KenElevenShadows Posted April 30, 2003 Share Posted April 30, 2003 Just curious. What was the first program in which you could record and edit, etc. on a computer? When did it come out? What kind of computer did it run on? Ken Lee Photography - photos and books Eleven Shadows ambient music The Mercury Seven-cool spacey music Linktree to various sites Instagram Nightaxians Video Podcast Eleven Shadows website Ken Lee Photography Pinterest Page Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philip OKeefe Posted April 30, 2003 Share Posted April 30, 2003 Wow, good question Ken... I can remember some very early ones, but I can't say with authority which was "first". It will be interesting to see the replies on this one. Good question / thread topic! :thu: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sylver Posted April 30, 2003 Share Posted April 30, 2003 The Amiga maybe? I really don't know what to put here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rog951 Posted April 30, 2003 Share Posted April 30, 2003 Hmmmm. I dunno. The general idea seemed to kinda slowly crawl out of sampling technology. The question kinda pops up "when does it become a DAW?" I can remember recording and editing stereo WAV files with some PC DOS program in the late '80s...about ten seconds worth and my hard drive was full. Still, that wasn't really a DAW. If I had to lay down some money, I'd bet Synclavier will be involved. None more black. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bunny Knutson Posted April 30, 2003 Share Posted April 30, 2003 Hmmm... I wonder if it was something that grew out of a MIDI program, sorta like Cakewalk software did. What about the Fairlight? Does that count? https://bunny.bandcamp.com/ https://theystolemycrayon.bandcamp.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gus Lozada Posted April 30, 2003 Share Posted April 30, 2003 I guess by Definition, a DAW means working AUDIO and MIDI in the same machine. I guess it was Studio Vision from OPCODE, released in 1990, the first one on achieving this. Músico, Productor, Ingeniero, Tecnólogo Senior Product Manager, América Latina y Caribe - PreSonus at Fender Musical Instruments Company Instagram: guslozada Facebook: Lozada - Música y Tecnología www.guslozada.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gus Lozada Posted April 30, 2003 Share Posted April 30, 2003 [quote]Originally posted by Gus Lozada: [b]I guess by Definition, a DAW means working AUDIO and MIDI in the same machine. I guess it was Studio Vision from OPCODE, released in 1990, the first one on achieving this.[/b][/quote]Of course, it ran on a MAC Músico, Productor, Ingeniero, Tecnólogo Senior Product Manager, América Latina y Caribe - PreSonus at Fender Musical Instruments Company Instagram: guslozada Facebook: Lozada - Música y Tecnología www.guslozada.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GT40sc Posted April 30, 2003 Share Posted April 30, 2003 I'll take a guess... The LucasFilm "Sound-Droid," 1985 they had one for film as well, called the "Edit-Droid." and no, this is not a joke... Howzat? SC "If the machine produces tranquillity, it's right." ---Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KenElevenShadows Posted April 30, 2003 Author Share Posted April 30, 2003 I thought about the Fairlight, too, and other DAWs (even cheap ones like the Ensoniq ESQ 16 or whatever it was called). But unless the Fairlight was run off a computer (as opposed to having computing in it), I was wondering which was the first DAW on a computer specifically. I just can't think of what it would be!!! In either case, we'll have some really great guesses, and the lines will probably be blurred a bit. Ken Lee Photography - photos and books Eleven Shadows ambient music The Mercury Seven-cool spacey music Linktree to various sites Instagram Nightaxians Video Podcast Eleven Shadows website Ken Lee Photography Pinterest Page Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Klopmeyer Posted April 30, 2003 Share Posted April 30, 2003 Ken, you are asking two ndifferent questions, I think. 1. What was the first DAW? 2. What was the first software-specific DAW to run on a standard PC? The answers are also different depending at what point in the evolution you call it a DAW. There were mono and two-track sample waveform capture/editing apps quite awhile before the computer power caught up with the code base ability for serious multitrack work. - Jeff Marketing Communications for MI/Pro Audio My solo music and stuff They Stole My Crayon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wow Posted April 30, 2003 Share Posted April 30, 2003 I did music on a commador 64. If you could call it music. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alndln Posted April 30, 2003 Share Posted April 30, 2003 Although there were early audio programs on the Amiga,they were hardly usable compared to tape or digital tape(Adat ect.).I'd say "Deck" on the early Mac's were the first usable mulitrack DAW on a computer. "A Robot Playing Trumpet Blows" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CayoRecords Posted April 30, 2003 Share Posted April 30, 2003 It was the Mac plus/SE, and the atari 1040 st...but at a smoking 8mhz, it was incapable of recording...Soon came the Mac IIx and SE 30, which doubled the clock speed, but lacked any dsp....In 1989, Digidesign released "soundtools", which was a box that hooked to your mac or atari...It added a motorola 56000 dsp...Next came "soundtools II" and the apple nubus card....And the rest is up to you to research.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MixterRader Posted April 30, 2003 Share Posted April 30, 2003 used to have a Yamaha music computer. don't remember the model name. midi only of course. it had a 4 operator synth built in (dx27 i think). you could even program in basic. cassette tape back up. Be a professional musician. Or just sound like one! Produce music with THOUSANDS of loops and effects. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mats Olsson. Posted April 30, 2003 Share Posted April 30, 2003 Sound Designer was before 1990, Digi also had a card for SE/30. I remember seeing some system for Atari that consiisted of software + external hardware but it might have been as late as 1989/90? Then, on the other hand, the Synclavier had it all.... way before anyone else. /Mats http://www.lexam.net/peter/carnut/man.gif What do we want? Procrastination! When do we want it? Later! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP3 Posted April 30, 2003 Share Posted April 30, 2003 My first "DAW" was C-Lab Notator on an Atari Mega 2 using an AKAI S1000 for recording and triggering samples. It was a very effective workstation with a wonderful MIDI engine w/ groundbreaking SMPTE support and very workable audio control via samplers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mats Olsson. Posted April 30, 2003 Share Posted April 30, 2003 I don't think that MIDI sequencing alone is enought to constitute a DAW. What about audio? /Mats http://www.lexam.net/peter/carnut/man.gif What do we want? Procrastination! When do we want it? Later! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP3 Posted April 30, 2003 Share Posted April 30, 2003 While Notator was not a DAW, using it with a sampler was the first time I had computer control over audio. Not exactly a DAW though. Logic would have been my first true DAW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wow Posted April 30, 2003 Share Posted April 30, 2003 Global Thermo Nuclear War. :freak: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haolemon Posted April 30, 2003 Share Posted April 30, 2003 Aren't we forgetting about Pro Tools? I'm pretty sure it was around as a DAW before Vision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gus Lozada Posted April 30, 2003 Share Posted April 30, 2003 [quote]Originally posted by Gary flanigan: [b]Aren't we forgetting about Pro Tools? I'm pretty sure it was around as a DAW before Vision.[/b][/quote]Nope. The first COMMERCIALLY available -and at a price affordable for the masses- MIDI/AUDIO sequencing software was Opcode's Studio Vision. There were some other audio-only apps around previous to this one but this was the first on achiveving it at this level. Músico, Productor, Ingeniero, Tecnólogo Senior Product Manager, América Latina y Caribe - PreSonus at Fender Musical Instruments Company Instagram: guslozada Facebook: Lozada - Música y Tecnología www.guslozada.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Klopmeyer Posted May 1, 2003 Share Posted May 1, 2003 [quote]Originally posted by Gary flanigan: [b]Aren't we forgetting about Pro Tools? I'm pretty sure it was around as a DAW before Vision.[/b][/quote]No. Pro Tools evolved from other Digi technologies like Sample Cell and Sound Tools. I'll refer back to what I said in my first post. This all depends on what you define as a DAW. And no, MIDI does not make a DAW. We're talking about audio recording and editing, usually combined with MIDI in a single integrated app. - Jeff Marketing Communications for MI/Pro Audio My solo music and stuff They Stole My Crayon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alndln Posted May 1, 2003 Share Posted May 1, 2003 [quote]Originally posted by Jeff the Wandering Weasel: [b] Pro Tools evolved from other Digi technologies like Sample Cell and Sound Tools. [/b][/quote]Yes,and before that was Deck.In fact Digi enlisted the creators of Deck in their quest,but eventually they parted ways.Deck was around before Sound Tools and Waaaay before Sample Cell.It's still around in fact. "A Robot Playing Trumpet Blows" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Surack Posted May 1, 2003 Share Posted May 1, 2003 I had a Synclavier back in about 1986, 87 and it had a hard disk recording option... 8 Tracks ... for about $225,000 extra on top of the $200K for the main sampling keyboard unit!!! The sequencer in it was so lame I had to go back to Performer 1.22. It couldn't even do a tempo change. For laughs, I have a copy of my $400,000+ Synclavier quote in our lobby. Chuck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Klopmeyer Posted May 1, 2003 Share Posted May 1, 2003 [quote]Originally posted by Chuck Surack: [b]For laughs, I have a copy of my $400,000+ Synclavier quote in our lobby.[/b][/quote]Awesome. Both the Synclavier and the Fairlight were incredible technologies for their time, and when you have a unique capability like that, the price is whatever the market will support. Plenty of serious musicians and composers bought them, even at a quarter mill and way up. Today, you can get free software (as in the "LE" versions bundled with audio products) that exceeds the capabilities of those early dedicated DAW tools. - Jeff Marketing Communications for MI/Pro Audio My solo music and stuff They Stole My Crayon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wow Posted May 1, 2003 Share Posted May 1, 2003 Easy on us PTLE people. We are people too. :p ...besides RTAS sound just as good as TDM. (Flame on)! :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henchman Posted May 1, 2003 Share Posted May 1, 2003 [quote]Originally posted by Jeff the Wandering Weasel: Today, you can get free software (as in the "LE" versions bundled with audio products) that exceeds the capabilities of those early dedicated DAW tools. - Jeff[/QB][/quote]Yes, but those pieces had a "sound", unlike the new stuff. Just liek emax samplers had a certain "sound". It's not just one's and zero's. IMDB Credit list President George Washington: "The government of the United States is in no sense founded on the Christian Religion." President Abraham Lincoln: "The Bible is not my book, nor Christianity my religion." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VerySoon Posted May 1, 2003 Share Posted May 1, 2003 It was probably something developed at IRCAM to study sound synthesis, recording, storage and recall. [url=http://www.ircam.fr/presentation/historique/page-e.html]Read their history here.[/url] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KenElevenShadows Posted May 2, 2003 Author Share Posted May 2, 2003 [b][/QUOTE]Yes, but those pieces had a "sound", unlike the new stuff. [/b][/QUOTE] Awwww, sure they do: thin. Ken Lee Photography - photos and books Eleven Shadows ambient music The Mercury Seven-cool spacey music Linktree to various sites Instagram Nightaxians Video Podcast Eleven Shadows website Ken Lee Photography Pinterest Page Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anderton Posted May 2, 2003 Share Posted May 2, 2003 I'll go with Gus on this one -- the first computer-based DAW that resembled what we're used to today was StudioVision, which integrated hard disk recording with MIDI. There were audio recording programs before that, and MIDI programs, but nothing like StudioVision. I remember sitting at a NAMM show suite, as David Willebrink (formerly with Blank Software) demonstrated audio recording over a MIDI sequence, and even edited it. It was quite a shock at the time. Craig Anderton Educational site: http://www.craiganderton.org Music: http://www.youtube.com/thecraiganderton Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/craig_anderton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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