allan_evett Posted April 18, 2014 Share Posted April 18, 2014 Y'all are nuckin futs. Just don't comp for your solo. The guitar can do it. If you want to do some special scale harmonizer effect, just set it to harmonize on B pentatonic. Even if a couple of the intervals change, it will still sound close enough (I don't hear where that happens but Bernmeister has the ears). You'd have to kick the effect of when it does that F#m7 line and kick it back off after. But yeah, just don't comp there. Right on, Bobby. I'd further add that the solo could simply be an improv'd lead - and nobody in the audience would likely be the wiser. But it depends on what the OP prefers to do at that spot. The scale harmonizer effect could sound cool... I'm attempting to learn four sets of relatively new material quickly - mostly blues influenced stuff, with lots of piano and B3 parts; plenty of brass/sax section lines going on, too. Oh, and the sax player left the band shortly before I took the gig. I'm not trying to learn all of her parts note-for-note; except in rare instances, I think keyboard based sax leads come across rather fake - even on today's instruments. And right now I'm only picking up the most important, 'signature' brass lines. The audience is simply not going to be sitting there analyzing my keyboard arrangements - at least I hope not. That means they're not on the floor dancing, buying more drinks - IOW, keeping the club owner/management happy so that I get another gig. If I was to analyze the keyboard parts of each song for my new gig to the degree shown in this thread, I wouldn't be ready until 2015; and the first gig is next month. No offense intended, but sometimes we over-analyze instead of taking the simplest approach, and then just playing. Been there, trying to stop going there. 'Someday, we'll look back on these days and laugh; likely a maniacal laugh from our padded cells, but a laugh nonetheless' - Mr. Boffo. We need a barfing cat emoticon! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J. Dan Posted April 18, 2014 Share Posted April 18, 2014 I've never played it, but I'd likely just ditch the synbrass and bail the solo, complete with layered sounds. Dan Acoustic/Electric stringed instruments ranging from 4 to 230 strings, hammered, picked, fingered, slapped, and plucked. Analog and Digital Electronic instruments, reeds, and throat/mouth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timwat Posted April 18, 2014 Share Posted April 18, 2014 Hmm...would would Greg Phillinganes do? For the Africa solo, fast forward to 4:18.... [video:youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nRGBAqZMWxU .. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
area51recording Posted April 18, 2014 Share Posted April 18, 2014 Hmmm, what WOULD Greg Phillinganes do?..... How about kick my butt into next week? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allan_evett Posted April 18, 2014 Share Posted April 18, 2014 Hmmm, what WOULD Greg Phillinganes do?..... How about kick my butt into next week? With four keyboards, at that. Cool to see how Greg puts the parts together for the two, Toto songs. Would be interesting to see how he'd do that with one keyboard. I suspect he could pull it off on the OASYS. 'Someday, we'll look back on these days and laugh; likely a maniacal laugh from our padded cells, but a laugh nonetheless' - Mr. Boffo. We need a barfing cat emoticon! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stoken6 Posted April 18, 2014 Author Share Posted April 18, 2014 The audience is simply not going to be sitting there analyzing my keyboard arrangements - at least I hope not. That means they're not on the floor dancing, buying more drinks - IOW, keeping the club owner/management happy so that I get another gig. If I was to analyze the keyboard parts of each song for my new gig to the degree shown in this thread, I wouldn't be ready until 2015; and the first gig is next month. No offense intended, but sometimes we over-analyze instead of taking the simplest approach, and then just playing. Been there, trying to stop going there. No offence taken, and none intended in the following response: Why am I interested in this level of analysis? I've realised as I grow older that I want to stretch myself as a musician, not as a tech. So I actually want to shed that solo a bit and come out of the process able to do something new. If I had a pick-up gig tomorrow night, sure I could improv a solo - or just play the RH/top-line of the recording. I have a bit more time, so I want to work out playing both solo lines together, to develop myself as a musician. It will take a bit of metronome time, but that's no bad thing. I appreciate your contribution to the debate, Allan. And to everyone who's said "leave the comp to the guitar", +1. The drop in density if I leave out the synth-brass in the solo is a good thing in the solo. Cheers, Mike. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stoken6 Posted April 18, 2014 Author Share Posted April 18, 2014 The audience is simply not going to be sitting there analyzing my keyboard arrangements - at least I hope not. That means they're not on the floor dancing, buying more drinks - IOW, keeping the club owner/management happy so that I get another gig. If I was to analyze the keyboard parts of each song for my new gig to the degree shown in this thread, I wouldn't be ready until 2015; and the first gig is next month. No offense intended, but sometimes we over-analyze instead of taking the simplest approach, and then just playing. Been there, trying to stop going there. No offence taken, and none intended in the following response: Why am I interested in this level of analysis? I've realised as I grow older that I want to stretch myself as a musician, not as a tech. So I actually want to shed that solo a bit and come out of the process able to do something new. If I had a pick-up gig tomorrow night, of course I could improv a solo - or just play the RH/top-line of the recording. If I have a bit more time, I want to work out playing both solo lines together, to develop myself as a musician. It will take a bit of metronome time, but that's no bad thing. I appreciate your contribution to the debate, Allan. And to everyone who's said "leave the comp to the guitar", +1. The drop in density if I leave out the synth-brass in the solo is a good thing in this particular solo. Cheers, Mike. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richforman Posted May 6, 2014 Share Posted May 6, 2014 Less interestingly probably, here's a video of me covering the song at a backyard party in an 80's tribute band from last summer - trying my best to recreate the harmonized keyboard solo "live." The guitar is mixed way too loud for the song imo. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QMrgfmoPsCg Rich Forman Yamaha MOXF8, Korg Kronos 2-61, Roland Fantom X7, Ferrofish B4000+ organ module, Roland VR-09, EV ZLX12P, K&M Spider Pro stand, Yamaha S80, Korg Trinity Plus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Loving Posted May 6, 2014 Share Posted May 6, 2014 Really interesting suggestions. We're working on "Africa"; started last night. I'm shedding the solo. Funny, I had never heard of David Paich, but I knew about his dad. "Forget it, Jake. It's Chinatown." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonglow Posted May 6, 2014 Share Posted May 6, 2014 Less interestingly probably, here's a video of me covering the song at a backyard party in an 80's tribute band from last summer - trying my best to recreate the harmonized keyboard solo "live." The guitar is mixed way too loud for the song imo. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QMrgfmoPsCg Nice job, Rich! "We don't stop playing because we grow old; we grow old because we stop playing." - George Bernard Shaw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richforman Posted May 6, 2014 Share Posted May 6, 2014 Thank you Moonglow, that's really nice of you. Rich Forman Yamaha MOXF8, Korg Kronos 2-61, Roland Fantom X7, Ferrofish B4000+ organ module, Roland VR-09, EV ZLX12P, K&M Spider Pro stand, Yamaha S80, Korg Trinity Plus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Loving Posted May 7, 2014 Share Posted May 7, 2014 One way to cheat on the solo, if you have a Casio XW-P1 is to use the synth 5th interval patch (I forget the real name). Sounds like two hands with an occasional bad interval. "Forget it, Jake. It's Chinatown." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RudyS Posted May 7, 2014 Share Posted May 7, 2014 Hmmm, what WOULD Greg Phillinganes do?..... How about kick my butt into next week? This! Rudy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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