered her a job on Lloyd Webbers new Aspects of Love in New York. Why, I thought, did I bother with an answering machine? Tindall writes. Between XXX and my former oboist boyfriends, I got hired for most of my gigs in bed. Although Tindalls 25-year music career included such highlights as working with Leonard Bernstein, she also had to make money recording Karaoke music, and got so bored on Broadway that she would read magazines on her music stand while playing in the orchestra pit. Now in her mid-forties, she says she dated almost every classical musician around my age as well as some who were not, including two of her high-school music teachers. Instrument players had a sexual style unique to their instrument, she writes. Neurotic violinists, anonymous in their orchestra section, came fast. Trumpet players pumped away like jocks, while pianists sensitive fingers worked magic. French horn players, their instruments the testiest of all, could rarely get it up, but percussionists could make beautiful music out of anything. One man not granted anonymity in the book is the Boston Pops conductor Keith Lockhart. Tindall claims that she had sex with him and that he invited her to Salt Lake City, where he was music director of the Utah Symphony. The night before my departure he called to cancel because his wife was suddenly visiting him to get pregnant, she says. Mr Lockhart has issued a statement insisting that the relationship was at no time anything more than friendship. Disenchanted with the classical music world, Tindall went to Stanford University to study journalism and has written for The New York Times. Whenever you find that you are on the side of the majority, it is time to reform. Mark Twain (1835-1910) -------------------- Reporter: "Ah, do you think you could destroy the world?" The Tick: "Ehgad I hope not. That's where I keep all my stuff!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angelo Clematide Posted June 19, 2005 Share Posted June 19, 2005 what a surprise. After the world found out, that vatican members have sex, now we are offered the insight, that earnest musicians are also capable of having sex. What's next? -Peace, Love, and Potahhhhto Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tedly Nightshade Posted June 19, 2005 Share Posted June 19, 2005 Originally posted by Hendmik: Instrument players had a sexual style unique to their instrument, she writes. Neurotic violinists, anonymous in their orchestra section, came fast. Trumpet players pumped away like jocks, while pianists sensitive fingers worked magic. French horn players, their instruments the testiest of all, could rarely get it up, but percussionists could make beautiful music out of anything. Them some chump jock trumpeters. Ain't the way I was brought up, pumpin' away like a damned jock. And you know that embrochure muscle has it's applications. Endurance is endurance, on the souzaphone or the vulvaphone. And practice goes both ways. A WOP BOP A LU BOP, A LOP BAM BOOM! "There is nothing I regret so much as my good behavior. What demon possessed me that I behaved so well?" -Henry David Thoreau Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angelo Clematide Posted June 19, 2005 Share Posted June 19, 2005 Originally posted by Hendmik: ...she says she dated almost every classical musician around my age...probably world wide, mama mia, che gazzo. Now she should go for the composers, and then... -Peace, Love, and Potahhhhto Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattzen Posted June 19, 2005 Share Posted June 19, 2005 this woman is really just looking for attention. and she'll prolly get it. all of this stuff is the usual stuff that happens. what's sad is the fact that she has decided to get what she wanted in this way. unfortunately, lots of folks do engage in this career furthering activity. i wonder who she slept with to get her articles published... as for reading a magazine in the orch pit on Broadway....all the 1st call players for the big film scores come to sessions equipped with newspapers, books, magazines, and crossword puzzles. it's surprising at first but you get used to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Botch. Posted June 19, 2005 Share Posted June 19, 2005 Originally posted by Hendmik: Instrument players had a sexual style unique to their instrument, That made this former trombone player smile. Botch "Eccentric language often is symptomatic of peculiar thinking" - George Will www.puddlestone.net Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Klopmeyer Posted June 19, 2005 Share Posted June 19, 2005 Originally posted by Tedly Nightshade: Endurance is endurance, on the souzaphone or the vulvaphone.I took vulvaphone at Berklee, but only for extra credit. Classes were held on the seventh floor of the dorms. - Jeff Marketing Communications for MI/Pro Audio My solo music and stuff They Stole My Crayon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philip OKeefe Posted June 19, 2005 Share Posted June 19, 2005 Everyone knows sax is the ultimate instrument... it requires manual dexterity, great tongue technique, great endurance and breath control (at least to play Bari)... and of course, it hardly gets mentioned in classical circles. Go figure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephen Fortner Posted June 19, 2005 Share Posted June 19, 2005 Typical of an electronic keyboardist, I'm onanistic. I play a 24-bit vulvaphone sampler. Always in tune, and no expensive dinners or flowers to buy... Stephen Fortner Principal, Fortner Media Former Editor in Chief, Keyboard Magazine Digital Piano Consultant, Piano Buyer Magazine Industry affiliations: Antares, Arturia, Giles Communications, MS Media, Polyverse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gabriel E. Posted June 20, 2005 Share Posted June 20, 2005 It's no surprise that she's "Disenchanted with the classical music world". People in any profession who use sex, lying, cheating, patronage or other methods not related to hard work and talent to get ahead rarely find their vocations satisfying. I've seen this in business, academia and in the theater. In all cases, those who resorted to such means were never respected by their peers or subordinates. The only profession in which such methods seem to be acceptable is politics. "You never can vouch for your own consciousness." - Norman Mailer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tedly Nightshade Posted June 20, 2005 Share Posted June 20, 2005 Originally posted by Philip O'Keefe: Everyone knows sax is the ultimate instrument... it requires manual dexterity, great tongue technique, great endurance and breath control (at least to play Bari)... and of course, it hardly gets mentioned in classical circles. Go figure. Ravel knew what he was about with that Aflat alto saxophone Rhapsody. Wonder who the lucky lady was? Sad to say, my vulvaphone technique is getting really rusty... which doesn't help my trumpet chops at all. A WOP BOP A LU BOP, A LOP BAM BOOM! "There is nothing I regret so much as my good behavior. What demon possessed me that I behaved so well?" -Henry David Thoreau Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
force Posted June 20, 2005 Share Posted June 20, 2005 gotta love the by-line of the article, "James Bone" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Flier Posted June 20, 2005 Share Posted June 20, 2005 Originally posted by Gabriel E.: It's no surprise that she's "Disenchanted with the classical music world". People in any profession who use sex, lying, cheating, patronage or other methods not related to hard work and talent to get ahead rarely find their vocations satisfying. I've seen this in business, academia and in the theater. In all cases, those who resorted to such means were never respected by their peers or subordinates. The only profession in which such methods seem to be acceptable is politics. LOL... no kidding! Big ups to this whole post. I have a cousin who was in the ballet for five years. It had been her dream to be in a large reputable company (and hers certainly was!) but in the end, she quit because the "lifestyle" was too much for her to handle. Here she was this innocent little Jewish girl from the Midwest, and she'd go back to the dressing room every night and stumble upon an orgy. Pretty much everybody, she said, slept with everybody else, regardless of gender or marital status or whatever. The stories she told were worse than any rock'n'roll stories I had from the 80's! On the other hand I have another cousin who held a first violin chair in the Boston Symphony for 43 years... he just showed up to work, did his thing and went home. No games, no BS, just a happily married guy doing his job like it was any other job. So talent, hard work and ethics CAN win out, it's just a bummer how many people try to win in other ways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ITGITC Posted June 20, 2005 Share Posted June 20, 2005 http://www.beautyinmusic.com/assets/artists_large_pics/blair_tindall_o.jpg Pictures can be helpful. "Music expresses that which cannot be put into words and that which cannot remain silent." - Victor Hugo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Klopmeyer Posted June 20, 2005 Share Posted June 20, 2005 Originally posted by Lee Flier: Here she was this innocent little Jewish girl from the Midwest, and she'd go back to the dressing room every night and stumble upon an orgy.Whenever I'd play in musical assemblages for dramatic purposes (musicals and so on), the cast parties were freakin' crazy. People running around naked, doing things on chandeliers that they weren't designed for and so on. MUCH more outrageous than most rock-and-roll band parties. The sex, drugs and everything were all right out in the open. If you weren't a person who was into participating, or were possible offended by seeing your co-workers private parts, it probably wasn't a good business to be in. - Jeff Marketing Communications for MI/Pro Audio My solo music and stuff They Stole My Crayon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brittanylips Posted June 20, 2005 Share Posted June 20, 2005 Maybe cause I know keith Lockhart, and he did just have a kid, I find the whole kiss and tell thing really disgusting. The revelation here is not that classical music is more depraved than any other profession, just that it is no better. But by writing about her affairs just to cash in on them - it's enough to turn anyone celibate. -Peace, Love, and Brittanylips Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angelo Clematide Posted June 20, 2005 Share Posted June 20, 2005 Originally posted by Is There Gas in the Car?: Pictures can be helpful.does she look a bit worn out, or do i imagine that, because i read the thread? Yes, the earnest musicians have good parties since the 16th centuries! ...jealous? -Peace, Love, and Potahhhhto Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angelo Clematide Posted June 20, 2005 Share Posted June 20, 2005 http://www.mozartinthejungle.com/images/blairtin-340-Mozartjungle.jpg http://www.mozartinthejungle.com/images/blairtin-340-Mozartjungle.jpg http://www.mozartinthejungle.com/ -Peace, Love, and Potahhhhto Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super 8 Posted June 20, 2005 Share Posted June 20, 2005 Originally posted by Hendmik: percussionists could make beautiful music out of anything. Damn right! Super 8 Hear my stuff here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ITGITC Posted June 20, 2005 Share Posted June 20, 2005 Originally posted by Angelo Clematide: does she look a bit worn out, or do i imagine that, because i read the thread? I didn't wanna say anything about that. That's why I posted the picture by itself. "Music expresses that which cannot be put into words and that which cannot remain silent." - Victor Hugo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tedly Nightshade Posted June 20, 2005 Share Posted June 20, 2005 Originally posted by Is There Gas in the Car?: Originally posted by Angelo Clematide: does she look a bit worn out, or do i imagine that, because i read the thread? I didn't wanna say anything about that. That's why I posted the picture by itself. She looks good enough to me. Where her head is at, I can't get into though. A WOP BOP A LU BOP, A LOP BAM BOOM! "There is nothing I regret so much as my good behavior. What demon possessed me that I behaved so well?" -Henry David Thoreau Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Botch. Posted June 20, 2005 Share Posted June 20, 2005 Her emboucher's just your size! Botch "Eccentric language often is symptomatic of peculiar thinking" - George Will www.puddlestone.net Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJDM Posted June 20, 2005 Share Posted June 20, 2005 Hmmm... I'm a former trumpet player that now plays keys and was raised by a percussionist violinist combo... So I guess that would make me a dexterous jock with an inborn penchant for making short tunes out of anything. Or something. DJDM.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angelo Clematide Posted June 20, 2005 Share Posted June 20, 2005 Originally posted by DJDM: Hmmm... I'm a former trumpet player that now plays keys and was raised by a percussionist violinist combo... So I guess that would make me a dexterous jock with an inborn penchant for making short tunes out of anything. Or something. "short tunes out of anything" ???? never heard of extended mixes? or are you into quicktime on apple? . -Peace, Love, and Potahhhhto Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJDM Posted June 21, 2005 Share Posted June 21, 2005 Originally posted by Angelo Clematide: Originally posted by DJDM: Hmmm... I'm a former trumpet player that now plays keys and was raised by a percussionist violinist combo... So I guess that would make me a dexterous jock with an inborn penchant for making short tunes out of anything. Or something. "short tunes out of anything" ???? never heard of extended mixes? or are you into quicktime on apple? . You mean the 12 inches of pleasure? DJDM.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tedster Posted June 21, 2005 Share Posted June 21, 2005 She looks shagadelic to me. 'Course, I'm probably a bit older than a few of you guys. You young guys crack me up the way you talk. If she doesn't look like Jenny McCarthy or whatever her name is, you don't want anything to do with admitting you'd do her in a heartbeat. Now, hmmmmm, I wonder if she'd help me with practicing my vulvaphone lessons. "Cisco Kid, was a friend of mine" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dougsthang Posted June 21, 2005 Share Posted June 21, 2005 Originally posted by Botch.: Originally posted by Hendmik: Instrument players had a sexual style unique to their instrument, That made this former trombone player smile. Dang, being a guitar player now I know why the ladies always looked concerned when I came in with a suit case full of toys. overheard street personality on Venice Beach "Man, that Bullshit is Bulllshhittt...." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dementia13 Posted June 23, 2005 Share Posted June 23, 2005 does she look a bit worn out, or do i imagine that, because i read the thread? 25-year music career? That would probably put her in her mid-to-late forties, and I'd say she looks pretty healthy and attractive at that age. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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