Justin Havu Posted August 9, 2014 Share Posted August 9, 2014 From 1982. Bobby sounded better back then than he does nowadays. [video:youtube] I was always a Joseph Williams fan. His voice still sounds great nowadays. If you listen to the FIB Live DVD from 2008, there's a ton of pitch correction on Bobby. But, different strokes for different folks. Hardware Yamaha DX7, PSR-530, MX61/Korg Karma/Ensoniq ESQ-1/Roland VR-760/Hydrasynth Deluxe/ Behringer DeepMind12, Model D, Odyssey, 2600/Arturia Keylab MKII 61 Software Studio One/V Collection 9/Korg Collection 5/Cherry Audio/UVI SonicPass/EW Composer Cloud/Omnisphere, Stylus RMX, Trilian/IK Total Studio 3.5 MAX Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markay Posted August 9, 2014 Share Posted August 9, 2014 Michael McDonald, OTOH, was either under the weather, or is losing it. His voice was not where it needed to be at all - kept cracking. He knew it and kept pulling away from the mic, which was clearly giving the sound man conniptions. I would say easily 1/3 of the audience was already gone by the end of the show. At that point (by the encores), he had the bass player, backup singer and Joe Williams and the Toto backup singers doing pretty much all the vox. dB I saw MM a couple of years ago when he was out here touring on a double header with Boz Scaggs. He had a similar vocal issue and best I could tell from the front row he was not under the weather and keys wise he was at his best. I also found the keyboard wall of sound fatiguing to listen to. My take is that he is at his best when he is part of a band e.g the Doobies, he doesn't have the vocal resilience to carry a full set as a solo act. By comparison when Boz and his band came on they sounded Steely Dan crisp and clear through the same system. And Boz's voice lasted the set although he did have an industrial strength humidifier on the mic stand. A misguided plumber attempting to entertain | MainStage 3 | Axiom 61 2nd Gen | Pianoteq | B5 | XK3c | EV ZLX 12P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Weiser Posted August 9, 2014 Share Posted August 9, 2014 The secret backstory of What a Fool Believes: [video:youtube] Fun is poked, but done in a very loving way. https://www.theboywhowantedtorock.com http://www.weisersound.com https://www.facebook.com/weisersound Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobadohshe Posted August 9, 2014 Share Posted August 9, 2014 So just to be clear it's Toto first then Michael McD and Mike's own band? Damn shame they just don't have TOTO playing behind Mike. Who needs them other cats. Kawai C-60 Grand Piano : Hammond A-100 : Hammond SK2 : Yamaha CP4 : Yamaha Montage 7 : Moog Sub 37 My latest album: Funky organ, huge horn section https://bobbycressey.bandcamp.com/album/cali-native Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobadohshe Posted August 18, 2014 Share Posted August 18, 2014 I never shared my experience / thoughts about this concert even though it was a week ago. Because of how the venue was setup (at Pala Casino in San Diego which almost has the vibe of a big hotel ballroom) I had the chance to talk with Toto's sound engineer Ken Freeman for quite awhile. I asked Ken about Steve and David's keys and how he mixed them. He said: Though it's all Yamaha boards up there, the sounds are 100% from Mainstage. They each control their own rigs and patch changes, presumably from Master Mode. All the boards are hard wired for audio if Mainstage goes down. Ken also uses Mainstage as a host for some effects for his FOH mixing! He had a three big rack Avalon Pre's: one for Luke's Vox, one for Joe William's Vox, and one for David Paich's vox (I think). Also, they run the keys STEREO, though he does do some further imaging to prevent it from being a hard L hard R split. The concert itself was awesome. I can't get over how great Shannon Forrest sounded on drums. He hit like Jeff hit, which is something I never got from Simon. The groove on Africa was very Jeff like. Also, Ken wasn't mixing Michael McDonald. But I found out that Pat Cohen (who was killing it as Mike's MD/Keyboardist) was playing a real Hammond up there with twin leslies. It was kind of hidden behind Lukather's guitar amps and several Motifs. Kawai C-60 Grand Piano : Hammond A-100 : Hammond SK2 : Yamaha CP4 : Yamaha Montage 7 : Moog Sub 37 My latest album: Funky organ, huge horn section https://bobbycressey.bandcamp.com/album/cali-native Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George88 Posted August 18, 2014 Share Posted August 18, 2014 Pat Coil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Coda Posted August 18, 2014 Share Posted August 18, 2014 I asked Ken about Steve and David's keys and how he mixed them. He said: Though it's all Yamaha boards up there, the sounds are 100% from Mainstage. They each control their own rigs and patch changes, presumably from Master Mode. All the boards are hard wired for audio if Mainstage goes down. Does that mean they only use Logic/Mainstage virtual instruments or do they also run 3rd party software instruments and FX ? Didn´t he talk about that too ? A.C. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobadohshe Posted August 18, 2014 Share Posted August 18, 2014 Pat Coil. Thank you! Kawai C-60 Grand Piano : Hammond A-100 : Hammond SK2 : Yamaha CP4 : Yamaha Montage 7 : Moog Sub 37 My latest album: Funky organ, huge horn section https://bobbycressey.bandcamp.com/album/cali-native Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobadohshe Posted August 18, 2014 Share Posted August 18, 2014 I asked Ken about Steve and David's keys and how he mixed them. He said: Though it's all Yamaha boards up there, the sounds are 100% from Mainstage. They each control their own rigs and patch changes, presumably from Master Mode. All the boards are hard wired for audio if Mainstage goes down. Does that mean they only use Logic/Mainstage virtual instruments or do they also run 3rd party software instruments and FX ? Didn´t he talk about that too ? Didn't talk about it but I would bet they're running different soft synths than just what ships with Mainstage. Kawai C-60 Grand Piano : Hammond A-100 : Hammond SK2 : Yamaha CP4 : Yamaha Montage 7 : Moog Sub 37 My latest album: Funky organ, huge horn section https://bobbycressey.bandcamp.com/album/cali-native Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philip Clark Posted August 18, 2014 Share Posted August 18, 2014 [video:youtube] Soul, R&B, Pop from Los Angeles http://philipclark.com Cannonball Gerald Albright Signature Alto, Yamaha YC73, Fender Rhodes, Roland Juno-106, Yamaha MX61, Roland VR-09, MicroKorg XL, Maschine Mikro, Yamaha Reface CP, Roland MKS-50 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRW Posted August 27, 2014 Share Posted August 27, 2014 Michael McDonald, OTOH, was either under the weather, or is losing it. His voice was not where it needed to be at all - kept cracking. He knew it and kept pulling away from the mic, which was clearly giving the sound man conniptions. I never saw the Dukes of September show live, but I've seen the live Blu-Ray and it was the same there as well. It's a shame, but I suppose inevitable...he's been pushing it pretty long. * Anyone interested in this current Toto lineup (apart from Hungate and Forrest - it was S.Phillips and N.East), watch the Toto Live In Poland Blu-Ray. I saw that tour also live, and it's fascinating to watch how Steve Porcaro replicates all those vintage LP sounds on his Motifs, and how he utilizes splits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sven Golly Posted August 27, 2014 Share Posted August 27, 2014 it's fascinating to watch how Steve Porcaro replicates all those vintage LP sounds on his Motifs Mainstage Fixed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Nathan Posted August 27, 2014 Share Posted August 27, 2014 I can't get over how great Shannon Forrest sounded on drums. He's Baaadasss! Don't rush me. I'm playing as slowly as I can! http://www.stevenathanmusic.com/stevenathanmusic.com/HOME.html https://apple.co/2EGpYXK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Ferris Posted August 28, 2014 Share Posted August 28, 2014 Michael McDonald, OTOH, was either under the weather, or is losing it. His voice was not where it needed to be at all - kept cracking. He knew it and kept pulling away from the mic, which was clearly giving the sound man conniptions. I never saw the Dukes of September show live, but I've seen the live Blu-Ray and it was the same there as well. It's a shame, but I suppose inevitable...he's been pushing it pretty long. . The few tunes I've heard on that Blu-ray, Mike's voice sounded fine. I'd be curious to hear the tracks you are referring to. And if someone is *pushing it* in regard to singing, they will not have a very long career. Certainly not as long as Mike. https://soundcloud.com/dave-ferris https://www.youtube.com/@daveferris2709 2005 NY Steinway D Yamaha AvantGrand N3X, CP88, P515 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Coda Posted August 28, 2014 Share Posted August 28, 2014 it's fascinating to watch how Steve Porcaro replicates all those vintage LP sounds on his Motifs Mainstage Fixed. Only if it´s true what the tech manager said to a forumite. I don´t believe that. I understand why a production wants minimizing truck load and replace racks by software. The Yamaha Motif XFs and CP4 sound good and there´s no latency when playing ´em. It makes no sense programming the Motif´s and CP4 just only as a backup for the case of software failure. It makes sense using the Motifs and CP4 as masterkeyboards and sound sources, then using all the laptop stuff for layering patches. That way, latency doesn´t become obvious, there´s polyphony saved on the Motifs and when the layers (sounds from laptop) fail, there´s still the sound available coming from the Motifs. It´s also much easier for the FOH guy because he just only mutes the laptop´s output stereo channel instead investigating and (hopefully) recognizing the issue, THEN switch stereo-channels (laptop vs Motif/CP4). A.C. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sven Golly Posted August 28, 2014 Share Posted August 28, 2014 Okay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dana. Posted August 28, 2014 Share Posted August 28, 2014 It makes no sense programming the Motif´s and CP4 just only as a backup for the case of software failure. Why not? That way, latency doesn´t become obvious, there´s polyphony saved on the Motifs and when the layers (sounds from laptop) fail, there´s still the sound available coming from the Motifs. Why are you assuming latency would be an issue? Surely their keyboard techs have their rigs set up to ensure zero latency. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spazzkey Posted August 28, 2014 Share Posted August 28, 2014 I blame Donald and Walter for nearly breaking his voice for "Peg." gig: hammond sk-1 73, neo vent, nord stage 2 76, ancona 34 accordion, cps space station v3 home: steinway m, 1950 hammond c2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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