Gary75 Posted April 13, 2019 Share Posted April 13, 2019 Sorry for the picture size. Im just wading through some 60s jazz and am puzzled as to how theyve written down chords. Im used to the real book standard of alt, b, #, etc, but this seems to be really weird and hard to understand. Take a look at the bottom one in particular. I get the b10 is just a sharp 9, but whats with the double flat 5? Thats an 11 right? The top one E7 natural 10 +, just what is that in modern real book chart speak? Is this the work of the publisher (maybe a classical trained transcriber without jazz shorthand skills), or the artist? It just seems overly confusing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Lobo Posted April 13, 2019 Share Posted April 13, 2019 chord help, indeed. I haven't a clue what's intended by these chord symbols. These are only my opinions, not supported by any actual knowledge, experience, or expertise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MathOfInsects Posted April 13, 2019 Share Posted April 13, 2019 What a cool find. Wow, what a mess. I have a guess as to how the chords might work, but do you mind if I ask: what song is it? Now out! "Mind the Gap," a 24-song album of new material. www.joshweinstein.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary75 Posted April 13, 2019 Author Share Posted April 13, 2019 So here is this again but this time its written. So as you can see its just a Eb7#9 but still not getting the double flat as even if its referencing the melody note, the melody note is A which is just one flat from its natural 5th Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary75 Posted April 13, 2019 Author Share Posted April 13, 2019 What a cool find. Wow, what a mess. I have a guess as to how the chords might work, but do you mind if I ask: what song is it? Its s collection of songs written by Dudley Moore Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MathOfInsects Posted April 13, 2019 Share Posted April 13, 2019 Thank you. What song? Now out! "Mind the Gap," a 24-song album of new material. www.joshweinstein.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobadohshe Posted April 13, 2019 Share Posted April 13, 2019 I remember a chord thread a few years ago where Menno De Boer, who came up in the Netherlands, talked about these altered 10 chords which pop up in a lot of European stuff. As far as the b10 goes, it's just another way of writing #9. Not sure what the 10+ is. Maybe a shorthand for b10,#5 which would be our standard altered chord. Or the +10 could be a sus4? Kawai C-60 Grand Piano : Hammond A-100 : Hammond SK2 : Yamaha CP4 : Yamaha Montage 7 : Moog Sub 37 My latest album: Funky organ, huge horn section https://bobbycressey.bandcamp.com/album/cali-native Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary75 Posted April 13, 2019 Author Share Posted April 13, 2019 Ive just picked out from various tracks in the book. That last image is bar 6 on A Sad One For George [video:youtube] Thank you. What song? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Burgess Posted April 13, 2019 Share Posted April 13, 2019 Think youre right. Looks like the bb5 isnt really part of the chord but the melody A note. For reasons unknown, its been included into the overall, wrongly, rather than an Eb7(#9) where the melody happens to be an A (presumably resolving somewhere...) Definitely over-complicating things by the transcriber is my guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chigson Posted April 13, 2019 Share Posted April 13, 2019 "A Sad One For George" is fantastic, by the way. if you can't tell the difference, does it matter? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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