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Roland announces new ZEN-core synthesis engine and system #3023814 01/15/20 09:02 PM
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https://www.roland.com/us/company/press_releases/2020/ROLAND-UNVEILS-ZEN-CORE-SYNTHESIS-SYSTEM/

I didn't see this covered anywhere yet, so it may be hot-off-the-press in anticipation of NAMM starting tomorrow.


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Re: Roland announces new ZEN-core synthesis engine and system [Re: Mark Schmieder] #3023839 01/15/20 09:51 PM
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Hadn't they already used ZEN-Core in another synth? confused

I know the article is from today, but still...


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Re: Roland announces new ZEN-core synthesis engine and system [Re: Mark Schmieder] #3023841 01/15/20 09:55 PM
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Couldn't they incorporate this into the System-8 as well?


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Re: Roland announces new ZEN-core synthesis engine and system [Re: Mark Schmieder] #3023842 01/15/20 10:03 PM
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Oh, maybe so, as I seem to recall earlier talk of a new system infrastructure that folds in all of their technology.

Roland may be borrowing a page from Gibson in representing an old news item as fresh-off-the-press due to a trade show or what not.


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Re: Roland announces new ZEN-core synthesis engine and system [Re: Mark Schmieder] #3023843 01/15/20 10:04 PM
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I haven't really looked at Jupiter-X; is it based on System-8? If so, then probably ZEN-core can include everything they're currently doing.


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Re: Roland announces new ZEN-core synthesis engine and system [Re: Mark Schmieder] #3023844 01/15/20 10:06 PM
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The sound transferability between Fantom, Jupiter, RD and grooveboxes is news to me, and great news as well.


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Re: Roland announces new ZEN-core synthesis engine and system [Re: Mark Schmieder] #3023847 01/15/20 10:10 PM
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Yes, agreed, the link between boards is cool.


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Of course the curmudgeon in me notices that the compatibility doesn't take just one more step into the past & include us FA-0* owners.

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Zen-Core is not in itself new news. Sharing sounds between different models might be what's new in this announcement. Fantom and Jupiter X are very similar animals, but if sounds from those critters can be played in the RD88, that makes the RD seem more interesting.

Also of note is the reference to Fantom firmware 1.50 due in late January. Current system is 1.11. It might be placing too much emphasis on labels, but Fantom owners can hope that 1.50 is more than just an incremental improvement and might include new sound engines.

edit: looks like you can download Beta 1.50 right now:
https://www.roland.com/global/suppo...ls/e8006ef7-1509-4b31-ac36-da05c4180822/

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Re: Roland announces new ZEN-core synthesis engine and system [Re: Adan] #3023869 01/16/20 12:05 AM
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Originally Posted by BenWaB3
Of course the curmudgeon in me notices that the compatibility doesn't take just one more step into the past & include us FA-0* owners.

I think because the FA does not already have the Zen-Core engine in it. The other boards do, but they are adding patch compatibility between models that are based on the same engines. At least that's what it looks like to me.

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if sounds from those critters can be played in the RD88, that makes the RD seem more interesting.

The RD-88 already struck me as the most appealing stage piano they have made in a good 10 years or more. But now, yes, even better, it will have some level of patch compatibility with those other models.

From the press release:

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owners of FANTOM 6/7/8 Synthesizers (Version 1.50*), JUPITER-X Series Synthesizers (Version 1.10) and RD-88 Stage Pianos will be able to start using the same compatible sounds across all models, adding a new collaborative capability to their instruments. An update for the MC-101 and MC-707 GROOVEBOXES will also be available in Q2 2020, with an update planned for AX-EDGE later this year.

That's interesting about the AX-Edge. I had seen speculation that the AX-Edge was based on Zen-Core (or an early version of it), just before they had decided to call it by that name, because the AX-Edge sound set is included in the new Fantom and Jupiter X, making up quite a bit of their patch library. And I have to say, the AX-Edge has some really nice sounds in it, when you get into its deeper tone set, beyond the "keytar focussed" synth lead presets.

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ZEN-Core base engine tones created on one instrument can be shared with other users or transferred into completely different compatible Roland hardware. Performers can take sounds made on a FANTOM and play them in the spotlight on an AX-Edge Keytar, or perform a JUPITER-X synth patch on an RD-88, dramatically simplifying setup and expanding tonal options. Sounds are easily shared with a bandmate or co-creator, even when using different compatible Roland hardware. With ZEN-Core, users have access to the sounds they want, in the format they want, wherever they produce or perform.

The Roland ZEN-Core multi-timbral engine combines the latest Virtual Analog and PCM (up to 256 voices) synthesis techniques with powerful DSP effects. Advanced synthesis features include new VA oscillators, precisely modeled filters, ultra-fast and smooth LFO and envelope modulators, and high-resolution control of primary editing and performance parameters. Sounds created for the base engine will be compatible across all ZEN-Core instruments, opening-up a world of opportunities for creators and sound designers alike.

ZEN-Core supports instrument-specific ZEN-Core Expansions including Analog Behavior Modeling for the JUPITER-X series and V-Piano for the new FANTOM Series. Further ZEN-Core expansions will soon arrive for other instruments in the Roland ZEN-Core family.

That last paragraph could use some clarification. I don't expect to be able to load ABM or V-Piano patches into Zen-Core models that don't already include those technologies, but this paragraph is vague.

ETA: More info at

https://www.roland.com/global/promo...XS77C0q3cyLjtFH3qMmnhZj6LlX268fercvFZjHc

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Re: Roland announces new ZEN-core synthesis engine and system [Re: Mark Schmieder] #3023876 01/16/20 12:47 AM
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ZenCore is basically the same as the Jupiter SN Synth - PCM plus analog modeling.

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So what types of sounds might one hope to drop into the RD-88?
Is it dependent upon what samples / waveforms exist in the unit to begin with?


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