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If I may say... that was brilliant, twelve thumbs up. With enough repetition, the nectar of Joy will show up!

I don't know if your point about persevering with unpleasantness, changes the point that the very talented ENJOY playing and practicing music. In my case as a kid, I unreservedly say, I loved practicing scales . Even now, away from my first love, the saxophone, I play arpeggios on an unamplified elec bass ( one of the dullest instruments when no amp ) almost obsessively. I am saying, one of the many markers of talent is an innate JOY in practice the details of music... scales, chords etc. It is not so much an endurance ( torture ) test, as an obsessive attraction to everything about your instrument and then later, about music itself, and then later how you connect that with the world around you. I am thinking of somethings Herbie Hancock said about, music being about being a human being. I am still not quite "there". lol

[quote=Outkaster I don't know with music there is another factor, can they feel what they are playing? I see musicians all the time that are not musical if that makes any sense. You can practice all you want and you will get good at that skill set but it doesnt mean you will ever be able to feel what you are doing? I see this at all levels of musicianship. I have seen lessor players run circles around people that could play well technically but had no soul, in fact I see it all the time. My Italian friend, yes, I agree with you. We are talking very very wide gap between a giant such as Bach, Mozart, and a person who is close to rhythmically weak, or almost tone deaf, or shows no sensitivity in music. In my view, the main theme here is "Sure, absolutely ANYONE can and should ( if they are inclined, regardless of talent ) play music for the joy of it... nearly everyone should" But that does not mean that a low talent person is likely to reach the talent and drive required to write a great symphony. No, the gap is wider than you realize. On the other hand, once again, "Absolutely, PLAY music, and stop comparing yourself in a negative light."

Cedar said: For example, when my son was small - from the age of about 4-10 - many people would remark about what a talented pianist was. He was routinely the most accomplished pianist at his school and in various musical groups. By the time he was a teenager, though, I could tell that he did not have as much love for music as others. He did not listen to music constantly (as I did when I was his age). He kept playing, but did not live and breathe it. And by the time he graduated high school, he was still a very good pianist, but he had been surpassed by others who had more of a single-minded interest for music. To those who did not know his background, my son would not have seemed as "talented" as some of the others. On the other hand, when my daughter was very young and she expressed an interest in singing, she did not seem to have much of an aptitude for it. Her voice, frankly, was rough and she was often off-key. But she never lost her love for music and was serious about practicing. Now, her voice is very pretty and she has no apparent problem singing in key in a wide variety of styles. It is a marvel to me how far she has come. The different in the kids, in my opinion, was simply passion and a willingness to put time and effort into their craft". cedar There is a third option... having inborn, prodigy talent, AND not trumping with no lifelong passion, but instead "hitting the ground running". I am thinking of Chick Corea, Herbie Hancock, Wolfgang Mozart. Just take a gander at the quote from Henry Ford below.

Can you ( if you already have, I missed it ) go into a little detail about: how you use 2 SS's , where you place them in relation to you, and one another . what kind of music, the relative volume you play at what instruments go into the SS's? The website hints that 2 SS almost take away from the effect of a single SS. The SS is on my radar Thanks

Did you get one yet? Of course not, I had just posted that a day ago!

While not especially into Mr Groban, I have new respect for him. His words are very wise.

What is best way to order this amp? I live in San Diego County. I can drive north and get it directly?

Agreed. I meant no disrespect. Just stating the situation. We didn't know what we were up against until we got there. I knew there was no chance it could compete when I heard the PA and saw guitar amps that were mic'd. I was happy to know everyone on stage could hear the keys. I'm going to try it in a small club in two weeks. It should shine there. Cool Barry, just saying ... I am empathizing with a small idealistic one or two man op, that puts out a new creative slant on sound production... and we inadvertently put the new product in an apples to rhinoceroses unfair situation. 3 guitar players, unless they are the best and most considerate of players, is a drag to be on stage in an accompanying capacity. I wouldn't care if I had multiple refrigerator size speakers with that noisy trio of 18 semi coordinated strings, blaring on stage.. I would not enjoy it.

Are you serious? This is ridiculously unfair. Three guitar players ? The din of "three anythings", let alone 3 guitar players... what a roar of sound it can be. There is no way to play with three guitar players without very heavy duty multiple speakers on stage. Not fun, unless everyone involved is a 1st tier player. I am glad I am not the creator of this fine speaker/amp... he has my support and sympathy.

"I might even take a long drive to hear that....so let me know if/when you want to try it. Heck, if you're anywhere near SoCal I may even loan you the two SS3s just to see and hear it for myself!" Aspen quoted If such a meeting is going to happen, might I be considered as an observer?

Whoops, now I did. Thank you very much

I use the Behringer previously mentioned. I play a lot of LHB too, and agree on the Bose frequency problem (I have two L1:s). The Behringer sub has a sweepable frequency, I've tried different settings in different rooms and it works very well. The Behringer sub essentially has an electronic Xover in it? I have never tested my theory of sweeping the crossover point in a sub. Do you find some bands, or rooms, suggest one Xover point while another suggests a different point? How heavy is this sub from Cathay? ( Behringer )

I play left hand bass regularly, and it's a part of "my style", so to speak. I am seriously considering this SS but have a question about the bass end of things. In the pic, just above, it shows a Polk audio 10"sub that crosses over at a fixed frequency of 100 HZ. 99% of keyboardist won't care about this, but I am sensitive to the whole spectrum of sound. A sub, does a left hand bass a disservice. But if I can dial in the frequency of that cross over point.. that would make a big difference in the total resulting sound. It's not a matter of loudness, it's a matter of tone, and where I want to hear which low notes reproduced.. be it the the SS or the sub. The Bose L1 fails for me in this area too, it crosses over at a fixed 200hz, where important 200+ Hz bass notes and harmonics are relegated to the skinny sticks that made Bose famous. For all I know, the Polk audio 100HZ crossover is ideal.. but experience tells me, it ought to be user choice. Is this feasible.... A relatively small, not heavy sub like the 10" Polk, is perfect for me. I tend to not like subs, because they sound unnatural to me, but couldn't that be because crossover is fixed, and overwhelms the bass with too many subsonic lows? But for a bass player keyboard player, the engineer-determined-ideal frequency is much less important than the sweet spot for certain bass tones. Can you recommend such a sub and cross over?

That's all good

Dimensions and weight in pounds?

Todays sax players and horn players are surprisingly loud, esp as an ensemble . That was thoughtful to stay below them to keep the overall harmony. I weekly ( weakly ?) play with from 1 to 4 horn players, and I learned first hand how loud 2 or more horns are. They play inside the pitch spectrum where the organ often resides.

This amp is not designed to be blasting ... it is designed for SOUND quality... NO amp/ speaker, that size is designed to deal with idiot guitar player Marshall stacks. My only question is can this SS be made to be significantly louder... and by what means. But I thank the creator of it, for this amp.

Seems to be a bit of confusion re "bloom" aka omni directionality I assume timwat that the extreme closeness to you body would nullify "bloom". Can timwit and others on the other side of this discussion, come to some agreement about placement of SS and omnidirectIonality ?

OT garner mike but is it a firm conclusion of yours, that separate bass amp is the way to get best results? Sometimes it seems like two full range speakers is better.

Thank you Bob I think I need to pick one up. Been doing organ with left hand bass, guess the left hand would go to a mixer first ? Then be sent to a K10 and this new cab/amp.

Hi Raymb1 How "far apart" as a minimum? So I ought to sell my 2 K10's and one of these replaces them? Sans FOH support ( which is 95% of the time ) , Might you "paint a picture" of how 2 K10 ( on poles or floor or ) and a single SS box would work together in a small group or even a solo one man band? I guess I want you to say what an old colleague ( he does singles and duos ) believes He says voice should be separate from keyboard amps. he goes further and says separate bass am[, and separate Leslie's !

Gents ( are there any ladies here, I have not seen one in ages ) I do not have time or patience to read this "War and Peace" 83 pages of discussion. Michael Boddicker seems to support this new technology. 1. Is there more than one iteration of this speaker/amp ( e.g. 2 or 3 sizes ?)? 2. Is the consensus that two of these is foolish ? 3 Is it really that encompassing that no PA support is needed, just a single unit? 4. It has to be excellent for Organ sounds... do aficionados of AP and EP feel as positive about it? 5. I play left hand bass, is one of these boxes sufficient for that; seems unlikely. Thank you

A female singer told me and others on different occasions - she 'can sing any tune, in any key'.. sweet woman, but she is a bit clueless.

Why did the computer sneeze? Anybody? Ok, because it caught a virus.