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Gary75

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Im just wading through some 60s jazz and am puzzled as to how theyve written down chords. Im used to the real book standard of alt, b, #, etc, but this seems to be really weird and hard to understand. Take a look at the bottom one in particular. I get the b10 is just a sharp 9, but whats with the double flat 5? Thats an 11 right?

 

The top one E7 natural 10 +, just what is that in modern real book chart speak?

 

Is this the work of the publisher (maybe a classical trained transcriber without jazz shorthand skills), or the artist? It just seems overly confusing.

 

 

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So here is this again but this time its written. So as you can see its just a Eb7#9 but still not getting the double flat as even if its referencing the melody note, the melody note is A which is just one flat from its natural 5th

 

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I remember a chord thread a few years ago where Menno De Boer, who came up in the Netherlands, talked about these altered 10 chords which pop up in a lot of European stuff. As far as the b10 goes, it's just another way of writing #9.

 

Not sure what the 10+ is. Maybe a shorthand for b10,#5 which would be our standard altered chord. Or the +10 could be a sus4?

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Think youre right. Looks like the bb5 isnt really part of the chord but the melody A note. For reasons unknown, its been included into the overall, wrongly, rather than an Eb7(#9) where the melody happens to be an A (presumably resolving somewhere...)

 

Definitely over-complicating things by the transcriber is my guess.

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