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Viscount Legend '70s #3018384 12/04/19 01:22 PM
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Viscount was already teasing a new instrument on Facebook, but now posted a more detailed picture. It's called the Legend '70s. Hope for a Rhodes clone!

(P.S. can't link to the picture, Facebook et Al)


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I don't have Facebook, but would be happy if it were a 70's era tonewheel from the final days of the original Hammond organ co. They currently give me the choices of a '56 and '59 B3, '62 and '66 C3, '36 BC, and some 60's era A100s.


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Based on the teaser pic, looks to be EP-centered, with a flat top. I wasn't even aware that Viscount made piano emulations, but they do.


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Wow, I didn't know they're still in business! They've had some innovative products over the years.


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Re: Viscount Legend '70s [Re: Mark Schmieder] #3018475 12/04/19 09:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Mark Schmieder
Wow, I didn't know they're still in business! They've had some innovative products over the years.


Yes, they are, primarily in classic organs and Hammond clones.

I agree that the pic looked like an EP focussed board. Would be cool to see and hear the final product. Could be a Crunar Seven or Korg SV-1 competitor.


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Viscount in Italy has a relationship with the developers of acoustic modeling software that is the basis of the Physis Piano.

Pianoteq, Lounge Lizard, GSI and others have shown you can successfully model the electro mechanical instruments as well. Maybe this is growth from the Physis people dabbling in EPs?



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It looks like they are putting this head-to-head against the Crumar Seven.

I'm a Viscount owner of the Legend Live and am personally glad I picked it over the Crumar Mojo dual manual. It was the right choice for me and the subsequent releases have improved the instrument or given me more choices of Hammond tonewheel models and eras. I wish I played it more and gigged with it more, actually.

Interesting to see what they come out with. The aesthetics of a Rhodes and a TP/100 keybed don't necessitate that this is something I am going to buy but it's nice to follow this as a boutique category.

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Taken from FB site Looks interesting , seems more complex and more features than its competitors , being the crumar seven and korg sv1 ( of which I have both ) Im guessing a NAMM release , Im sure we'll find out more soon.
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Please don't use a TP-100. Please don't use a TP-100.

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Originally Posted by mate stubb
Please don't use a TP-100. Please don't use a TP-100.

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If they need weight down, they're going with a TP-100 or a Medelli. <sigh>

I'd rather play the CP88.


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I sold my Crumar Seven for 2 reasons. One was to make room, physically, for the Vintage Vibe. The other was that after much going back and forth I decided I actually preferred playing EPs on the excellent unweighted Mojo 61 keyboard as opposed to the Seven's TP100 keys. A rare case of a really good unweighted action being better (subjectively) than a weighted action, for a specific purpose.

The Seven's sampled APs are much better than the Mojo's APs, but for my gigging purposes that isn't very relevant.


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Originally Posted by mate stubb
Please don't use a TP-100. Please don't use a TP-100.

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Please be acquired by Yamaha or Casio so you can use their lightweight actions.

Also, please have a flat top that can take a second keyboard.

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Originally Posted by ElmerJFudd
Originally Posted by mate stubb
Please don't use a TP-100. Please don't use a TP-100.

wall redwall hitt deadhorse


If they need weight down, they're going with a TP-100 or a Medelli. <sigh>


Viscount has custom "tracker touch" actions made for some of their classic organ consoles. One can always dream!


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Re: Viscount Legend '70s [Re: Mark_OA] #3019343 12/13/19 01:59 AM
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Here’s the contrary view of the TP-100. The combination of the Crumar physical modeling and the TP-100 (which I thought I’d hate) make the Crumar Seven the most realistic fake Rhodes I’ve ever played. I seriously get fooled by it. I ran it through a Fender Deluxe a couple weeks ago and couldn’t believe how realistic it sounded and felt.


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Originally Posted by Mitch Towne
Here’s the contrary view of the TP-100. The combination of the Crumar physical modeling and the TP-100 (which I thought I’d hate) make the Crumar Seven the most realistic fake Rhodes I’ve ever played. I seriously get fooled by it. I ran it through a Fender Deluxe a couple weeks ago and couldn’t believe how realistic it sounded and felt.


I agree. For whatever reason, the TP-100 in the Crumar Seven case (for good or bad) feels similar to playing some version of a Fender Rhodes, minus the weight mass of the instrument as a whole of course. The downside is it doesn’t speak well with the acoustic piano sounds onboard and although you can adjust velocity behavior in the modeled acoustic piano (at least the manual says you can) I was unable to find a way to edit the velocity curve for the sampled acoustic pianos which sound better. Are you aware of velocity curve editing or choices in the firmware, Mitch?




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Originally Posted by ElmerJFudd
" .. although you can adjust velocity behavior in the modeled acoustic piano .... I was unable to find a way to edit the velocity curve for the sampled acoustic pianos which sound better....


Not to steal this thread, but I wish someone would do a quick comparison video (or audio) of the sampled vs. modeled piano. I would have thought that the modeled piano would sound better than the sampled one.


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Originally Posted by Delaware Dave
Originally Posted by ElmerJFudd
" .. although you can adjust velocity behavior in the modeled acoustic piano .... I was unable to find a way to edit the velocity curve for the sampled acoustic pianos which sound better....


Not to steal this thread, but I wish someone would do a quick comparison video (or audio) of the sampled vs. modeled piano. I would have thought that the modeled piano would sound better than the sampled one.


I can’t think of a software or hardware instrument available today where the modeled acoustic piano is more convincing in timbre than a good sample library. Pianoteq and Roland’s V-Piano tech are furthest along - and some of the models are pretty good. Crumar’s Seven acoustic piano modeling is very thin sounding comparatively. But multigigabyte sample libraries that offer full length samples of real instruments at several velocity layers with different mic perspectives - that’s a tall order for modeling.
Electric Pianos is a different story - but for comparison try Canterbury Suitcase from Sonic Couture vs. Lounge Lizard EP-4 from AAS.

Back on topic... a shot from the other side shows a flat top.



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Preview is up!



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Originally Posted by OmniaAequalis
Preview is up!



Thanks for the quick share. Looks neat, they are really trickling out minimal information though.
OK so it does this era Rhodes sound smooth and with a bark. What else can it do...


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Wow. Lots of controls and 88-key version, looks more similar to the Nord Grand than to the Crumar Seven...except for the modeling sound engine. Who knows if there will be sampled pianos too?
Anyway we're again in the seventies...the flat-top piano is back with a vengeance!

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I read the keybed's not a Fatar one and that more info will be revealed at NAMM next month.


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Originally Posted by OmniaAequalis
I read the keybed's not a Fatar one and that more info will be revealed at NAMM next month.

Maybe they scored the Nord/Kawai deal. Would be a miracle.


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Based on that video snippet:

Sound is very good. Lot's of detail, grit, and dynamics. Seems to put it in same league as Crumar Seven. Might end up paralleling the Mojo/Legend comparison, where reasonable minds can differ on which is best.

Front panel looks stacked with controls. this seems to also parallel the Mojo v. Legend distinction, where Viscount offers the advantage of a more complete hardware interface.

Flat top = awesome!

88 keys . . . well, for me, that's just sad. I never want to gig with 88 keys again. Seems a bit silly for an ep-centered keyboard. But from a marketing perspective, I guess they have to consider that there's just as many, if not more, people who will not work with less than 88 keys. It also suggests that the acoustic piano emulation is strong.


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Originally Posted by Adan
88 keys . . . well, for me, that's just sad. I never want to gig with 88 keys again. Seems a bit silly for an ep-centered keyboard. But from a marketing perspective, I guess they have to consider that there's just as many, if not more, people who will not work with less than 88 keys. It also suggests that the acoustic piano emulation is strong.


The earlier pic they posted showed both an 88 and a 7x key version. Interestingly, the 88 had not only more keys, but more controls occupying the extra width of panel space that came along with the extra keys.


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It has both 73 and 88 keys versions

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Interestingly, the 88 had not only more keys, but more controls occupying the extra width of panel space that came along with the extra keys.


From what little can be seen in the teaser pic, the rightmost part of the panel seems to be duplicated in the 88.
Like the 73 had one set of controls, and the 88 two sets of the same. Maybe a two "slot" structure like the Nord Stage?

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I'd really like to pair this with my Legend on top. My wife would probably kill me if I'd suggest it 😋

I'm still pretty wowed every time I hear a moddeled instrument. I find it fascinating technology has come this far.


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It’s not unheard of for a MkI to be offered in an 88k - it’s actually historically accurate as far as Rhodes are concerned. wink But we don’t know much - yet. Maybe there’s other key length offerings ready to go.

For me though, in digital times, it’s tough to plunk down several thousand dollars on a digital facsimile that’s a one trick pony. No matter how cool the vibe. I’d expect this thing to do a respectable acoustic piano, a bass split, and to layer strings to be viable. Otherwise I’d get a CP88 for gigs and/or a Vintage Vibe Electric Piano for home and occasional outings.


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We don't know yet how many tricks this pony may have, nor what it will cost...


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Originally Posted by AnotherScott
We don't know yet how many tricks this pony may have, nor what it will cost...


'tis true. and I imagine, being post Crumar Seven - they made some different choices.


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Originally Posted by ElmerJFudd
I’d get a CP88 for gigs and/or a Vintage Vibe Electric Piano.


Ehm, aren't those Vintage Vibe instrument insanely expensive v.s. those digital fascimilies you talk about? No offense meant, just wondering what the reason would be for this.


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Originally Posted by OmniaAequalis
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I’d get a CP88 for gigs and/or a Vintage Vibe Electric Piano.


Ehm, aren't those Vintage Vibe instrument insanely expensive v.s. those digital fascimilies you talk about? No offense meant, just wondering what the reason would be for this.


The VV has or had at one point a no frills base model. But in the same vein id prefer a restored Rhodes to any digital instrument that only does the one EP sound. Again, we don’t know that’s the case here, and that’s a personal preference about what one may or may not think digital hardware is worth, what its longevity is, and will there be a model next season that makes this one sound like a dated attempt at realism.

On the flip side if it has to cost over $2k, or like the Zarenbourg closer to $4 or $5k then there are some very capable instruments in that range - your Yamaha and Korg arrangers and flagship workstation type boards that are so ridiculously capable it’s a struggle to look at a model with limited capability.

Instrument choice is really personal. So just sharing, everyone decides what’s best for themselves regardless.


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I would only take my VV to very special gigs. A digital facsimile makes for a much better gigging workhorse.


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Originally Posted by Adan
I would only take my VV to very special gigs. A digital facsimile makes for a much better gigging workhorse.



like

Practical.

With a name like Legend 70s - hard to say. I’d be surprised if it didn’t also do other 70s EPs at least.


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ElmerJFudd, thank you for explaining your thoughts about this.


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Originally Posted by OmniaAequalis
ElmerJFudd, thank you for explaining your thoughts about this.


Thank you for the conversation, kind sir.
The pros on a single sound digital facsimile type EP may of course outweigh the cons in a similar way people choose a digital piano over an acoustic. Price, weight and size, little maintenance required, sounds good enough. But digital pianos typically will give you additional sounds, metronome, split and layer capability, transpose function, etc. not possible on an acoustic.

Regardless, here we are waiting to see what Viscount has made so we’re interested!


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They discontinued my Physis K4 so I stocked up on parts.
I can’t even imagine using anything else, nothing out there compares.

Their Master MIDI Controller made performing so much fun again.
The thought of lugging around 2 less featured controllers to get close to what they made would make multiple scenes and multiple parts per scene a drag.

I tried software hosts and they’re getting there but we’ll see what 2020 brings in additional feature sets.

I’ve been a Viscount lover for 20 years + because of the Oberheim MC3000 and MC3000D.


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No price yet, but looks like b3guys is eager to carry it - https://www.b3guys.com/Viscount+Legend+70%27s+Vintage+Pianos+Keyboard.html/product_id/610

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Quote from b3guys page, re. Legend 70´S:

" Look for 3 new models ready to play at this years NAMM SHOW, Booth #7902."

Will it be 88 keys, 73 keys and a module?


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Originally Posted by JohnDoe

Will it be 88 keys, 73 keys and a module?


I'll be there [NAMM] so I'll let you know. cool


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Plus, old gear has a story. I like that.
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Originally Posted by davedoerfler
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Will it be 88 keys, 73 keys and a module?


I'll be there [NAMM] so I'll let you know. cool


Please do! Thank you!

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That Rhodes sound is pretty much on the mark.....


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I would only take my VV to very special gigs. A digital facsimile makes for a much better gigging workhorse.



The VV 64 is a pretty easy haul. It is lighter than a Wurly, and I can carry it in a padded bag with one hand ike a suitcase. You lose versatility compared to something like this threads titular keyboard but it is not like lugging a Mark I or anything.


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Looks VERY Interesting.
Dyno sounds excellent.....I’m hopeful earlier versions will sound equally good.
I’m also hopeful front panel will afford maximum sound sculpting to approximate other Rhodes years.
Considering the excellent quality of Legend Organs, I’m sure this will reach, if not exceed, that same bar.
Whether there are Wurli, Clav, etc, sounds would be a bonus, but not a deal breaker.
Of course, MAP, weight and dimensions will also tell the tale.

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I’d get a CP88 for gigs and/or a Vintage Vibe Electric Piano.


Ehm, aren't those Vintage Vibe instrument insanely expensive v.s. those digital fascimilies you talk about? No offense meant, just wondering what the reason would be for this.


The VVs are NOT insanely expensive if you look at ownership as a LIFETIME investment, like a great Acoustic Piano rather than on the “planned obsolescence” digital keyboard life cycle.
Plus the “reason would be” sound to finger” connection unrivaled by anything but a Rhodes!

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The VVs are NOT insanely expensive if you look at ownership as a LIFETIME investment, like a great Acoustic Piano rather than on the “planned obsolescence” digital keyboard life cycle.
Plus the “reason would be” sound to finger” connection unrivaled by anything but a Rhodes!


True, but as others have stated: I rather take a digital board with me on the road for a quarter of the price of a VV. I would however invest in one for a studio or at home if I had the funds.


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Keyscape can layer, wonder if Viscount Legend can do this.


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Wait...really?!?

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=2823914447664743&id=464098113646400

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A modular stage piano? This could be something REALLY new!

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Originally Posted by Spider76
Wait...really?!?

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=2823914447664743&id=464098113646400

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Why Legend '70s is different?
The front is composed by single modules that can be assembled and dismantled, allowing you to create the piano of your dreams! Crave for more? Come to visit us at Namm the Show - Booth 7902!


A modular stage piano? This could be something REALLY new!



THIS is the most coveted new release for my purposes...... Viscount could have a real winner here!


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I can see swapping this or that effect -
but are they also suggesting of you want a wurly or a steinway d you would add modules?


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Originally Posted by ElmerJFudd
I can see swapping this or that effect -
but are they also suggesting of you want a wurly or a steinway d you would add modules?



Great question, Elmer.... I presumed that it was both options you mention, although Viscount does not seem to be clear about it!


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If you zoom in on the 88 version I think there is a piano module on left of the display. It has the same layout as the piano module in the photo. Looks like there is another module next to it with a different layout. So the 88 might have space for a 2-3 modules? I would have expected the piano module to include control for sympathetic resonance. Whatever the case this is very interesting.

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interesting, so i am guessing each module is a DSP card for running an instrument modeling engine or effect processor with some proprietary connector for audio/midi io.
I am also guessing then, where you place the module locates it in the signal chain - so EQ before or after Phaser, etc.

Perhaps this also allowed them to keep price down using cheaper DSP chips to run a specific engine rather than an Atom or Arm like we see on the Kronos and Montage?
And then of course they would have users who want the EP engine only, or want the AP engine with FX or without, etc.
Wonder what it will cost loaded? hider

For me it will come down to that action again - how does it feel to play and how does it connect with the sounds it makes.


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Wow! Very excited to hear more at NAMM.


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I have no need for this, but the look of it (along with the Crumar Seven and to a lesser degree the Korg SV2) irrationally makes me want to get one of them.


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I have no need for this, but the look of it (along with the Crumar Seven and to a lesser degree the Korg SV2) irrationally makes me want to get one of them.
Yes, funny how they can do that, isn't it?


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One of the modules...

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Scott, where did you find this picture of the module?


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The photo definitely suggests the acoustic piano module is an add on. If we could see the back we’d know what sort of processor they are using to run the Physis Piano engine.

I haven’t heard too many examples of the Physis Piano where I liked the piano timbre it was getting. But they are further along than the acoustic piano model in the Crumar Seven IMHO. Pianoteq appears to have the most realistic acoustic piano code - maybe Roland VPiano being a close second.

On the other hand we’ve heard lots of examples where physical modeling is a doing a great job on electric pianos - GSi/Crumar Seven and Mojo 61, Lounge Lizard, etc.


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Scott, where did you find this picture of the module?

from a facebook post of theirs.


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Interesting that the acoustic piano module uses samples rather than the modeling from their Physis. (EPs are modeled, though.)

I like that the clav module mimics the layout of the original 6 rocker switches. I'm guessing that the mute button will activate the mod wheel to functions as the original's mute slider.

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Sound Cloud Demos

https://soundcloud.com/viscountinstrument/335-emotion

The Clav sounds good, phase effect is nice.
There's a 335 Guitar model or sample with Chorus sounds nice.
Suitcase and MkI sound good.
Acoustic pianos are meh in these demos - also, they aren't modeled like the Physis Piano, the Acoustic Piano module is sampled with 8 pianos and 128 polyphony.
Wurly is decent.

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Artist-W: 88 Keys, Graded hammer action, wooden keys, velocity sensitive with triple sensor
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I'm starting to warm to the idea of pluggable hardware modules, IF it is priced well. The entry level 76 with only EPs and extras better not be anywhere close to what its more complete competitors cost.

OTOH, if you consider the piano module sounds meh, you could hold out for them to do a modelled piano module. This is like Eurorack for pianos! grin


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Suitcase is very nice. Clav is pretty good. Nothing else struck me as being on par with the competition.

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This is becoming a very interesting category when you look at the new Korg SV2, Crumar Seven and the multi purpose and combo options like Grandstage, Vox Continental, CP 73/88, Nord Electro and Piano, Mojo 61, Roland VR730 and the new Yamaha YC61. I’m sure I’m missing a bunch of choices.

I really like the choices of designs and interfaces that we have. Sound wise, I’m not hearing anything that screams that it is more realistic than Busch’s Purgatory Creek vintage collection, or David Weiser’s presets or my conversion of Scarbee Mark I into my Forte Flash Drive... and we are by no means there with matching the realism of The Canterbury Suitcase or Keyscape in these products (or Scarbee EP-88s) but not sure those things matter for gigging. Lots of interface and keyboard action choices out there for the Rhodes centric player for sure! I sat in on a jam session recently on an MODX with Chick’s Rhodes and it was also satisfying. Just a great time to have choices.

Also nice to see instruments where the clav is not just an afterthought to tick the feature box but well thought out for playability.


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The pitch- & mod-wheels alignment ...

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This is becoming a very interesting category when you look at the new Korg SV2, Crumar Seven and the multi purpose and combo options like Grandstage, Vox Continental, CP 73/88, Nord Electro and Piano, Mojo 61, Roland VR730 and the new Yamaha YC61. I’m sure I’m missing a bunch of choices.

I really like the choices of designs and interfaces that we have. Sound wise, I’m not hearing anything that screams that it is more realistic than Busch’s Purgatory Creek vintage collection, or David Weiser’s presets or my conversion of Scarbee Mark I into my Forte Flash Drive... and we are by no means there with matching the realism of The Canterbury Suitcase or Keyscape in these products (or Scarbee EP-88s) but not sure those things matter for gigging. Lots of interface and keyboard action choices out there for the Rhodes centric player for sure! I sat in on a jam session recently on an MODX with Chick’s Rhodes and it was also satisfying. Just a great time to have choices.

Also nice to see instruments where the clav is not just an afterthought to tick the feature box but well thought out for playability.


From the specs it’s also looking like they went with Fatar actions. Triple sensor with wood side panels on the keys in graded and balanced variants. Where else would they source actions like these? Roland isn’t going to supply them. Could possibly be Kawai. But I doubt it.


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My Viscount Legend is a Fatar TP-8O action. It would make sense for the likelihood of a boutique Italian keyboard to be sourcing Fatar actions for this as well.


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Am I the only one looking at this and thinking: put JUST the external module in there, and you've got a hammer-action controller with a flat top to sit under a Nord Electro, VR09, yes YC61 or other "clonewheel-plus"?

So much depends on action, and price.

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Originally Posted by stoken6
Am I the only one looking at this and thinking: put JUST the external module in there, and you've got a hammer-action controller with a flat top to sit under a Nord Electro, VR09, yes YC61 or other "clonewheel-plus"?

So much depends on action, and price.

Cheers, Mike.


It's an appealing idea (even though I'm not in the market for it right now). The Crumar Seven will also do this too, so the question might come down to which one. The "Early Case" soundcloud example was brief and repetitive so not the best for judging, but it seemed very close to the much sought after "Herbie" sound.

Like I said earlier in this thread, this may come down to Crumar and Viscount being very competitive with each other, to the point where reasonable minds can differ.


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Am I the only one looking at this and thinking: put JUST the external module in there, and you've got a hammer-action controller with a flat top to sit under a Nord Electro, VR09, yes YC61 or other "clonewheel-plus"?

So much depends on action, and price.

Cheers, Mike.

Good idea. However based upon experience with a Kawai MP11 with triple sensors action and Nord Stage 3 Compact the benefits with triple sensor does not translate via midi from the controller to the Nord. I think this is an area with lack of real or de facto standards.

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Am I the only one looking at this and thinking: put JUST the external module in there

Based on the info on the site so far, that isn't a config they are selling. This is what they list as ways to buy it:

Compact: (Sound modules: E.Piano, Sound Collection, Free Slot 1, Free Slot 2)
Artist / Artist-W: (Sound modules: E.Piano, Sound Collection, Free Slot 1, Free Slot 2, Free Slot 3)

So it looks like it always comes with the EP module and the general sounds module.


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To my ears, the Rhodes mk I sounds exactly like it does in the Physis Piano (and expansion for K4 /5).
They even use the same MIDI files for demonstration.
I like the modular concept and the flat top,- except the wheels-configuration ...

When they want it compact, why using wheels ?
There are toys like the Roland paddle or a joystick saving space.

Or what about a ribbon and some modulation controller like a pressure sensitive pad or similar.
It all exists already.
Instead they use what they have,- the FATAR type haptics.
No innovation at all.

I´d imagine a pressure sensitive ribbon,- up/down movement for pitch and pressure for modulation,- user scalable.
It´s not a synth per sé and such controller combo would be more than enough for a (physical model) DP and ROMpler, saving space and being more innovative.

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The EPs sound very pleasant, nicely musical, but not totally authentic. Reminds me a bit of the earlier modeled EPs from Gem in their RP-X module. That was also Italian, I wonder if any of the same developers were involved.


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That is one clicky Rhodes sound.


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Originally Posted by mate stubb
That is one clicky Rhodes sound.

Yes, that little click or pop was what first made me think RP-X. It's a nice sound, really, it's just not something you'd expect out of a real Rhodes.


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I wonder if that clacky sound can be edited ? Im sure there must be a hammer hardness parameter in the editor. Of course they release this right after I splurge on a crumar seven. I really like the sound and vibe of the seven , but those endless decoder knobs are getting to me. Im very interested in the legend , the module concept but so far I’m not hearing anything that would make me want one over the seven. No info on MAP , keybed used and very little demos properly recorded. There is a clip of Joey D playing AP that is great but recorded on a phone at Namm.


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The Seven is compact, has a lid, and compartment to store the legs and a way to carry it. They did their best to keep the weight down on a 70s design and build theme (33lbs/51.8lbs w/ cover and legs). Part of that is also the choice of going with the TP-100. Remarkably, it feels a lot like a Rhodes in this case - how it interacts with their modeled Rhodes. Unfortunately, it’s not as pleasing with acoustic pianos - but this is to be expected when the design is so focused on the Rhodes. Most wouldn’t enjoy it if their piano tech came over the house and swapped their Steinway’s action for a Mk I’s.

I wish the Legend 70s received a little more media activity this weekend. There’s a fairly light spec weight (35.8lbs), but I don’t see how the legs come on and off (specs suggest it is a metal stand that requires a separate bag for carry). Similarly, other than the Rhodes, I’m not able to get a sense of what these included and installable DSP modules can do. They aren't being open about which action they are using, but it's highly likely to be a TP-100 at this weight. The acoustic pianos they shared are pretty weak for sampled instruments. Maybe the models they are showing are prototype and they haven’t worked everything out yet.




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I had a wonderful time at NAMM 2020. I know many of you want to know more about what happened in the Viscount booth and in particular, the new 70s stage keyboard. In full disclosure, I’m a Viscount Legend Artist and I performed and presented at the booth.

On the floor there were 3 models - the 73 and 88 with a Fatar action (Elvio said it was similar to the Nord action although I’m not sure exactly which one) and the wood action 88. I liked the action on all of them although the wood action 88 was extremely nice to play. The 70s comes standard with an ep module (5 rhodes, 2 wurlitzers, and an e grand) and a sound collection bank which has pads, strings, choir, brass, keyboard, organ, bass, guitar, bells, marimba, and other sounds. More sounds will be available for the collection bank. For an extra cost, you can add two modules - the acoustic piano module and the clavinet module. It’s very easy to add the different modules. Three screws hold the top rail and you can easily remove the rail and add different modules. There is a full effects section which you can easily add several effects like reverb, wah, etc. You can also split the keyboard and it has an extensive midi implementation.

Even though I had never played the keyboard, I was surprised at how intuitive it was to play. Having different modules made it dead simple to understand which sound was playing. One thing I immediately noticed was how easy it was to control the volume levels if I had two voices layered or in split mode. There is an easy to read display and a 3 band eq as well. I really liked the look of the keyboard. It has a flat top where you can put another keyboard like the Viscount solo on top. There is also an iPad editor where you can dial in your sounds.

The big question - how does it sound? Playing at NAMM is never the best way to audition a keyboard especially with all the ambient noise. However, I thought the sounds were extremely playable and detailed. I really enjoyed playing the acoustic pianos. There are eight models and separate dynamic and brilliance knobs. I wish I could have spent more time on each sound but time is always limited at NAMM. Joey Defrancesco played the 70s with a trio (drums/sax). He mainly used the piano, ep, and bass sound. I was very impressed at the bass sound! It had a nice woody thunk.

If anyone has questions about the instrument, let me know.

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excellent summary, Brian. Was nice to finally meet you


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Plus, old gear has a story. I like that.
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I'm guessing if it has wood sides and a triple sensor, it's probably some variant of the TP-40W on the 88 key? Although there is only 6/7lbs difference between the 73 and 88k.

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I really enjoyed playing the acoustic pianos. There are eight models and separate dynamic and brilliance knobs.


I'm surprised to hear you liked the sound of the acoustic pianos.
Can you confirm what you heard sounded like the soundcloud examples of the acoustics they've chosen to share?

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To avoid any confusion, the 3 models have names. There is the 70s compact (73 keys), the 70s Artist (88 keys), and the Artist w (wood 88). The compact and artist have the Fatar tp100. I’m no sure if the action name on the 88. They were pretty quiet on the builder of the action.

Dave - great to meet you as well! I’m sorry I couldn’t stay longer to talk to you and Joe! I
Had to catch a plane. smile

Elmer - unfortunately I didn’t have a chance to listen to the SoundCloud examples prior to namm.

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Joey plays the Legend 70s with a Legend Live stacked on top.



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Nice video! It's really hard to make judgements from NAMM booth videos, but I really appreciate the competition in this class of products between Viscount and Crumar to recreate the vintage instrument playing experience with new technology. It's really fun to see this.

I'm not trying to make an "XXXX is better than YYYY" blanket statement, but I do have my own personal observations to generalize.

My overall impression is that Viscount does a better job than Crumar in its layout, ergonomics and build quality. And I think that Crumar edges out Viscount in some of the details of tone or accuracy of the sounds to the instruments they are emulating.

They are both good in every checklist and I would be happy to own/gig with either, but I am just generalizing based on what I think each is slightly better at than the other. Your opinions may vary.


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Recommended Retail Price (Europe)
Legend '70s

Legend '70s Compact € 1690,00
Legend '70s Artist € 1890,00
Legend '70s Artist-W € 2190,00

Modules

A.Piano Module € 295,00
Clavi Module € 159,00
External Module € 159,00

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Legend '70s

Legend '70s Compact $ 1995,00
Legend '70s Artist $ 2230,00
Legend '70s Artist-W $ 2695,00

Modules

A.Piano Module $ 349,00
Clavi Module $ 195,00
External Module $ 195,00

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I saw this video on FB yesterday.

https://youtu.be/EQOMPK-KdFA

The issue here is there doesn't seem to be a note off model / sample. One of the defining characteristics of the Rhodes is how the dampers don't stop the tines from vibrating instantly. There's a distinct release time and sound associated with that release time that is missing in the Viscount. Without that it sounds unrealistic. Also the bell sound is synthetic to me.

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Legend ‘70s Editor is a compatible Windows, MacOs and iOS application specifically designed to modify all the parameters of the instrument easily and quickly. It greatly expands the editing experience by displaying the parameters in dedicated screens immediately accessible with a click. Moreover, it allows to customize the sounds of the instrument with fine adjustments that are not available from the control panel.



Legend ‘70s Editor is very powerful, but also extremely easy to use. Once connected through the USB cable, every modification made on the computer can be heard in real time on the piano. It comes with a clear and simple user interface, adaptable to any screen resolution. In addition to adjusting and storing the parameters in the instrument, the application allows you to save them in your own computer, and to reload them if necessary in an easy and fast way.



Specifically, Legend '70s Editor allows you to:

- Edit all parameters of the program;

- Edit parameters of each module;

- Edit parameters of the reverb and the effects;

- Edit and arrange the list of the songs;

- Edit all system parameters;

- Adjust physical modeling parameters of E.Piano and Clavi modules;

- Save and load programs and settings of the instrument;

- Prepare live sets of ready-to-select programs;

- Give your best during your live performance.



MINIMUM SYSTEM REQUIREMENTS



CPU: Pentium class III or higher

RAM: 32 MB

Hard Disk: 20 MB free space

Operating System: Windows Vista, Windows XP (32 and 64 bit), Windows 7, Windows 8, Windows 10, Mac OS X ver. Lion 10.7 or later.

Ports: a standard USB port

Connection: A type A-B USB cable not longer than 3 meters

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Other screens/features

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last one.

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Closer look at the Clav...



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The acoustic piano lacks dynamics, sounds like a compressor is on. I wonder how much adjustment can be made.


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Thanks for the info.
I’m trying to get WaveState in my mind so haven’t had time for the L70 yet.
Reason why I’m interested is the sounds are editable, and I can leave my Physis K4 at home.
I’m still waiting for a manual from Viscount but those cats are always slow with parts, support, etc.
But their support is excellent once you connect.
Their warranty’s are really reassuring too. 3 years.

I’m wanting a new MIDI Controller and this might just cut it for what I’m into lately.
Using half of the Physis K4’s immense Arsenal seems so wasteful.
I’d like to make sure it works perfectly if I ever need to run audio, lights, FX, etc.

If anyone gets info on the External Module I’d be grateful.

Been using PC’s since 1995 and never once had a crash, this would ensure that flawless record because I’ll use a WaveState with keyboard sawed off, an SE-02, HX-3 and Strymons. NoMo PC’s will be a nice change.


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Well,- actually no in-depth details on the "external module".
I´m probably interested too,- waiting for PDF manuals.
Love the flat-top and hope it will have some advanced MIDI masterkeyboard features derived from K4/5.

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We can only hope.

No other company has such elaborate DAW and MIDI control.
Since 1995 with the Oberheim MC3000 to the mighty Physis K4.

I just want 25% of what the K4 does and I can leave my PC based rig at home.
I’ll definitely miss the high quality sounds and Horn/String articulations, but my life just got easy again.

I haven’t been just a keyboard player for 20 years.
I feel guilty.


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Originally Posted by hardware
I just want 25% of what the K4 does and I can leave my PC based rig at home.

okay, why not just buy a K4? ;-)


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Originally Posted by hardware
We can only hope.

No other company has such elaborate DAW and MIDI control.
Since 1995 with the Oberheim MC3000 to the mighty Physis K4.

I just want 25% of what the K4 does and I can leave my PC based rig at home.



More like dream. After writing/adapting the firmware to give a portion of the K4 midi functionality how many people will care to buy the knobby or slidery module with configurable midi CCs and such? Nope, ain't gonna happen imo. Not that kind of board.

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Looking at the outputs seems to indicate they will have plenty of control.
Enough for me at least.
Need more information.

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Originally Posted by hardware
Looking at the outputs seems to indicate they will have plenty of control.
Enough for me at least.
Need more information.


The pic just only tells what you can connect ...
DIN-MIDI wise it´s limited to 1 MIDI port/ 16 MIDI channels.
Now I wonder what it does via USB.
Can be it compares to Kurzweil where USB just only mirrors physical MIDI (1 port / 16 channels).
On the Kurz I can work w/ 16 zones and lots of physical controllers, re-channelize MIDI-In, remap controllers etc. ...
Let´s see what Viscount does w/ 1 MIDI I/O and USB.

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Originally Posted by hardware
Looking at the outputs seems to indicate they will have plenty of control.
Enough for me at least.
Need more information.


The pic just only tells what you can connect ...
DIN-MIDI wise it´s limited to 1 MIDI port/ 16 MIDI channels.
Now I wonder what it does via USB.
Can be it compares to Kurzweil where USB just only mirrors physical MIDI (1 port / 16 channels).
On the Kurz I can work w/ 16 zones and lots of physical controllers, re-channelize MIDI-In, remap controllers etc. ...
Let´s see what Viscount does w/ 1 MIDI I/O and USB.

A.C.




Yeah, while the I/O may be sufficient (it would be for me) this isn't even .25% of a K4.

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Sounds great IMO and way better than the 1st gen of Physis Piano DPs did,-
at least to my ears.

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Yeah, while the I/O may be sufficient (it would be for me) this isn't even .25% of a K4.


Exactly.

To be, it needs at least 2 physical MIDI I/Os, full MIDI implementation via USB (64channels I/O) and every single feature K4/5 offers for a single MIDI zone and incl. the 4 "scenes" per zone.

When investigating the "External Module", I recognize 3 realtime rotary controllers, freely assignable to any single MIDI CC number per MIDI channel and port.
And there are MIDI Program Changes, Bank MSB/LSB ... also per channel and port.
Actually I have no guess what the #1 and #2 numbered buttons do and I only hope these will not be the only 2 MIDI presets for that module.
I wonder if the MIDI Volume knob is realtime only or allows MIDI CC#11 offsets to be programmed.
I really appreciate the Ext. MIDI module´s ON/OFF button featuring a LED,- so I guess it´s possible switching MIDI on or off on the fly and overriding MIDI presets,- an excellent feature I always loved on my Roland/Rhodes MK80.
And I recognize split- and transpose- icons, each equipped w/ a dedicated LED too,- but have no clue how to program.
Must be some hidden stuff like button double presses or such.

We´ll see.
It´s plenty already when it works like I guess above.
Enough for most tasks except the very large rigs.

B.t.w., I cannot recognize the Physis K4 and 5 to be discontinued ...
Physis K4
They are just only not available here.
Maybe they sell stock and come up w/ something upgraded @Musikmesse.
When the "upgrade" would just only be the color,- I´d already be happy ´cause I liked it in black and hated the blue.

Vintage 70 is black, Legend J.d.F Edition is ...
maybe they do it w/ K4/5 too.

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Re: Viscount Legend '70s [Re: Al Coda] #3028872 02/13/20 06:17 PM
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Well embarrassing confession: I totally missed seeing the External Module. This is very cool and looks to be more than enough for most peoples needs. I still stand by it not being close to a K4 but this is looking very promising as a controller. I actually played with the Legend at NAMM although I don't remember seeing the External module. But Elvio came over and spent a good amount of time showing me the board and we discussed this modular approach. What a nice guy.

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I’d buy the Legend if I could use the EPiano module and a pair of Ext. modules, each being a piece of a K4.

Markyboard, how were the other sounds in your opinion?
I don’t expect high quality like my PC, but probably good enough.


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Re: Viscount Legend '70s [Re: Markyboard] #3028945 02/14/20 01:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Markyboard
I actually played with the Legend at NAMM although I don't remember seeing the External module. But Elvio came over and spent a good amount of time showing me the board and we discussed this modular approach. What a nice guy.

I also spent a fair amount of time at the Viscount booth talking to Elvio as soon as I was sure Markyboard wasn't around. laugh
CRS issues aside, I also don't recall seeing the external module. Only the acoustic piano, electric piano, and clavinet modules were on display. That's my story and I'm sticking to it. keys


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Re: Viscount Legend '70s [Re: hardware] #3028952 02/14/20 02:04 AM
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Originally Posted by hardware

Markyboard, how were the other sounds in your opinion?
I don’t expect high quality like my PC, but probably good enough.



Being NAMM and the challenges with drawing any conclusions regarding sound I think your expectations are reasonable. I’m also far from the best person to ask as I was drawn in far more from an engineering aspect than musical one. Still nothing stuck out as sounding bad. In fact everything I tried sounded on par with other similar boards of this type including the Nord Grand and the SV2 which I had a brief run with.

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Good to have a forum of fellow performers with opinions I value.

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Re: Viscount Legend '70s [Re: Mark_OA] #3029135 02/15/20 05:40 AM
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Kraft got their hands on one...



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Re: Viscount Legend '70s [Re: Mark_OA] #3029143 02/15/20 07:04 AM
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So far, I am fairly disappointed with the demos I've heard. For a board I would almost definitely have to buy sight unseen, that's not gonna do it.


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Re: Viscount Legend '70s [Re: MAJUSCULE] #3029152 02/15/20 01:55 PM
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Originally Posted by MAJUSCULE
So far, I am fairly disappointed with the demos I've heard. For a board I would almost definitely have to buy sight unseen, that's not gonna do it.


Are the sounds failing you or do they need to hire Max Tempia?

The acoustic pianos are better in these recent demos than what they posted on SoundCloud. But not amazing sounding - there’s plenty of sample storage on the the acoustic piano module for detail - maybe it sounds better with the band. The Rhodes is unique, the wurly and clav are unremarkable. Perhaps they focused more on the design and need to put more time in on the sounds. Giving each its own module is an opportunity to do something amazing with all of these timbres.


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The sounds. Cheesy IMNSHO. But I just bought a Stage 3, I wouldn't be a serious customer unless I suddenly inherited a large sum of money.

I agree that the AP was passable in the last demo video. And they seem to be fairly tweakable from previous posts, but still. Tough sell when you don't have a unit on every store floor.


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Re: Viscount Legend '70s [Re: Mark_OA] #3029183 02/15/20 06:39 PM
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If I sound harsh, it's because the concept of the board is so attractive to me. I was pretty excited when it was announced.


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Re: Viscount Legend '70s [Re: MAJUSCULE] #3029222 02/16/20 12:57 AM
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Originally Posted by MAJUSCULE
If I sound harsh, it's because the concept of the board is so attractive to me. I was pretty excited when it was announced.


Ya I dig that. I am pulling for these guys because I like what they've made.
But like Dexibel - it's going to take time to get the sounds right.


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thanks for sharing a video of mine with the Legend '70s prototype laugh

just a couple of little specifications, concerning the comparison with other instruments…

this Legend has not to be compared (strictly speaking) to the Crumar Seven.
the Seven is still a unique kind of instrument and maybe the only possible comparison for it should be a real Rhodes, or Wurly, or Clavinet. OK, it has acoustic and electric grand sounds too (and new piano samples will come in the future), but its concept and philosophy is still “one of a kind”.

the Legend ‘70s is more likely a complete stage piano or a kind of workstation, with splits, layers, master keyboard midi function, dozen of sounds, etc.

talking about keybed, the prototype I tested was equipped with the new version of the Fatar TP100, definitely faster and more responsive compared to the “old” TP100 on Dexibell, Nord, Seven, etc.
it should be the standard equipment for the 73 and 88 keys version.
the wooden version (88 keys only) will be a new designed model from Fatar.

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I can’t see this as being marketed as a workstation with a name like “Legend 70’s” and a catalog of mostly electro mechanical keyboard emulations. It’s looking to me like it’s squarely up against retro style boards like Crumar Seven, Nord Grand, Korg SV2, etc

TP/100 is definitely moving this from “GAS” to “Pass”.


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NEW TP-100? Pray tell - haven't heard anything about this.


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Re: Viscount Legend '70s [Re: Mark_OA] #3029481 02/17/20 10:12 PM
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It’s going to be compared to the Seven no matter what, even if it has better midi implementation and is expandable.

The TP-100 on the Seven is actually really good feeling for Rhodes. It plays the acoustic piano patches like poop. Needs some major work on the dynamic curves to get that right. Just my opinion but A/Bing with a CP88 didn’t help at all.

Revised TP-100? Yes first I’ve heard of this as well, the proof is in the pudding.

Then I’m guessing the 88 has the TP-40W with triple sensor? Maybe Viscount can update their specs to clarify this for us.


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Yeah, please update the information and throw in the Master MIDI / EXT. Module functions info too.
I can see my SE-02, HX-3.5 and hacked WaveState sitting on top.

Hoping Robert D. still is their NAmerica guy.


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Great news from Viscount.
Most modules are self explanatory, but they’re still writing the manual for External Module.
Appears more than one can be used which is great news.


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