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Hee hee isnt it always the way. I think your heading down the right track delving into your keyboards more Just a heads up im probrably wrong here but I read the MX had 16 tracks on a quick read. check into that as it sounds like more a workstation so it may be feature rich in midi stuff. I dont know anything more about that keyboard but hoping either will get you thru without adding extra gear.

Yeah thanks. i had posted on here years ago when i got this and someone said same thing. But I am reluctant to ask that of a small cottage industry business about a legacy product that was pre his ownership. I dont think its fair to him. At moment im about to evaluate its use for my current duo work but as its unlikely an upgrade can apply key range zoning I think most of its use to me is a 10 digit program changer. The ideal device would be a Sipario with a 10 digit pad on it. But Sipario never came here and too expensive to import considering it hasnt got the 10 digit pad built in. Bemoaning the lack of 10 digit pads on all modern controller keyboards. So to the OP what ever system you use make sure you are happy how you can access programs easily. To me scrolling to a program is rediculous. My early model is good what it does for the reasonable used price I paid for it from a fellow forumite. To the OP id be surprised if either of your keyboards couldn't do what you want and act as a master. I did a quick look up and both have zoning functions so id be surprised if each zoning setup cant be sent via midi to another keyboard to change patches.

Thats a big improvement Arbitrary MIDI Data for my early model states "Each Preset can also send up to 16 bytes of arbitrary MIDI data before or after the patch change data. This data cannot be edited on the device at this time." But i cant access it via computer as last I looked they had long ago removed the windows editor files when Genovation sold it to MTG. So MTGs files i believe are for their more modern version. So Im in the dark about how or what it can do there. I think mine has 99 presets

Well that sounds good. Wasnt his name Grant something. I havent found a way to send the midi data of your choice. But mine would be an old version although the blurb with says you can. Mines the Genovation 900mpc which i think is the same but early version??

Long time out of production I believe. I actually have one here in Australia and its very rare here and i got it off a felow Aussie forumite. Coincidentally i just pulled it out of storage to see if i want to use it Live. You can do multi patch changes but cant store zone ranges

Oh bugger i read it as Steam Deck. Was imagining some steam punk controller with all the bells and whistles..literally. Still looks good though. And would it work for my Kurzie 2500R module? Imagine a Steampunk controller on a 2500 rack. Sounds perfect.

Yeah you'll be all under water with that Nautilus now.

Hah Im glad the corporates are uneasy. Sorry here comes one of my long rambles but i saw a kernel of a tool of AI affect me back in the 90s. I quit being a Graphic designer/artist back in the 90s as computers were making too big a splash into my realm of hands on artwork. Desktop publishing was fucking up the specialness of an artist. Now any secretary could whip together a logo, a business card or a letterhead using the bosses computer. Sure maybe not so artsy back then but perfectly serviceable. But it was the equivalent of a tool used in todays AI in that they were using "clip art" which to me is what AI does take Clip art/information from the world. The "secretaries/associates" can now create anything for the boss not just bussiess paraphernalia. Sure I could keep on doing handson art for bands but we all know that bands are not made of money. It was my favourite art and Id never need to go computer on it but I needed to supplement band artwork by doing corporate work and I could see the writing was on the wall for that. So I quit because I was hands on but also if i wanted to continue doing corporate work Id have to invest up to 10 grand AUD (probably about 12 to 15grand USD) back then to get into full on computer graphics beyond just desktop publishing. I wasnt interested in computers either. Handson still had high overheads in bromide paper, its chemicals (with a shelf life once opened of days) and maintaining a huge reproduction camera (stands nearly 4 foot high) plus other art gear. Another high cost was for photo typesetting when it replaced lettraset. Although computers could replace this, in those early days they were not a match for phototyesetting. So just doing band work wasnt going to survive me with those high overheads. Also I was having some of my art work stolen which really cut me to the quik so that was the final straw and i stopped doing professional Art since then. So todays corporates realise that AI's clipart is not totally legit as it could be clipped from anywhere. It reminds me of when my so called trusted Printer who used to print all my clients business needs had an example of a business card he printed for another client on his wall. He clipped art from me. He copied a card I had him print for my client and he simply changed the details to reflect his clients name and address and the logo was just an exact bromided copy with an orange sun added to try and negate copywrite. A little local Printer takes a chance because not much can happen to him but bigger corporates realise that AI will probably be a copywrite minefield Which could break them In litigation. Ps: what did i do about the printer. As a regular there I stopped using him and I rang the guy who got the printer to make the cards for him. After explaining that he has no rights to using my artwork he never picked up his printed stuff from the printer nor payed for it. Not much but something. But corporate companies have so much more to worry about than a local town printer. So endeth the second reading.

Everytime i read someone mentioning AI all my feeble little mind registers is "You can call me Al" Perhaps not a bad listen to cheer up our hurtle towards the end of the world as we know it.

Thanks mate for your thoughts and mini review on it. Its weight had my attention from its announcement. Its here in Oz apparently as my friend told me tonight he's seen they're already dropping the price. He suggested heres my chance. Maybe but for the fact of no midi dins, no proper outs etc its less interesting. Ive just started pulling out my keys after years of storage and i have a plethora of space "taker upperers" so any additions need to be carefully assessed. This friday im taking my Numa Cocal 2x to duo practise for its first run at how it'd feel at a practise or gig. It may be just too powerful and good to want a Lliano Im going to try and see if i can try out one of the Llianos at a shop if i can find one (shops are hard to find near me let a lone stocking Casio). Im just a sucker for physically lightweight keyboards that feel ok to play Need to see if it in the flesh.

Cant resist this offer to make the title more interesting. ...Ohhh thats an easy one by just switching around the words Yamaha Triple Pedals becomes Yamaha Pedals Tribbles Helps if you're a Trekkie. The trouble with Tribbles is they dont sell well so it would take a lot of pedalling on Yamaha's part

Ahh i see its upgraded internally rather than buying expansion boards (i didnt know that) and had switched over to card slot Yes i can see at the time it must have been happily embraced although why then they never made a 76 noter amazes me

Yes the dreaded XP80 red goo or glue fiasco. No good in Australia's temperatures where you simply freak thinking about leaving any gear in your car during in the daytime heat. I got both mine with that goo problem maybe 15 years ago with intention of remedying them. Aussie hot Sydney weather probably affected the glue to form the runny goo. Of coarse midi allowed me to play them without its keyboard but life got in the way of degooing them and i had the XP50 that was working but it was put in storage 9 years ago but having just pulled it out of storage Ive found no sound at all. I figure caps need doing. So i should have my XP80s out of 9 year storage soon and hoping one at least may be responsive. Now in my new house Im hoping to have a dedicated synth workshop to restore some of my board hoard. Or should i not worry and just reduce hoard hee hee probably So tell me these XP30s what did they have that bettered the XP50 that made them get such a good rep that the XP50 didnt get.

I still have 2 XP80s and an XP50 luckily we dont have pennies in Australia anymore. I never visited an XP30 and didn't they come out way after the other XPs. I could never understand the Eurphoria for them that Ive read over the years as I guess i figured they were a very cut down XP50 without a sequencer. Obviously I was wrong. Like to hear more as to how good they were

Thanks mate i will follow this thread with great interest. Always love your findings. The Liano has always interested me since its premature announcement due purely to its low physical weight.