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AI is Doomed to Fail......
This title brings me great joy. (in the musical sphere I mean) What an optimistic thought👍🤣
If true, we have a bright future to look forward to.
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49 minutes ago, D. Gauss said:
After I got the Valhalla verbs (Room, Plate, Vintage and delay), I never looked back. They're on every single mix for over 10 years now. https://valhalladsp.com/
Yes Valhalla is a very good verb. I did try the demo way back. Thing is for me, it's an algorithmic reverb for artificial spaces, which I have mountains of. Also I am focused on surround reverbs which use true stereo/quad impulse responses, as I'm recreating real spaces. I've originally tried a pair of stereo reverbs for front and rear, however phasing issues cause problems, causing it to lack realism and skewing the stereo image.
If I just went back to standard stereo in artificial spaces, I'd be spoilt for choice. For recreating real spaces, Altiverb has been one of the favorites, but it's too expensive!
This is why Space Designer has been an absolute revelation for me as it also does algorithmic and psychedelic artificial spaces 👍
But it's included true quad impulses, with lots of tweaking, breath incredibly large spaces with amazing distance in all directions.
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11 hours ago, J.F.N. said:
"Plugins get tricky because you start to hear with your eyes. Some of them have flashy interfaces - they make you think they’re doing more than they’re actually doing"
Yes, that's very much something I've come to realize. When it comes to reverbs, I have several convolution reverbs which I have paid for, for their surround support. One of them is EW Spaces2. It has a lovely photo of the actual hall/church/studio etc that the impulse response represents. Whereas Logic's Space Designer is a pretty basic programmers' interface.
I thought the EW sounded better initially, but after spending many more months on SD, have found I can get a better sound than from Spaces2. Now when I return to Spaces2, I can't get anything I'm that happy with. On a side note, I've stopped using Spaces because it only allows one activation, which stuffs up my projects if I want to load a studio project on my laptop. And I'm done with constantly transferring licences between desktop and laptop via the iLok manager. I don't have enough usb ports for an iLok drive on the laptop.
This goes for many paid plugins, it's too much hassle to transfer one licence all the time. That's another reason using Logics, (or other DAW's), bundled plugins gives so much more freedom to move.
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25 minutes ago, Anderton said:
Not saying it can't, just that I haven't heard anything remotely like a well-crafted song, let alone a future "standard." Maybe it's just not getting the right prompts...
I think that's the case, I spent a little more time with it, getting know how to input in the right context. I think it will ultimately be like a lot of automation, garbage in, garbage out.
But once you learn how to drive it, the experienced musician is likely to get out something pretty convincing.
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Couldn't help myself, 30 second offering form Udio👍
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14 hours ago, J.F.N. said:
I got the Black Hole plugin, it's endless and easy to get lost in, and then bored in the end... also got a bunch of other reverb plugins, way too many, that I swooped up on promotions, but this one is by far my most used one:
https://www.eventideaudio.com/plug-ins/sp2016-reverb/
Amazing little gem imho!
(On promo fairly frequently...)
I'm wondering how similar Black Hole is to Raum? And maybe some presets of Zebrify?
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On 4/23/2024 at 10:16 AM, David Emm said:
I can sympathize with the distraction of imaginary perfection, but I'm sure I'm not the only one to put convolution on the master outs for the glorious globuance of it all. I have a loose baker's dozen of nice reverbs that fit my style(s). I use them carefully, lest things turn into mud. I'm glad I had my era of stacking early low-fi reverbs to mask their individual flaws. Now I know that a Mellotron generally needs its own bit of reverb to work best and how to balance that against the main one. Its a colorful form of juggling.
Agree, as a user of Conv reverb to put my total arrangement in a common space, it usually sits on the master out, with various other subtle reverbs/effects on individual channel inserts.
Many vst's these days come with their own convolution reverbs, which generally sit ok by default with my mix, though there are a few which have to be removed to prevent the "mud" you speak of. I sometimes get frustrated when they are set by patch and there's no master disable though.
My biggest use of plate reverb is actually Mellotron.😁
Mellotron flute particularly sits nice and authentically distant with plate first and convolution hall second. -
The Ops song is scary real!
I tried it for the first time. Wanted to create an instrumental track without lyrics, which it did. But it sounded more like a finger held down for a few minutes on the keys of an ethereal synth pad. Pretty rubbish actually. I suppose it expects more mainstream genres of songs with words! Not game to let anyone hear it👇
Jeez, I so want to hate this, and yearn for it to fail!
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All good points to note. I won't rabble on in too much detail but, the thing which has complicated my life with reverb more recently is spending more time in the Convolution space trying to emulate the real places the impulse responses have been recorded from.
When I use algorithmic reverbs, it's a lot easier to settle on one I like, as my ears just appreciate the pleasant feeling of a fictitious place.
But with conv reverb, It's a bit of rabbit hole, and akin to pursuing the perfect weighted action.
To quote a phrase I once read, of trying to convey an experience of a certain beautiful wild place in the real world....to be there is the only way.
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3 hours ago, AROIOS said:
Dissecting one preset thoroughly, will pay more dividends than casually browsing through a thousand.
Once we figure out what parameters contribute most to that preset, and how/why they shaped that sound the way they did, we can apply those techniques to programming hundreds of our own presets. It's a rewarding and empowering practice.
I guess my motivation for the endless scrolling initially, is to narrow down my favorites for further parameter tweaking, and eliminate the rest from the palate.
We are spoiled for choice, and at the same time "save as" is cheap, and leads to countless similar presets, with misleading and contrasting names.
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6 hours ago, GovernorSilver said:
Once I settled on plate reverb as my favorite type, the endless scrolling through reverb presets pretty much came to an end.
I also like the Black Hole reverb algorithm on Eventide H9, but I'm susceptible to getting lost in endless tweaking on that one so I don't use it that often these days.
I traditionally favored plates for their high density open neutral sounding airyness, and was quite happy in a very short time of tweaking to get what I want. I have always liked the RC48 verb, for it's emulation of the Lexicon for this reason.
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6 hours ago, CEB said:
From a pure keyboardist perspective:
Verb should be felt but not heard.
I agree, particularly in the context in which I'm using it. For me that is surround, and it's about closing the eyes and imagining you are in the real space you are emulating. The point is not to hear any reverb/reflections as a point source, but to create the sense of space in which the source sound is sitting.
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I think the attraction of paid plugins, and I'm only talking about effects here not synths, are that they are gift wrapped in nice GUI's and often have much of the hard work done in the settings. So I'm not against paying for someone else's hard work if I think it will save me some effort and will give the result "straight out of the zip".
But as a result of this mindset, it's so easy to disregard the excellent quality already in one's collection just because they were bundled.
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I wonder if auditioning the countless number of reverb presets looking for the "right" effect is like wine tasting? After trawling through dozens and tweaking settings, I start to lose my reference and they all start sounding similar, and none of them are exactly what I want.
Is it like wine tasting where you need a wash of water and a break before trying the next one. In the end, I have to walk away for awhile and have a fresh start with rested ears.
What's the general consensus on the best way to get through this without developing preset fatigue? Or am I the only pair of ears to ever face this problem?
On a related issue, I had come to realize recently, that I was wasting so much money purchasing commercial effects plugins on the promise of more polished audio when, with a bit of effort, the default Logic plugins are actually better in many ways. Often they just need a bit more knob twiddling and user manual reading to come out as good as a commercial product costing hundreds of dollars. I've come to the conclusion, the deeper I dig into space designer for example, the more incredible its surround sound quality really is, and it's been sitting under my nose for years, and it's taken me this long to see the light😀👍
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5 minutes ago, ElmerJFudd said:
Is it reasonably possible to upgrade the pots on it the FC35 to better match their spec?
It won't be necessary. The Montage AD converter on the damper will allow the full range using the 10K, as the input is capable of anything from 10 to 50K.
Interestingly the Roland pedal, has pots of about 5k, and I managed to get continuous damper values from 0 to 110, which was enough to enable the half and full damper functionality on any sound.
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Well, the tech returned my call and we had a good long conversation about the Montage. The FC35 pedal has 3 continuous controllers with 10k pots, which is all I need to know. The pot resistance is at the bottom of the compatibility range for the Montage but should be fine. We also discussed other technical details about the workings of the Montage, so I have enough information to do what I need to do.
Interestingly, armed with this info, I had another play around with my other pedals connected to the Montage, and managed to get the Roland RPU-3 damper pedal to work in continuous/half damper mode using one of the assignable controllers, as I don't own any Yamaha pedals at this stage.
If I plug the other 2 pedals in to the other controller slots at the same time, unfortunately because of how the Roland pedal unit is wired the Montage plug sensing circuit thinks nothing is plugged in at all. So for now at least, I have a damper pedal only, which doesn't slide around the floor👍 I will however purchase an FC35, change the plugs and should be good to go.
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43 minutes ago, ElmerJFudd said:
I also think the FC35 is an FC3 and two FC5 design and behavior wise.
I suspect you are correct there. That's why I'm hoping that there is a commonality in circuit specs across the Yamaha pedals. If there is, then it'll be a piece of cake to wire it for the Montage.
43 minutes ago, ElmerJFudd said:Given how popular and successful software pianos have been - with enthusiasts collecting them - I am simply astounded that several lovely brass black lacquer Bluetooth/USB triple pedals are not on the market.
That's what has astounded me also. I'd be an early adopter for sure.👍 Though judging by the general interest in the topic in this thread, I have to wonder how many folk really are interested. Perhaps there's only a small percentage of digital piano purists on this forum?
While I was in the mood, I made a call to my local Yamaha tech support. The person I spoke to put me on to a tech, but I had to leave a voicemail, so will see where that leads me. I would think it is a valid tech support topic, given that my Montage is only 6 months old and under warranty. I do have the controller tech specs for the Montage, (original), so I'm halfway there. I know what the Montage is expecting, and what pin, I just don't know what's inside the FC35.
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48 minutes ago, ElmerJFudd said:
If it’s the latter, consider an audiofront autosensing pedal to USB converter. https://www.audiofront.net/MIDIExpression.php
That's the thingy box I mentioned above. Couldn't remember the name of it! I looked at getting one a while back. The shipping details looked a bit complicated at the time, and I also didn't then because I was looking at using a Kawai GPF3 for the Montage, as it's the best pedal of them all with it's optical proximity sensing, but this adapter doesn't support that, and I would have had to design and build another interface between the pedal and adapter! I've since sold the Kawai and pedal, but I find the Roland triple to be the next best thing. It's very smooth. Not sure, but I suspect it uses nylon string pulleys rather than gritty plastic gears like the SL.
Perhaps I'll revisit the adapter again as the Roland should be compatible.
Yes I want the triple for both reasons,
Una/Sost/Damper for vst pianos and pianoteq,
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Continuous damper for the onboard pianos as well as function switching for left and center pedals for other functions. eg Arp/motion switch etc.
There are pros and cons using the Roland with the adapter though.
The pro is that all 3 pedals are continuous pots, which I discovered was great when playing the Montage ESP software on the RD88, as I assigned the superknob to the left continuous pedal.
whereas the cons are that it may be a problem when using them for switching, program change etc. unless the Montage can detect analog threshold change to 2 state detection.
It's why I simply wanted to just order something pretty much off the shelf and change plugs. I think the FC35 is 2 switches and a continuous damper. Would plug straight into the Montage controllers.
It seems that avoiding a tedious solution is in itself becoming complicated😬
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6 hours ago, ElmerJFudd said:
So one might consider replacing the cable with 3 of your own, copying the wiring and plugging the right into sustain, the middle and left into assignable pedal inputs on the Montage.
So that being my thinking is the only easy answer. Which is why all I am looking for is the schematic. I could take a chance and blindly buy one, it just gets a bit more messy if I have to replace the pot too, if it's value falls outside the range compatible with the Montage continuous range. I was hoping to ask any long time Yamaha folk if in their opinion Yamaha are likely to standardize their internal specs so they don't have too many different parts in their production, and that the continuous sensing range for the Px pianos is the same as the Montage.
I know there is that MIDI universal pedal adapter thingy box, can't remember the name, but it seems to be a hard product to source, particularly where I live.
That's why buying a triple from Yamaha and changing the plug seemed such a 10 minute easy fix.
I've had a bit of a run with triples lately. I also have the Roland RPU-3 for my RD88, and a Studiologic SL3P-3 for the Numa X piano.
The SL quality leaves a bit to be desired, and have already had that apart cleaning and relubing the plastic gears, (annoyingly it's still under warranty but too much hassle to get it back for service), so thought I'd try the Roland on the Numa.
Most other keyboard makers have enough settings to accommodate other brands of pedals, and the Roland works great on the Numa.
But sadly, none of them work on the Yamaha, who have the least options for setting pedal specs on the Montage.
Sensing my frustration in my rant? Is it too much to ask to have a triple pedal on a Montage? As I said in my first post, I don't want to put 3 on a board. There are other issues doing it that way I'm not wanting to deal with.
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I wish I could rename this title. It's the most generic and boring title I've ever thought up.👇
If someone has any ideas where I could go to find some Yamaha experts, other than YamahaMusicians/Forums etc, I'd be forever grateful.
Failing that, I need to find a triple pedal that is compatible with Montage.
Oh wait, maybe I should just contact Yamaha support?
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Does anyone know the wiring schematic for a Yamaha FC35?
I don't know why Yamaha have never made a triple pedal that would suit the Montage. The Montage M8x advertises that the GEX gives great expression for piano, (which is true), but unlike the other manufacturers, triples are in short supply for Yamahas in general. I know the Montage supports continuous from 10K to 50K. If the FC35 had something within that range, I'd just buy one, cut the single plug off and put separate plugs on. Apart from that, I've gotten used to having a triple with my other gear, which is heavy enough to sit in one place without moving, and also use it to configure the Soft/ Sostenuto for other functions when not using it for piano. Putting 3 single pedals on a common wooden board, to me is just not elegant.😬
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5 hours ago, Paul Woodward said:
Ouch, my M2 iPad Pro absolutely flies, but it doesn't full programs so I see what you mean
I see contemporary comparison comments about iPad vs Computers, as moving on from the traditional power gap. iPads have come a long way from their hobbled limited capabilities in the early days.
But to me, it's more about the flexibility of connectivity options. Though the iPad is still a little bit sandboxed it is way more open compared to the old days, data transfers are a lot easier now, as there is enough power to perform security functions "on the fly", but for me, I do enjoy the multitude of connectivity without needing adapters, hubs etc that my Mac offers.
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28 minutes ago, CyberGene said:
Apple acquiring Arturia? 😛
As a Logic Pro user I feel that possibility may be of benefit to me financially, though I'd say very unlikely. Maybe if they were a software company only, I could see it conceivable, unless they continued trading under the Arturia name.
I originally purchased Camel Audio's Alchemy and all the extra libraries when they were their own company. Then it was consumed by Apple and incorporated into Logic. Luckily, I still have installed all the extra libraries not included with Logic version, which continued to work. So I guess I gained from that acquisition.
I use a number of included plugins in Logic which were all independent companies at some stage. But I don't go back far enough with Macs to have used Logic before it was independently not called that. I'd say I have benefited from some of these very expensive quality plugins being sucked into Logic.
My gut feeling though, is that there is some sort of merge/takeover with some other company, likely Europe based?
It's already into the evening of the 9th here in Oz, so I'll have to wake to the news in the morning🤔
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1 hour ago, stoken6 said:
"25 Years and Beyond" doesn't sound promising. It suggests an announcement about the company, not the products.
Cheers, Mike.
That was my gut feeling too!
AI is Doomed to Fail......
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It's certainly making me feel that in the future, attraction and interest in a piece if music, (or any creative product), will be determined by the fact that it is created by a real person.