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I can only speak for here in Michigan, since I have not been out of the state at all this year, but Monday, most stores, restaurants, and places to get your hair cut opened back up. The Great Clips by my house had a two to three hour wait every day this week until today to get a haircut, so I had to wait until early this afternoon (Saturday) to finally get a haircut for the first time since January. On Tuesday, the gym I go to opened back up, so I've been working out every day starting Tuesday, and I plan on going there every day this month. Some time next week I need to get a roast beef gyro sandwich at Arby's, a Big Mac and a large Coke at McDonald's, and I'm going to wander around through a large shopping mall, just because it's open again. Now, if this damned virus would just go away and die, I would be so much happier, even though there will not be a live in person Gearfest this year at Sweetwater. And when the big trade shows are allowed to open up to the public again, I can go back to making money again, instead of living off my savings. We'll see what happens.


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So far, Michigan's numbers look good. Down the page quite a ways are moving 14 day averages of increase/decrease in number of Covid_19 cases.

https://covidusa.net

Michigan is down -80.35% in number of cases over the last 2 weeks. It will take work from everybody to keep that trend going. Masks in public and avoiding crowded indoor areas are paramount.
Other states are not faring as well, including Washington, where I am living. We were down almost -10% and now we are +16.4%. I see careless people often on the few times I go anywhere.

If Covid_19 was going to go away when the weather got warm, how do we parse Texas +73.5%, Florida +156% or Arizona +124%? Oregon is +210.9%, just south of us on the I-5, that's pretty scary too.

If there are restrictions on restaurants and bars, they will have a tough time staying in business. Peak hours pay for the business, if you can't pack the place out the cost of doing business will bury you. Sadly, that doesn't bode well for gigging musicians - myself and many friends up here. Next Friday we have an outdoor gig at a classy wine bar, last gig was 2 weeks ago and it was frightening even though outdoors. We won't play there again this summer.

Be cautious, be safe, be well!!!!! Cheers, Kuru


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Part of the problem here in Texas is people simply not following the guidelines. I don’t want to get too in depth about it, but our sheltering houseguest chooses some of her destinations outside of the house on whether she’ll be forced to wear a mask.

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Originally Posted by Dannyalcatraz
Part of the problem here in Texas is people simply not following the guidelines. I don’t want to get too in depth about it, but our sheltering houseguest chooses some of her destinations outside of the house on whether she’ll be forced to wear a mask.

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I get it, I don't want to be political. The virus does not care how anybody votes or what they worship. It infects and too often, it kills. It is "invisible" but the results are not invisible.
As of 27 minutes ago, I am 65 years old. On my birthday, we will see over 120,000 Americans have lost their lives to Covid_19, that is a sobering birthday "gift" but it reminds me all the more of how much I love life and how much more life I hope to love living - and live loving.

To say that I do not understand some perspectives is putting it lightly. I wish everybody all the best, life is sweet!! Cheers, Kuru


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Some of the debate around masks reminds me of the issue with motorcycle helmets: nobody wears a motorcycle helmet because they intend to crash, you wear it so you have some chance of surviving if you DO crash. If you get home without having crashed, it doesn't mean you shouldn't have worn a helmet.

FWIW, I'd be long dead if not for a full-face motorcycle helmet. I got thrown over the handlebars of my bike, and rode the helmet along a few yards of asphalt. When I got up and took the helmet off to look at it, the entire chin section had been stripped down to bare metal; that would have been my face and neck. A mask doesn't weigh nearly as much, and it might just keep me alive, so I'm good with it.

@KuruPrionz - Happy birthday, brother!

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We opened up a few weeks back here in Arizona, and now we are leading the country in new covid cases. So far so good in this house however. I hope we can stay covid free.


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Case numbers are up here in Los Angeles, even though we dodged the worst of the bullet. So, even as some things loosen up, other restrictions have tightened. As an older person I'm not ready to subject myself to restaurants or stores or any place yet where people are not observing the mask decree. I'm still mixing projects in the studio, unaccompanied by clients, but no recording sessions with players present. Yet.


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I'm still haunting my apartment, but more out of a lack of motivation than fear for my health. Things are starting to open back up in KC. I could hit a jam this afternoon, and quite a few nights during the week, and I could stay late for most of them, because I'm only working one day a week. So, no worries about getting up in the morning. But it just doesn't seem worth it when I start thinking about getting ready to go. Sit for an hour or two, get up and do three songs, and sit back down. Did you ever sit in a bar and not drink alcohol, when everybody around you is drinking alcohol? BOOOOR-ing.


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Normal for us requires around 10 million people flying in from all over the world. I don't know when that will be safe.


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Arizona is the hot spot for new cases in the USA. I am sticking to what I think is the safest way to resume my normal life, which is to wear a mask, do social distancing, wash my hands, and keep a bottle of sanitizer in my pocket So far so good.........I don't mind wearing the mask, so that is no problem for me.


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Originally Posted by surfergirl
Normal for us requires around 10 million people flying in from all over the world. I don't know when that will be safe.

Hawaii is still requiring a 14 day quarantine for anybody arriving from other states, so tourism is dead as a doornail until, apparently, at least August.


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Happy birthday, Kuru!


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These are the numbers I look at each month provided by the CDC on-line.

For the 327,000,000 people in the US the totals are:

May 2020

14,749,756 Tested
1,686,436 Tested Positive
13,063,320 Tested Negative
451,702 Recovered
99,306 Deaths

As of June 2020

23,978,670 Tested
2,129,406 Tested Positive
21,849,264 Tested Negative
843,548 Recovered
117,090 Deaths

I'm hoping things can return to normal as soon as possible... cool


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Originally Posted by Larryz
I'm hoping things can return to normal as soon as possible... cool
I think we are in the new normal already, sad to say. The SARS Virus (Of which the Covid-19 is one of) are kinda resistant to Immunization inoculations. I think the Covid-19 will be around for years until they find a cure for it.


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Well I went to our community gym for the first time since late February or early March, when they shut all our community buildings down because of the pandemic. No one else was there today. The only exercise of my normal routing that hurt was the triceps machine. The rest went as normal, the triceps had to work much harder to do my normal weights.

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Originally Posted by desertbluesman
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I'm hoping things can return to normal as soon as possible... cool
I think we are in the new normal already, sad to say. The SARS Virus (Of which the Covid-19 is one of) are kinda resistant to Immunization inoculations. I think the Covid-19 will be around for years until they find a cure for it.

Hopefully they will develop a vaccine soon which will prevent people from having to go to the hospital and prevent deaths. I doubt they will be able to cure the disease as there will be new strains/mutations to deal with and they haven't cured the common cold and flu yet. I hope the new normal does not include having to wear masks and social distancing for the rest of our lives and we can get back to going to movies, ball games, plays, dining out, playing gigs, concerts, etc. Hope everyone is staying safe and we get through this soon. cool


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Originally Posted by Larryz
Hope everyone is staying safe and we get through this soon. cool

My best wishes for all of my friends on this forum, I sincerely hope that we can slip on through this pandemic without Covd-19 gettin any one of us or our families.


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Current news indicates that we are far far away from anything resembling how life was 8 months ago.

Be cautiious, be safe!!!!


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Far from normal, California's new case numbers were the highest on record yesterday. The current word is basically that we can't even begin to talk about a 2nd wave when the first wave is still going very strongly. It leveled off for a while, never really declining, & now is on the increase again. So, no end in sight.


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Originally Posted by Scott Fraser
Far from normal, California's new case numbers were the highest on record yesterday. The current word is basically that we can't even begin to talk about a 2nd wave when the first wave is still going very strongly. It leveled off for a while, never really declining, & now is on the increase again. So, no end in sight.


Currently it is being described more as a forest fire with plenty of fuel than a wave.

It started creeping back up here in Washington state with Oregon, Idaho and Montana all way up in the number of cases. Lots of them will be coming to the coast (here) for a visit this summer.
The Canadian Prime Minister closed the borders to non-essential traffic and I don't blame him at all. They are doing pretty well up there and don't need our "help."


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Sorry, friends, but I don't see anything returning to "normal", at all.

Some people may want to behave as if life has just picked back up where we left it, now that it's Summer; I don't see it. Sure, it's felt like a lost Spring, no parties, no weddings, no graduations, no concerts, and for some folks, no work & no paycheck. It's been a strain, doing nothing, or at least, not getting to go about what we came to think of as our daily routine, whatever that may have been, and you can only spend so much of your life in front of the television.

We've seen some improvement in the numbers here in the D.C. area, but as more people go out to newly re-opened malls, and restaurants, and even bloody casinos(!?!?!?), it's only a matter of time before there's another upturn. I view a trip to the grocery store much like a walk through a mine field, so the idea of ever going to a restaurant again? Just forget it. I won't even order carry-out food, from anywhere, period, and I wouldn't set foot inside a shopping mall if there was a prize involved.

At this point, I think it's willful ignorance, if not a form of cruelty to pretend to ourselves that life is ever going to go back to what we were used to. I think of C. S. Lewis' description of Narnia under the White Witch's spell; ". . . always Winter, but never Christmas." If a return to normal life is what we're waiting for, Christmas ain't coming, kids, not this year, or next, or anytime soon.

For fairness' sake, bear in mind that I'm writing this at 2 in the morning, after less than 3 hours of sleep, and I've already had my first pot of coffee for the day. I am beyond exhausted, mentally, physically, and emotionally, so that surely colors my perception.


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If places like Japan and Hong Kong are a guide, one of the most effective tools we have at our disposal currently are the masks. Despite all the reasons those places SHOULD have huge infection rates, they don’t. Why? They have a cultural tradition going back decades of wearing masks while sick.

If we took that simple step, the infection rates would drop like a rock over Wile E. Coyote.

Personally, I’ve dined in a restaurant 2-3 times in the past month here in D/FW, partly for reasons beyond my control. HOWEVER, in each case, the establishments in question were serious about social distancing and cleaning up. (Tomorrow, I will likely do the same- it’s haircut day, plus a visit to my allergist, and if I don’t eat while I’m out that long, my medications will do nasty things to me.)

The Rona is a mofo, no question. And the fight against it is more likely to turn into an annual struggle than a one & done vaccination solution. So, like WPS says, “normal” isn’t really on the radar. But with the vast majority finally agreeing to mask wearing at the very least, we could get very, very close.*








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Here in my part of the country the curve is expanding at its fastest rate thus far. In other words, the last 4 months of isolating & giving up work were completely wasted, & accomplished nothing, largely because a whole lot of people are too self absorbed to take this situation seriously & do what doctors tell us we absolutely have to do. Thanks, a**holes.


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Originally Posted by Scott Fraser
Here in my part of the country the curve is expanding at its fastest rate thus far. In other words, the last 4 months of isolating & giving up work were completely wasted, & accomplished nothing, largely because a whole lot of people are too self absorbed to take this situation seriously & do what doctors tell us we absolutely have to do. Thanks, a**holes.


The same is true up here. We were down to a moving average of +8% new cases and starting with the parties on Memorial Day, we shot up quickly. Currently slowly subsiding but still above +40.

You can go down a bit on this page and see how your state is doing - https://covidusa.net

Change can come quickly, Michigan was doing really well (I forget the numbers) but they are now above +90%.
Idaho did not have a serious problem and they've spiked recently to +394%.

There are many states seeing thse spikes and few seeing a steady decline.

I can't say much about masks except I wear them and everybody should. They have been politicized with tragic results...


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Originally Posted by Scott Fraser
Here in my part of the country the curve is expanding at its fastest rate thus far. In other words, the last 4 months of isolating & giving up work were completely wasted, & accomplished nothing, largely because a whole lot of people are too self absorbed to take this situation seriously & do what doctors tell us we absolutely have to do. Thanks, a**holes.
Maybe if the medical experts...some of them with a past record of being wrong more often than being right hadn't changed their mind so many times or then suddenly given a free pass to one group of protestors while at the same time saying that a different group of protestors were putting people in danger then people might take them more seriously. Maybe if someone had looked closer the projections made by someone who also was wrong many more times than right then people might take them more seriously. When politics gets involved in medical science I become suspicious of the motives.

But what do I know...I'm just a regular guy with no medical background.

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I'm scared about what might happen when we start letting tourist back. We not only have the lowest number of cases, we also have, the more important number, the lowest per population number. I know we need tourist back. I'm not sure this pretesting will protect us from a surge. We need to take a targeted approach, like Europe.
Not to be to political, but this is my first presidential election and I get to chose between getting attack by a shark or hitting head on a rock. I'd settle for a root canal as a third choice.


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Originally Posted by Dannyalcatraz
If places like Japan and Hong Kong are a guide, one of the most effective tools we have at our disposal currently are the masks. Despite all the reasons those places SHOULD have huge infection rates, they don’t. Why? They have a cultural tradition going back decades of wearing masks while sick.

If we took that simple step, the infection rates would drop like a rock over Wile E. Coyote.

Personally, I’ve dined in a restaurant 2-3 times in the past month here in D/FW, partly for reasons beyond my control. HOWEVER, in each case, the establishments in question were serious about social distancing and cleaning up. (Tomorrow, I will likely do the same- it’s haircut day, plus a visit to my allergist, and if I don’t eat while I’m out that long, my medications will do nasty things to me.)

The Rona is a mofo, no question. And the fight against it is more likely to turn into an annual struggle than a one & done vaccination solution. So, like WPS says, “normal” isn’t really on the radar. But with the vast majority finally agreeing to mask wearing at the very least, we could get very, very close.*

* though not within 6’. grin

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Originally Posted by Larryz
These are the numbers I look at each month provided by the CDC on-line.

For the 327,000,000 people in the US the totals are:

May 2020

14,749,756 Tested
1,686,436 Tested Positive
13,063,320 Tested Negative
451,702 Recovered
99,306 Deaths

As of June 2020

23,978,670 Tested
2,129,406 Tested Positive
21,849,264 Tested Negative
843,548 Recovered
117,090 Deaths

I'm hoping things can return to normal as soon as possible... cool

Update as of Today July 1, 2020

US population 331,439,964

34,439,964 Tested
2,751,995 Tested positive
31,687,969 Tested negative
1,146,785 Recovered
130,395 Deaths


Stay Safe! cool


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Yeah, I am with Winston on this one - even if they find an effective vaccine there is not going to be a return to the "normal" that we became accustomed to living.

Depending on timing, this fall brings the risk of contracting the flu and CV_19, uncharted territory.

The Chinese have found a virulent form of swine flu in their herds that has a potential for spreading to humans. Hopefully they contain it but that looms as well.

Viruses mutate, that is their nature. They infect, they do not care who you vote for or what you believe in. They are here.
Masks are proven effective yet some politicize them. Health officials are expected to have answers or solutions to new situations, this is completely unrealistic, as is following advice of people with zero medical experience - your "gut" should tell you if somebody is full of crap.


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The good news about Covid-19 on the mutation front is that (so far) it’s not mutating very quickly. Compared to viruses like influenza, it mutates at a glacial pace. This gives hope to researchers that any treatments, vaccines or cures they develop will be pretty much equally effective across all strains.


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Maybe if the medical experts...some of them with a past record of being wrong more often than being right hadn't changed their mind so many times or then suddenly given a free pass to one group of protestors while at the same time saying that a different group of protestors were putting people in danger then people might take them more seriously. Maybe if someone had looked closer the projections made by someone who also was wrong many more times than right then people might take them more seriously. When politics gets involved in medical science I become suspicious of the motives.
But what do I know...I'm just a regular guy with no medical background.

The message was unequivocal & clear, people didn't accept that they needed to man up & act like adults, & now the US leads the world in rates of infection per capita.


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Originally Posted by Scott Fraser
The message was unequivocal & clear, people didn't accept that they needed to man up & act like adults, & now the US leads the world in rates of infection per capita.
Infection per capita may only mean more tests were done. When counting fatalities per million the US comes in 7th:
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1104709/coronavirus-deaths-worldwide-per-million-inhabitants/

And had so many positive testing seniors been isolated instead of being sent back to care homes to infect entire buildings the fatality rate would have been far lower.

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No, the important number is how many positives there are per the number of tests given, not the fact that there have been more tests.


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I was very interested to read an article about the 1918 pandemic of Spanish Flu. It apparently came in 3 waves.

The first was was in the spring, and they had folks wearing masks and staying in. After a couple of month though, folks started forming anti-mask groups and saying the government was infringing upon their rights by making them wear masks. Sound familiar?

The 2nd wave came in the fall, and it was much worse than the first. Everybody thought they were done with it, but that was wishful thinking. About 685,000 people caught it, and about 1/5 of them died. I guess those masks might have been a good idea after all.

The 3rd wave came in the Winter and Spring of 1919, and it was worse than the first, but not as bad as the 2nd.

I'm hearing what seem to be suicidal yo-yos out there saying it's not right to make people wear masks and stay 6 ft from each other. I hear folks from all sides of the political fence blaming the other sides, and calling it a conspiracy. Of course, there are folks screaming conspiracy if they hear that a chicken crossed the road, so that's nothing new.

People, just remember, viruses don't care who's in the White House or any other office, they don't belong to any party or ideology, and they don't care about anything but taking over the host they have infested. IF you don't wanna wear a mask, don't, but stay the freak away from me!


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As I have complained about on other websites, one of the biggest problems with this corona virus is that you have a lot of highly educated and very knowledgeable people with many years of experience saying one thing, but within a few days or so you have other highly educated very knowledgeable people with many years of experience saying the opposite thing. And then look at the great Dr. Fauci, who some people viewed as if he were a messenger from God. He's flipflopped on his messages a few times. So who do you believe? If I were to buy a Ph.D from some online diploma mill, do I suddenly become an expert? This is what is so aggravating. You should wear a mask, you don't need to wear a mask. You should wear gloves, you don't need to wear gloves. Wash or sanitize your hands every time you touch anything, just wash your hands regularly. Is there anybody out there who actually knows what the bleep they're talking about?


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You should wear a mask, you don't need to wear a mask. You should wear gloves, you don't need to wear gloves. Wash or sanitize your hands every time you touch anything, just wash your hands regularly. Is there anybody out there who actually knows what the bleep they're talking about?

I use the simple reasoning process to know what is good for me. I know that if I wear a mask in public places, it is likely to filter out a good amount of contaminants as I breathe. I know that if I wash and sanitize my hands, those acts are likely to remove a good amount of contaminants from my hands. I don't wear gloves but I have a hand sanitizer in my pocket to take care of any contaminants I may collect in the stores.

I don't need any stinkin advice from the talking heads on TV, although if it is science based and I trust that scientifically trained messenger over time, I will consider what they say. It is really simple.


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As I have complained about on other websites, one of the biggest problems with this corona virus is that you have a lot of highly educated and very knowledgeable people with many years of experience saying one thing, but within a few days or so you have other highly educated very knowledgeable people with many years of experience saying the opposite thing. And then look at the great Dr. Fauci, who some people viewed as if he were a messenger from God. He's flipflopped on his messages a few times. So who do you believe? If I were to buy a Ph.D from some online diploma mill, do I suddenly become an expert? This is what is so aggravating. You should wear a mask, you don't need to wear a mask. You should wear gloves, you don't need to wear gloves. Wash or sanitize your hands every time you touch anything, just wash your hands regularly. Is there anybody out there who actually knows what the bleep they're talking about?

Masks are proven to be effective, wearing one is safer for you and safer for those around you. There is no question of it.
Simple analogy: You are standing around with no pants on. A guy with no pants on comes up and pees on your leg. If you wear pants, most of the pee will be caught in the fabric. If they wear pants, the pee will dribble down their own pantleg. That is how masks work, it's super simple. We can protect ourselves and protect all of those around us when we find ourselves in those situations - grocery shopping for one.

It is true that some have made masks a political issue, those are the people to ignore as their agenda speaks for itself. Be careful how you choose your news!!!! Somebody's statement gets edited and it now has a different meaning. People of all sorts with all sorts of motivations are backpedalling all the time. There are many who prefer their "beliefs" to "facts" and spew ignorant nonsense regardless. So either completely ignore all the news all the time or indulge in a larger, more random variety of news.

Certainly, stay the hell off of Fakebook, it is an open sewer of BS!!!! Cheers, Kuru


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No, the important number is how many positives there are per the number of tests given, not the fact that there have been more tests.
Infections per capita is not the same as positives per test. Also, fatalities per test and fatalities per capita are two different numbers. There are 4 different ways of measuring the virus and each one of them measures something different.

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The reason he has changed his recommendations over time is that he’s working with evidence and research that is evolving. That’s the hallmark of good science: you have to be able to change your view based on new, research-based, scientifically tested evidence.


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I live in michigan. We are able to work from our up north cabin/house. The town only has population of 230 officially. The county has recorded 22 cases total so far so we feel pretty safe. This weekend lots of downstate folks are comng north. The expressway was heavy traffic the past couple days coming north. I hope we do not see a big surge here. BTW we are in a zone that allows resturaunts to serve 50% indoors and hair and nail places are open. Keep safe and wear the mask when you are anywhere that you question the possibility of exposure. Jim

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No, the important number is how many positives there are per the number of tests given, not the fact that there have been more tests.
Infections per capita is not the same as positives per test. Also, fatalities per test and fatalities per capita are two different numbers. There are 4 different ways of measuring the virus and each one of them measures something different.

Thing is, as the number of tests increases, the gap between sample size & general population narrows, so those numbers eventually statistically coincide. A number worth reflecting upon is that the US has 4% of the world's population, & we have 25% of the world's Covid cases. That indicates we have a problem, & it's a problem not befitting an allegedly first world nation.


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Today, which is Sunday, July 5th, 2020, the state of Michigan (where I proudly live) registered ZERO deaths from the corona virus. This is the first day since March 17th that we did not have anyone in the state die from the virus. Yes, there are still new cases being reported every day, but if people aren't dying from it, who cares? I sure hope this is a sign that things are getting better. The gym I work out at has been open almost three weeks now, and I have not heard of one person getting sick. And believe me, if somebody got the corona virus from the gym, word of that would spread faster than the virus ever could. I am being cautiously optimistic. For the record, the corona virus has killed 4,539 people in the metro Detroit area alone as of today, so I am not laughing off this virus like it's a bad cold. But it sure is nice to see some good news for a change.


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Yes, there are still new cases being reported every day, but if people aren't dying from it, who cares?

Because even if you don’t die from it, it can still mess you up for the rest of your life. That’s not an exaggeration.

There are growing numbers of people who have had Covid-19 symptoms for 00+ days. They’re stuck in limbo until they’re recovered.

There’s people who have had organs like livers, lungs and kidneys get severely damaged or even fail due to Covid-19.*

The clots the virus causes can cause strokes, heart attacks, priapism and other afflictions.

As a virologist pointed out, we know it attacks the sense of taste and smell. We don’t know how or why, and whether it’s damaging other parts of the brain while it’s doing so. That same virologist also pointed out that we don’t know if Covid-19 has any long-term effects on human development, which we won’t know for sure until the kids who have it now are a decade older.

While it may not kill a big percentage of its victims, it’s virulence means it will infect a lot of people, giving it more chances to kill. And we don’t yet have a lot of weapons to combat it.


TL;DR: Covid-19 may not be a killer disease in the conventional sense, but it’s doing a damn good job at mauling humanity.





* I was going to mention how Nick Cordero lost his leg to Covid-19 complications...but as I was writing this response, my news feed sent an alert that he has died after having Covid-19 for 90 days.

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These are the numbers I look at each month provided by the CDC on-line.

For the 327,000,000 people in the US the totals are:

May 2020

14,749,756 Tested
1,686,436 Tested Positive
13,063,320 Tested Negative
451,702 Recovered
99,306 Deaths

As of June 2020

23,978,670 Tested
2,129,406 Tested Positive
21,849,264 Tested Negative
843,548 Recovered
117,090 Deaths

I'm hoping things can return to normal as soon as possible... cool

Update as of Today July 1, 2020

US population 331,439,964

34,439,964 Tested
2,751,995 Tested positive
31,687,969 Tested negative
1,146,785 Recovered
130,395 Deaths


Stay Safe! cool

Update:

CDC stats as of Aug 1, 2020

US Population 331,182,250

61,041,553 Tested
4,874,934 Tested positive
56,166,619 Tested negative
2,450,399 Recovered
159,403 Deaths

Stay Safe! cool


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New rules for Oahu, lots like the original rules. No visitors in your house including family members who don't live there. You're stuck with the people you live with till Sept 16.


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New rules for Oahu, lots like the original rules. No visitors in your house including family members who don't live there. You're stuck with the people you live with till Sept 16.

Live music in public places is not allowed in WA.
We had one August gig, probably the only one. It's an annual event, we've played there 3 times now.

Much smaller this year, on private property and the owner joked that it was a "protest".

They serve up great food but I brought my own sandwich just to be on the safe side. Band was well spread out of a huge porch and our audience was never closer than 15-20 feet away. They had fun, we had fun.
Summer will go away and that will be that for now.
I have recording projects to stay busy and keep the music alive. This too shall pass.


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Originally Posted by Larryz
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Originally Posted by Larryz
These are the numbers I look at each month provided by the CDC on-line.

For the 327,000,000 people in the US the totals are:

May 2020

14,749,756 Tested
1,686,436 Tested Positive
13,063,320 Tested Negative
451,702 Recovered
99,306 Deaths

As of June 2020

23,978,670 Tested
2,129,406 Tested Positive
21,849,264 Tested Negative
843,548 Recovered
117,090 Deaths

I'm hoping things can return to normal as soon as possible... cool

Update as of Today July 1, 2020

US population 331,439,964

34,439,964 Tested
2,751,995 Tested positive
31,687,969 Tested negative
1,146,785 Recovered
130,395 Deaths


Stay Safe! cool

Update:

CDC stats as of Aug 1, 2020

US Population 331,182,250

61,041,553 Tested
4,874,934 Tested positive
56,166,619 Tested negative
2,450,399 Recovered
159,403 Deaths

Stay Safe! cool


Update as of September 1, 2020

US Population 331,330,464

83,282,374 Tested
6,254,397 Tested Positive
77,027, 977 Tested Negative
3,482,337 Recovered
188,827 Deaths

Stay Safe! cool


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I knew it was bad, but when I read this I was stunned: Turtle Bay Resorts, the biggest employer on the North Shore, has 20 employees, before the pandemic they had 740.


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I knew it was bad, but when I read this I was stunned: Turtle Bay Resorts, the biggest employer on the North Shore, has 20 employees, before the pandemic they had 740.


Up here, as many restaurants/brew pubs/bars as could, opened up some form of outdoor seating for the summer and have managed to limp along, although a number of them have closed permanently.
Winter will change that and not to the good side. We get cold weather, torrential downpours and often vigorous windy spells. Very few people will consider outdoor dining/drinking to be an attractive option.

By next May, the "gig economy" landscape in Whatcom County will have changed dramatically. It could take years to recover, if it ever does.
The band won't be taking any indoor gigs this winter, they would all be private parties flying under the radar in any case since live music in public is officially not allowed for now.

I am looking at other income streams, gigging isn't going to be steady money, maybe ever again.


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Most restaurants around here have limited seating capacity and are hurting bad. Every few days/week another local institution that's been around for decades closes for good. Live music is almost non-existent due to limited seating capacity. One of my friend's bands hosts an open mic once a week but they no longer get paid...not that they made much before.

We have no gigs in the near future, although one of my bands might get a gig but only because the owner is a good friend of a band member...it's a restaurant/bar that's one of the few that does enough takeout business to keep the doors open. But we'll be playing to 50% capacity or less and would probably have to take a cut in pay.

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I knew it was bad, but when I read this I was stunned: Turtle Bay Resorts, the biggest employer on the North Shore, has 20 employees, before the pandemic they had 740.


Up here, as many restaurants/brew pubs/bars as could, opened up some form of outdoor seating for the summer and have managed to limp along, although a number of them have closed permanently.
Winter will change that and not to the good side. We get cold weather, torrential downpours and often vigorous windy spells. Very few people will consider outdoor dining/drinking to be an attractive option.

By next May, the "gig economy" landscape in Whatcom County will have changed dramatically. It could take years to recover, if it ever does.
The band won't be taking any indoor gigs this winter, they would all be private parties flying under the radar in any case since live music in public is officially not allowed for now.

I am looking at other income streams, gigging isn't going to be steady money, maybe ever again.

You might have to do online shows. Kind of like pay per view or some such.


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You might have to do online shows. Kind of like pay per view or some such.

Working on that. I see so many "guys with guitars that know songs" and I really don't want to go there.
I want to do something with all original material and just "different". That takes time to assemble and produce the creativity to a reasonable quality product.

We have a local sound crew that was serving western Washington at a high level every summer. This summer their gigs got cancelled. They've created a local live music channel and it's getting good.
A large warehouse space with full sound, lights, video and operators for all of the above. All on spec at this point and not making much money.

It's a tough buck, no two ways around it.


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I played a small outdoor private party at an RV park up at Lake Tahoe a few days ago with friends and we had a lot of fun. That will be my last commitment until things change. We do have a local group that plays live remotes for parties (zoom or pod or ?), but they are still getting paid from their practice music studio. Our county is opening back up for indoor dining and a few gigs are just starting to make a come back... cool


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Pacific Business News headline: Welcome to March 195th, 2020.


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I knew it was bad, but when I read this I was stunned: Turtle Bay Resorts, the biggest employer on the North Shore, has 20 employees, before the pandemic they had 740.

Damn!

Most of the businesses I’ve seen go under that were definitely C19 related were underperforming chain locations. Most of the businesses I frequent are “Mom & Pop” shops and are still viable. Not unscathed, mind you, but still in operation.

The closest call so far is a local family owned & operated Burmese restaurant (Inlay, in Lewisville, TX) my Mom & I discovered in January, about 2-3 weeks after they had opened. Their reviews were running @4.8 stars out of 5. All of the reviews were from total noobs like me or from Burmese expats. Went in and had a fantastic meal. The best initial exposure to a new cuisine we’d had in a decade. Went back several times before the lockdown.

When I was able to return, I went in for a late takeout order...and I was their first customer of the day. At 3PM.

The next time I was able to dine in, they told me they had been a knife’s edge from closing. But they kept getting a slightly increasing flow of customers, including a high percentage of new customers. So they’re toughing it out, so far.

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We are in semi lock down, mask are required, stringent social distancing in all businesses. They just opened out fitness center here in our gated community, only 5 people allowed in at a time, and if you want to use the fitness center you have to ask for an appointment, and you can only stay 45 minutes, then staff comes in and sanitizes the gym and the next bunch can come in.

Our town center pool is still closed for repairs, but 2 of the other smaller pools are open, only 10 folks allowed in the pools at a time. And they are still locked down in our community center main office. Appointments only.

Only 4 cases of Covid in our community, none of them transmitted to others in the community, 2 residents and two of the maintenance staff. Other than that no Covid here in our community of 25 hundred homes. Gated, walled in with 24 hour security, has kept us seniors relatively Covid free.


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My main band played at a brewery the other week. There were a couple hundred people there. The band was in the barn where the tap room is. As it is on a large farm, there was plenty of space for people; no crowding. Even when in line for the beer or food, people kept decent spacing and were masked. We play there again in November. Not sure how it will be due to weather - all indoors, or still projecting "out" to the rest of the world.

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My other band I splaying a house party next month. Mild concerns all around, but were told we'll be playing in the garage, which will be open if weather permits. That gave us a bit of comfort in accepting the gig.


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Originally Posted by Larryz
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Originally Posted by Larryz
These are the numbers I look at each month provided by the CDC on-line.

For the 327,000,000 people in the US the totals are:

May 2020

14,749,756 Tested
1,686,436 Tested Positive
13,063,320 Tested Negative
451,702 Recovered
99,306 Deaths

As of June 2020

23,978,670 Tested
2,129,406 Tested Positive
21,849,264 Tested Negative
843,548 Recovered
117,090 Deaths

I'm hoping things can return to normal as soon as possible... cool

Update as of Today July 1, 2020

US population 331,439,964

34,439,964 Tested
2,751,995 Tested positive
31,687,969 Tested negative
1,146,785 Recovered
130,395 Deaths


Stay Safe! cool

Update:

CDC stats as of Aug 1, 2020

US Population 331,182,250

61,041,553 Tested
4,874,934 Tested positive
56,166,619 Tested negative
2,450,399 Recovered
159,403 Deaths

Stay Safe! cool


Update as of September 1, 2020

US Population 331,330,464

83,282,374 Tested
6,254,397 Tested Positive
77,027, 977 Tested Negative
3,482,337 Recovered
188,827 Deaths

Stay Safe! cool



Update:

As of October 1, 2020

US Population 331,489,264

107,832,876 Tested
7,468,356 Tested Positive
100,364,520 Tested Negative
4,714,182 Recovered
212,147 Deaths

Stay Safe! cool


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Another update: Starting later on this month, the gun and knife shows here in Michigan will start up again like normal. So instead of having to drive to Indiana and Ohio to sell all the stuff that I've been stockpiling all yearlong, I get to stay in my home state to do business. I sure hope people still want to buy masks, because I'm sitting on over 15,000 of them that I would really love to unload. It's going to be nice to live a normal life again.


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Good Luck Sharkman! Masks should still be flying off the shelves... thu


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A lot of the stores around here are sold out, and I get the impression that they are not in a hurry to order more masks. I hope the people in Shipshewana, Indiana are going to stock up this weekend, since that's where I'll be this afternoon through late Sunday afternoon. It's sure going to be nice to start taking in money again.


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You might contact the show promoters and let them know you could supply them with masks at a discount if they are required at the door? You could also give one away with every purchase of your other goods. Maybe you could run an ad in your local area and do a mail order thing. They would be easy to mail out (like T shirts), no breakage or spoilage issues...if you get enough action you could expand your ad statewide, then nationwide. Anyway good luck and glad to hear you'll be back at it soon making some bucks! cool


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When I arrived at the show today to get set up, I noticed that nobody was wearing a mask, and there was no sign on the door or anything from the promoter saying that masks had to be worn. After I was done setting up, I went next door to East of Chicago Pizza for dinner. I put my mask on and entered the restaurant, and then noticed that the waitress and I were the only two people in the whole place wearing masks. No masks covering the faces of the people making the pizza, no masks on any of the people sitting inside eating dinner ( I got the last empty table in the place). Life in Amishville (aka Shipshewana) certainly appears to be back to normal.


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Be careful, Sharkman. Apparently new covid cases are at an all time high in parts of the upper MidWest. Protect yourself out there.


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Don't worry, Scott. I wear a mask whenever I'm around people I don't know, which is everywhere here in Indiana. Besides, it's hard to sell masks if I'm not wearing one.


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[quote=Larryz]These are the numbers I look at each month provided by the CDC on-line.



Update as of Today July 1, 2020

US population 331,439,964

34,439,964 Tested
2,751,995 Tested positive
31,687,969 Tested negative
1,146,785 Recovered
130,395 Deaths


Stay Safe! cool

Update:

CDC stats as of Aug 1, 2020

US Population 331,182,250

61,041,553 Tested
4,874,934 Tested positive
56,166,619 Tested negative
2,450,399 Recovered
159,403 Deaths

Stay Safe! cool


Update as of September 1, 2020

US Population 331,330,464

83,282,374 Tested
6,254,397 Tested Positive
77,027, 977 Tested Negative
3,482,337 Recovered
188,827 Deaths

Stay Safe! cool



Update:

As of October 1, 2020

US Population 331,489,264

107,832,876 Tested
7,468,356 Tested Positive
100,364,520 Tested Negative
4,714,182 Recovered
212,147 Deaths

Stay Safe! cool

As of November 1, 2020

US Population 331,653,357

144,260,723 Tested
9,414,641 Tested Positive
134,846,082 Tested Negative
6,066,893 Recovered
236,154 Deaths

Stay Safe! cool


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We're seeing a slow uptick in the D.C. area, not as bad as parts of the Mid-West, but still, a worrying trend. With cold weather, and Flu season coming in, my plan is to be home as much as possible, when I'm not working outdoors. If I run out of work, or if cold weather shuts me down, I may start selling off my Music gear, rather than take a job dealing with the public.

My wife hasn't had any catering work since February, and we turned down the one call we got a while back, because there was no way where we felt safe taking on the job. Other than family gatherings, dining out has proven to be a major factor in spreading the virus. I think one in four new cases locally report having gone out to dinner not long before testing positive. That may not sound conclusive, but if one in four people who went to a local beach got bitten by sharks, I sure wouldn't go in the water.


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This thread has not aged well...

https://covidusa.net


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Originally Posted by Larryz
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[quote=Larryz]These are the numbers I look at each month provided by the CDC on-line.



Update:

CDC stats as of Aug 1, 2020

US Population 331,182,250

61,041,553 Tested
4,874,934 Tested positive
56,166,619 Tested negative
2,450,399 Recovered
159,403 Deaths

Stay Safe! cool


Update as of September 1, 2020

US Population 331,330,464

83,282,374 Tested
6,254,397 Tested Positive
77,027, 977 Tested Negative
3,482,337 Recovered
188,827 Deaths

Stay Safe! cool



Update:

As of October 1, 2020

US Population 331,489,264

107,832,876 Tested
7,468,356 Tested Positive
100,364,520 Tested Negative
4,714,182 Recovered
212,147 Deaths

Stay Safe! cool

As of November 1, 2020

US Population 331,653,357

144,260,723 Tested
9,414,641 Tested Positive
134,846,082 Tested Negative
6,066,893 Recovered
236,154 Deaths

Stay Safe! cool


Updated CDC stats as of December 1, 2020

US Population 331,817,450

196,205,130 Tested
14,108,490 Tested Positive
182,096,640 Tested Negative
8,333,018 Recovered
276,976 Deaths

Stay Safe! cool


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Thanks Larryz, you do the same.

I'm just guesstimating at this point but I'm thinking we won't be to the point of having our second vaccination any earlier than next September or October.
That won't end this but it will tamp it down hugely.

In the meantime, this winter has the potential to be very disheartening indeed.

Staying Safe is the name of the game!!!


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Thanks Kuru, My son is a fireman 1st responder and half his crew tested positive. He had to take the test but could not get the results until after Thanksgiving. So he and his family cancelled coming to our house to avoid contact with us and cancelled going to his in-laws as well. I know he made the right decision. We were all relieved when his test came back negative and we hope everyone can all stay safe too. I'm looking forward to the vaccines being released and pray they will make a huge difference and we can slowly return to normal... thu


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The stat says that nearly 200 million have been tested, or nearly 2/3rds the population. I wonder if they've done the correlation to track how many of the total number of tests are for unique individuals vs repeat tests on the same people. I've been tested 4 times now, & if multiple tests are considered as the number of people tested the numbers will be way off. I suspect what they're saying is that 200 million tests have been administered.
Meanwhile, thanks to people not wearing masks or distancing, every time I think it might be safe to relax & re-enter the world at large, we have another big surge of cases. In LA County it is now worse than at any previous time since March. So, still hunkered down, still basically unemployed.


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Good thoughts Scott!

I know friends who have been tested many times. My Lummi family have their own tribal health care system and can walk in and be tested free. Since they don't want to spread the virus, they are careful AND they get tested often.
If it were that easy I would probably do the same. I am always careful, it is not a good time to let our guard down.

There are also an unknown number of people who have had Covid more than once. Some have had mild cases and then the second time more severe.

There are many untested carriers. Certainly there is a number for the deceased who had severe and/or life threatening conditions when they got the virus but we will never know what that number actually is, nor should it matter

None of this invalidates the fact that the virus is highly contagious, easily spread, sometimes fatal and often leaves the "recovered' with long-term afflictions. I m cautious and will continue to be. I don't know when it will be safe to be careless again but I will not be an "early adapter".

Somehow, I was offered a job in October and with the latest mandates up here, they set me up to work remotely, from home. I drop in at the office about 3 times a week, take my temperature, sign in, check in, do a thing or two and go home to work. I am truly grateful for that, things were getting pretty thin on the ground around here.


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I don't know what normal is anymore. Our unemployment rate for Oct was 14.3, the national rate 6.9. I have zero idea what I'm going to do. The good thing is our expense are low and Michaels farher owns a plumbing shop, so he has a job. Not what he wanted to, but I guess it was his destiny.


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I'm fortunate to have a little income from pension, Social Security, & life insurance payments, and my house is paid off. Otherwise I'd be out on the street with the thousands of others in LA who are living under freeway overpasses now. The tent encampments are all over the city now & much like in third world nations, there is not really an adequately functioning safety net for those who, through no fault of their own, have been removed from the economy by Covid 19.


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Things have been rather normal for us here in the lovely Sonoran Desert. We do wear masks when we go food shopping. Other than the masks, there are closures in our community because there have been a few cases and several deaths inside our community from Covid. So as a matter of caution our board members closed all the club rooms and the Fitness Center (Gym) which is the only facility I do use. (My gym buddy called me up and told me that the Fitness Room was now open. It was locked when I went by there this morning).


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There's nothing like "normal" here around D.C.. Rates are rising in D.C., Maryland and Virginia, and I expect we'll see a sharp spike very soon, because of all the folks who had to go home for Thanksgiving.

I don't have the link, offhand, but there was a perfectly horrifying graph the other day, showing cell phone data from a number of American college and universities. Basically, there was graph showing large concentration of active cell phones around State College, Pennsylvania, right before Thanksgiving, and presumably, most of them were students. The next graph showed how those same cell phones were distributed throughout the continental U.S., over the Thanksgiving break. The illustration was repeated, using several other schools as examples. If you want to see how a pandemic spreads, this is a digital data map of its progress.

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Well, just when I had started thinking I could have a very few small groups coming back into my studio . . . For the second time in two days a Covid related cancellation. Yesterday a composer emailed to call off a string trio recording because she has come down with the virus herself. Today a guitar & drum duo emailed to say that with the newest stay at home orders & infections at an all time high in Los Angeles, we better push next week's session into January. Yup, it's real. I'm looking at making about 1/3rd my normal income this year.


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Stupid self-centered assholes have been doing stupid selfish irresponsible things in droves, causing greater spikes and spreading.

Today I bury my Mother, who suffered and died from Covid-19.

You who think your rights are being impinged upon- and this is not about rights, it's about responsibilities- you who claim to suffer, demanding haircuts and mall-shopping and crowded bars and parties and rallies-

F U C K YOU.


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Originally Posted by Caevan O'Shite
Stupid self-centered assholes have been doing stupid selfish irresponsible things in droves, causing greater spikes and spreading.

Today I bury my Mother, who suffered and died from Covid-19.

You who think your rights are being impinged upon- and this is not about rights, it's about responsibilities- you who claim to suffer, demanding haircuts and mall-shopping and crowded bars and parties and rallies-

F U C K YOU.


Caevan, I am sorry for your loss and for the losses others have suffered due to the selfish and irrational behavior of imbeciles. I often wonder - do they think speed limit signs are for other people?
Do they refuse to learn how to drive, get a driver's license and insurance for their car because it impinges on their precious right to endanger others?
Your final summation is apt. Take care, be safe, Kuru


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So sorry Caevan. Much sympathy & a big hug. Yes, all true, about rights vs responsibilities, self regard, etc. There's a Native American adage that goes something like: "The White man talks about his rights in the world, the Native man talks about his responsibilities to the world."


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Caevan, Our sincere condolences to you and to all your friends and family for the loss of your mom...


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Indeed, deepest condolences Caevan on the passing of your mother. I'm very sorry to hear the news. Prayers going out to you and your family.

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Today I bury my Mother, who suffered and died from Covid-19.
RIP Caev's Mom. We are sad to hear that she passed.


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Caevan, my mom died from Covid on April 16th, so I know what you're going through.


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Sad to hear about your mom as well Sharkman. RIP.


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Welcome aboard headlow! thu

Thanks Larryz. I'm actually a long time forum member with a very low post count! More of a browser. Playing a little more these last few months though, so my forum visits have picked up somewhat.

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Sorry for the confusion Headlow, I had just not recognized your name at first glance and had to edit/delete my welcome post. Anyway, very glad to have you on board from Ireland and looking forward to your future visits! 2thu


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Thanks Larry and DBM. This year has been pretty rough for me, with several personal huge losses in my life. But somehow I managed to survive. As I like to say, I'm not manic depressive, but my life sure is.


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I apologize for my bit of an outburst above. I'm sure that no one here deserves my accusation and anger.

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Caevan, my mom died from Covid on April 16th, so I know what you're going through.
I am so sorry to learn that, that she and you and yours went through that.

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Thanks Larryz. I'm actually a long time forum member with a very low post count! More of a browser. Playing a little more these last few months though, so my forum visits have picked up somewhat.
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I'm sure you've no need to apologise to fellow forumites Caevan. Everyone will have understood exactly where you were coming from.

Yea I still see Teahead from time to time. Obviously not as much any more. We've both gotten older and circumstance have changed and so on. But when we do get together guitars are still pretty much the topic of conversation.

I will of course pass on your best wishes.

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