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I got my investments tied up in Jam Points over this!
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Yamaha tech takes so long to evolve, it's actually banned in Oklahoma.
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1 hour ago, ElmerJFudd said:
My assumption is that a modern ANX engine only shares the name in common with any previous efforts on VA synthesis.
What has Yamaha done more currently on this front... well, there's the reface CS and an iOS synth they called AN included with an app called Yamaha Synthbook. Given how good many current software VAs are, this is definitely an area one would hope some homework was done starting with modern code on how to model analogue circuits.
Reface CS2 confirmed!!!!!!!!!!!!
But more seriously, it's hard to imagine that Yamaha would keep the successor to its popular AN tech locked away behind a mega workstation for mega bucks. I imagine at some point they're gonna trickle down the tech to a more dedicated instrument; with the MODX+ having come out last year, it'd be weird to release a MODX++, so I'd rule that line out.
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Got to try out the 7000 again, and uh...turns out it feels very nice 😅. I was surprised by the level of dynamics I was able to get from the samples too, not bad _at all_. Knowing the feature list of 6000, I came in with a good idea on how to operate the 7000, or so I thought...they really do consider the 7000 for a "typical" home player, 'cause features such as the DSP section are nowhere to be seen. If you're thinking of getting the 7000 because it has the most pianos, etc, be careful and make sure the features you'd sacrifice from a lower tier aren't dealbreakers.
My new CP88 has some jank-ish keys, as did my YC from a month-ish ago 🥲, so I think I'm gonna give Yamaha a rest and snag the 6000. I was gonna use it as a controller, but honestly the internal sounds might be good enough to play at a gig solo!
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5 hours ago, Paul Woodward said:
Well, after much deliberation I bought a CK-61 (refurbed by Yamaha) for a reduced price. It arrived and looks absolutely brand new and with full 2 year warranty.
I was hesitant given some views about thin sounds and poor keybed but, even with the speakers on (which are much better than expected) and no tweaking of EQ etc. these sounds are not thin, quite the opposite. I am reminded of the patches in the YC61 which needed tweaking to suit and, so far, I am not 'lacking' anything from that board (those LED drawbars, while cool, were never used).
As for the keybed, delighted with it, but that's probably because I am not looking for something weighted for serious piano work, and I was considering getting another VR09 so that keybed was my benchmark here.
You can get more expression from this keybed should you 'need' to cover some piano work at a push, but its light and responsive enough to play fast organ and synths. Its better than the YC61 for me as that had a horrible resistance which made playing sluggish. Plus, this is nice and quiet.
The wav playback feature is going to be very useful, as is the three split zones. That is essentially four sounds from the board at any one time and as a top board that is great. The interface is what the YC should have been; easy to read, assignable colours etc. I know of users who had to add strips of tape to the YC just to see the different sections on stage.
So, to summarise on a first play out of the box, this looks like a steal at what I paid (£650 delivered) compared to almost £2k for a YC which I ended up hating. It has some more features, its only at the beginning of its retail life (so scope for many new updates) and already does much of what I will need.
I am actually looking forward to digging in later but first impressions are positive (and that is coming from both YC61 and VR09). I know where this fits into my rig and how the other equipment integrates (iPad over USB and audio and MIDI in from my Korg Piano for instance).
I think if you take it for what it is, and dont expect a stage piano replacement (maybe CK88 for that?), there is a lot there for your money
Yay!!
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Yeah it looks hot.
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2 hours ago, Paul Woodward said:
long as its not a complete dog.
Given that it has the features I liked from the YC, am I likely to find it a suitable replacement?
Soundset in many of the more basic instances (piano, EP, etc) is derived from the CP/YC (though it also has way more sounds in total), so if you like some of those sounds such as the CFX you have a good idea of what to expect. Action is light and smooth compared to the VR09 which is very "harsh" in its springiness. I think I prefer the overall organ sound from VR09, has more punch and tweakability, but for basic organ functions the CK is decent. Connectivity, as you've expressed, is much more featured on the CK than the VR.
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Just now, Paul Woodward said:
Had no idea Roland did this. It must just be certain boards. Pretty sure the JDXi I just got doesnt bring audio in from an iPad. Im not even sure if it works with IOS devices even though it has built in audio USB interface.
The FP line has it, I believe RD88 has it too, don't know about the others out there.
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Thank you for sharing these! I came away knowing a lot more and being really impressed by the VL1: it's very expressive, but the sound technology wasn't quite there to emulate the timbre of an instrument like the flute the way we hear modelling instruments do now, and so you get this cool quasi-synth/quasi-acoustic sound that's really unique. Would love if there was a VST version of this!
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3 hours ago, AnotherScott said:
No Rolands. (Their boards that do audio over USB require custom drivers, and it's not possible to install custom drivers under iOS.) Also afaik, no Kawai, Hammond, Casio, or Nord.
Really? I've gone to stores with my iPad and plugged it into an FP30X using a USB cable, and it instantly transmitted MIDI and audio...didn't even know it was a feature until I plugged it in after turning the FP speakers off and couldn't figure out why I wasn't getting sound out of the iPad!
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13 hours ago, hrestov said:
The few times I use the Cfx was in mono from only output R. I compare to the Cfx of Yamaha Cp73 and it’s similar.
And I think that Yamaha Cp73 Cfx is one of the best mono sounding acoustic piano.Have a CP88 coming in today (yeah peeps I know 😭), looking forward to trying the R output! I've only ever tried mono using the L.
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Is it not their ProFeel keybed?
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9 minutes ago, Radagast said:
Well now. Polyphonic aftertouch. Seems they are smarter than Korg, Roland and Yamaha. Are those big screens I see on each one?
It's interesting, 'cause these keybeds are made with Fatar, but I don't know which 88 key board of Fatar's supports Poly AT. The TP110 would be the obvious suspect for the keybed, but that only supports mono AT...unless they modified the 110 to include poly?
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6 minutes ago, Delaware Dave said:
(before the synthesizer)
Hammond B3
Mellotron
Hohner Clavinet
Wurlitzer Electric Piano
Rhodes Electric Piano
I always thought the piano was overrated anyways!
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5 hours ago, hrestov said:
Yamaha CFX of Cp73. And use only R output. Hands down. Sounds good for me, and for every people that listen at the gig because all listen the same sound.
I never like L+R because of phasing issu
I vaguely remember seeing some posts about this, but why the R and not the L(mono) output?
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15 minutes ago, Reezekeys said:
Why not? There's this one: https://www.native-instruments.com/en/products/komplete/keys/the-giant/
Actually the first thing that came to my mind watching that youtube was "someone should sample that!"
If one can be impressed by this unique piano listening to it's audio on a youtube, seems like it should make a very nice plugin!
Hell, I can't remember the name right now, but there's a sample library company out there that collaborated with a dude on YouTube who does things like filling a grand piano with water, they sample his experiments.
As for this piano, it looks nice, but the presumed lack of aftertouch is a deal-breaker for me.
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1 hour ago, Dave Ferris said:
Sage advice from Chick Corea 32 years ago.
Chick Corea once wrote he never spelt anything out in chord spellings beyond the 7.
Chord spellings are effective shorthand and can be a lot of fun but sometimes I wonder if it can damage our perception of music when we try to distill it so strongly into this little system. I remember as a high schooler finding the piano book for this and they actually were mad enough to use chord spellings on this.
The amount of extensions and parentheses made you think the editor got paid by the character! 😂
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I've had a CP or YC on and off for the last three years, never had any issues with the toggles.
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50 minutes ago, Delaware Dave said:
I'm using the Gemini module and the pianos are loaded into that. What are you using for hardware, an IOS device like an Ipad? It might be your hardware and how it is setup. I hear none of that on the Gemini hardware.
Maybe but they're not entirely the same, and it's not a click in the hardware clipping sense or anything. Again, it sounds like it just has a really pronounced attack.
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Wait am I the only one who experiences the clicks? 😭
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1 hour ago, Artomas said:
Well, I wasn't expecting Elektron to show up before, but now the decision's made for them.
The organizers will give them a pity pass, they know Elektron is Swedish and that that can't be helped.
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28 minutes ago, pjd said:
NAMM 2024 January 25 to 28!
Can't wait for the official banners to start coming out: "NAMM 2024 - It Can't Be Worse Than NAMM 2023!"
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7 hours ago, RandyFF said:
Have been meaning to respond to this one. Here's the comment on wrote on their YouTube channel:
"I give this blindfold shoot out a thumbs down. The concept is good: blindfolded means there'll be no pre-conceptions. And Mike Patrick is a great player.
But any serious or semi-serious digital piano player knows there are a few adjustments that HAVE to be made:
1. Setting the velocity sensitivity to suit the player is absolutely required, it can change the feel considerably. For example, with the Numa X Piano, besides the usual velocity setting there's also a second setting, Keyboard Sensitivity. Mike remarked that the sounds sometimes jumped out at him uncontrollably on that board, hence the need to dial in both of those setting. People who've reviewed this board have remarked at how fluid and absolutely expressive this new keybed is, but first they found the sensitivity that worked for them.
> And it's not like those settings would be that hard to set or take that much time, and could easily be done while Mike was blindfolded. It would certainly lend credibility to the shootout for the majority of us keyboard players that know how important these settings are in order to fairly compare one board to the next. And it wouldn't even need to be part of the video, just an acknowledgment that it was done.
2. Choosing the piano. We're not talking about going in-depth or fine-tuning or even eq'ing, but there does need to be a selection of the piano sound. Most keyboards have 2-5 pianos, and while there can be multiple examples of any given piano, usually the first one of its kind is optimized. Some preparation and judgement call would need to be made by the producer to streamline and simplify this selection process for Mike. Once again, selecting which piano was used could be done off camera, and still blindfolded.
The excuse given here was that it'd take forever to find the best piano sound, but all told, if the presenter was prepared, this could be a 5-10 minute process for each board, including setting the velocity settings.
Once I saw that this small but significant bit of extra work was not done to find the best piano and velocity response for the player, I knew right away that the results would have very limited meaning, even for Mike Patrick and could not be taken seriously."
Have been meaning to respond to this one. Here's the comment on wrote on their YouTube channel:
"I give this blindfold shoot out a thumbs down. The concept is good: blindfolded means there'll be no pre-conceptions. And Mike Patrick is a great player.
But any serious or semi-serious digital piano player knows there are a few adjustments that HAVE to be made:
1. Setting the velocity sensitivity to suit the player is absolutely required, it can change the feel considerably. For example, with the Numa X Piano, besides the usual velocity setting there's also a second setting, Keyboard Sensitivity. Mike remarked that the sounds sometimes jumped out at him uncontrollably on that board, hence the need to dial in both of those setting. People who've reviewed this board have remarked at how fluid and absolutely expressive this new keybed is, but first they found the sensitivity that worked for them.
> And it's not like those settings would be that hard to set or take that much time, and could easily be done while Mike was blindfolded. It would certainly lend credibility to the shootout for the majority of us keyboard players that know how important these settings are in order to fairly compare one board to the next. And it wouldn't even need to be part of the video, just an acknowledgment that it was done.
2. Choosing the piano. We're not talking about going in-depth or fine-tuning or even eq'ing, but there does need to be a selection of the piano sound. Most keyboards have 2-5 pianos, and while there can be multiple examples of any given piano, usually the first one of its kind is optimized. Some preparation and judgement call would need to be made by the producer to streamline and simplify this selection process for Mike. Once again, selecting which piano was used could be done off camera, and still blindfolded.
The excuse given here was that it'd take forever to find the best piano sound, but all told, if the presenter was prepared, this could be a 5-10 minute process for each board, including setting the velocity settings.
Once I saw that this small but significant bit of extra work was not done to find the best piano and velocity response for the player, I knew right away that the results would have very limited meaning, even for Mike Patrick and could not be taken seriously."
I think if you wanted to preserve the blindfold element you could even have the player call out what they're feeling ie "I can't get a pianissimo" or "I feel like I have to really force out the higher dynamics", and the other person can be on standby to adjust the velocity settings in real time.
Just last week I was trying out the FP90X and was underwhelmed by the keybed...until I tweaked the velocity sensitivity. "Oh, THIS is why people love the PHA50!"
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18 minutes ago, pjd said:
This is all guesswork and roughly zero real evidence. 🙂
It's an interesting theory, and has a ring of plausibility to it, though.
I'm very interested to see if Yamaha treats the YC as the CP v2 (which is what it feels like in a lot of ways, though in some ways it also feels like CP is YC 0.5 if you get the distinction), or if they'd actually make a CP sequel that carries on more of CP88's explicit DNA and adds highly requested features such as a more sophisticated piano engine.
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