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A whole lotta butt-kissin' flattery goin' on there in those quotes! :D

 

Also:

 

"...with Line 6s operations continuing as before and its management team remaining in place."

 

I hope that bodes well for all Line 6 employees...

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Hope it doesn't lead to lousy sounding amps that never break! :rimshot::facepalm: :idk

 

ha!

 

too bad an old Yamaha DG 100 modelling amp still sounds and responds better than any Line6 amp.

 

Why is that "too bad"- why is that a bad thing? (Great amps, those!)

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Hope it doesn't lead to lousy sounding amps that never break! :rimshot::facepalm: :idk

 

ha!

 

too bad an old Yamaha DG 100 modelling amp still sounds and responds better than any Line6 amp.

 

Why is that "too bad"- why is that a bad thing? (Great amps, those!)

 

I think there was an element of sarcasm there... ;)

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Though I am not not a fan of Line 6 they have some nice technology. New poewered speaker systems, wireless technology and some of the Variax stuff. Take some of their effects and modeling gear and fuse it with some of the old SPX technology may be cool.

 

Not sure how Bogner fits into all of this .... but knowing what the newer stuff is built like I don't really care. The Alchemist sucks.

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Personally, I'm a fan of Line6's ToneCore pedals- I actually have every module except the Tap Tremolo- and the POD is a solid product.

 

The question is what is Yamaha reason for buying? Are they after tech? If so, they're looking to make new products or improve extant ones. Imagine, for instance, a "starter" Pacifica guitar with some onboard modeling borrowed from the POD.

 

Are they just looking for income in a market they're not part of? Then Line6 will just be a wholly owned subsidiary with little back & forth between the engineering & marketing staffs of both companies.

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Yamaha does that. So far knock on wood they have left Steinberg and Bosendorfer to be pretty much self containted and self managed bodies as far as operational activities go. I think Yamaha at least has a big say in Steinberg marketing.

 

I'm sure all the legal and finacial units are ran by Yamaha.

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Not sure if this is still relevant or not. But Yamaha R&D got hit hard in the Tsunami disaster.

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I think it's just a case of horizontal integration where the parent company pretty much leaves the purchased company to continue doing it's thing.

 

Think of all the companies that Fender and Gibson own, there doesn't seem to be any collaboration of ideas.

 

Fender Companies

 

Squier

Guild

Benedetto

Rodriguez

Gretsch

Charvel

Jackson

SWR

Brand X

Tacoma

Orpheum

Olympia

 

Gibson Companies

 

http://www.gibson.com/press/brands.html

 

 

 

 

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As far as Steinberg is concerned, I was hoping they would take a heavy hand. Every time I try a Steinberg product (and I tried the three main ones again these past few weeks), I am left wondering why they claim to be multi-platform (I use a Mac at home). Yamaha has higher standards than that for their own stuff.

 

If I want to use ASIO I'll buy a Windows machine. maybe their products don't suck on Windows, but they sure do on the Mac (they don't use Mac standards so are a head-twist, and have a lot of bugs in ways that are crippling for basic functionality).

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As far as Steinberg is concerned, I was hoping they would take a heavy hand. Every time I try a Steinberg product (and I tried the three main ones again these past few weeks), I am left wondering why they claim to be multi-platform (I use a Mac at home). Yamaha has higher standards than that for their own stuff.

 

If I want to use ASIO I'll buy a Windows machine. maybe their products don't suck on Windows, but they sure do on the Mac (they don't use Mac standards so are a head-twist, and have a lot of bugs in ways that are crippling for basic functionality).

 

I've seen a few of those Yamaha/steinberg interfaces but haven't watched closely. That's a shame about the Mac thing. What Stienberg stuff have you tried to use?

 

I'm still using my 2003 version of Cubase SX on a pentium III. Works great, so I've never wanted to upgrade.

 

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Oh, I'm referring strictly to software; the hardware interfaces have good audio quality and good converters but are also semi-crippled in terms of interconnectivity. I have RME so didn't bother, but did consider them at one point.

 

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Think of all the companies that Fender and Gibson own, there doesn't seem to be any collaboration of ideas

 

OTOH, at least one of those companies- Tacoma- has no products currently on the market.

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Think of all the companies that Fender and Gibson own, there doesn't seem to be any collaboration of ideas

 

OTOH, at least one of those companies- Tacoma- has no products currently on the market.

 

Yep, and didn't Fender buy Hamer only to discontinue it's line shortly after. I guess these are strictly economic decisions.

 

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Hard to say- there may have been some techniques and assets Fender wanted, besides the intellectual properties.

 

For instance, Tacoma had their own forest to harvest for at least part of their raw materials.

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About Hamer - Hamer had been part of Kaman (think Ovation), and my understanding was that Fender had acquired Kaman, 5 or 6 years back, IIRC. I also thought that Hamer's founders had recently made the decision to stop producing guitars, although being acquired by Fender may have influenced that decision.

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both Yamaha's DG amps and the new THR series sound so damn good why would they want Line 6? that is my question.

 

Maybe Yamaha will improve the Line6 amps and make a bigger profit. They do 10 times the annual sales that Line6 does so they have a pretty good handle on how to make things work in the business world. They probably already know what is needed to get more out their new Line7's...

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I have to wonder if Line 6 didn't need the cash infusion, and maybe some tech assistance, as well. They've discontinued nearly as many products as they currently offer, including many of the ToneCore modules, a couple of the original Modelers, and the more affordable Variax guitars. There have also been serious hardware/component failures with some products, like the board-mounted switches in the Modelers, and a host of noise or failure issues in the POD line.

 

Whatever the case, I do hope this is a good move for Line 6, and Yamaha. I've always found Yamaha music gear to be very dependable, and I have fond memories of learning to ride, and to fall, on a 50cc(?) or so Yamaha motorcycle, back when I was 15, and working on a dairy farm for the Summer. You've got to love a motorcycle company that has three tuning forks as their logo.

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My Mom has a very nice Yamaha baby grand piano.

 

It is surprising how much volume a small grand can put out: not only can you hear her throughout the house, the neighbors can hear her play sometimes.

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Oh, I'm referring strictly to software; the hardware interfaces have good audio quality and good converters but are also semi-crippled in terms of interconnectivity. I have RME so didn't bother, but did consider them at one point.

 

The software I refer to is Cubase (gives me a nervous breakdown trying to set it up to work properly with MIDI), Wavelab (new to the Mac, v8 is an improvement on v7 and I keep an open mind about v9 finally being "there" for Mac mastering work, since most Mac mastering programs are now dead apps/companies), and HALion sampler.

 

Aah, cool. I haven't used midi in donks. My Cubase journey was the MIDI only sequencer on an Atari 1040ste, 3.something audio on a PC and then SX as I mentioned above. I hope It works out. Do you use other more Mac friendly software?

 

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I have to wonder if Line 6 didn't need the cash infusion, and maybe some tech assistance, as well. They've discontinued nearly as many products as they currently offer, including many of the ToneCore modules, a couple of the original Modelers, and the more affordable Variax guitars. There have also been serious hardware/component failures with some products, like the board-mounted switches in the Modelers, and a host of noise or failure issues in the POD line.

 

Whatever the case, I do hope this is a good move for Line 6, and Yamaha. I've always found Yamaha music gear to be very dependable, and I have fond memories of learning to ride, and to fall, on a 50cc(?) or so Yamaha motorcycle, back when I was 15, and working on a dairy farm for the Summer. You've got to love a motorcycle company that has three tuning forks as their logo.

 

Re: hardware...I love my M13, but feel nervous about the life span of those switches. Have you had any issues with yours?

 

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