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#2986962 - 04/26/19 08:46 AM Re: 7ths Chords [Re: DocPate]
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#2987090 - 04/27/19 03:49 AM Re: 7ths Chords [Re: Fred_C]
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OK, so let's say...

I wish to buy an LP, but don't wish to pay thousands of dollars for the supposedly "poor quality" newer instruments, so which year would any consider a good "cut-off" year for purchasing a "previously owned" model? idk
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#2987127 - 04/27/19 08:57 AM Re: 7ths Chords [Re: whitefang]
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Originally Posted By: whitefang
OK, so let's say...

I wish to buy an LP, but don't wish to pay thousands of dollars for the supposedly "poor quality" newer instruments, so which year would any consider a good "cut-off" year for purchasing a "previously owned" model? idk
Whitefang


I think Gibson began to have quality issues around 2010. In 2009 or thereabouts, they had the "wood" issue and spent a lot of bucks to try to defend their position. It was around this time that they began to have financial problems and as a result traded the typical Gibson quality for more profits. So, I probably would opt for a pre-2010 guitar if I were to look for a used one.

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#2987184 - 04/27/19 09:37 PM Re: 7ths Chords [Re: DocPate]
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Originally Posted By: DocPate
I think Gibson began to have quality issues around 2010. In 2009 or thereabouts, they had the "wood" issue and spent a lot of bucks to try to defend their position. It was around this time that they began to have financial problems and as a result traded the typical Gibson quality for more profits. So, I probably would opt for a pre-2010 guitar if I were to look for a used one.


Try long before that. My 1996 Les Paul had some SERIOUS quality issues and never should have left the factory the way it was, but I got it effectively brand-new for a used price considerably less than a third of its list-price at the time and I got most of what I wanted in a Les Paul.

But decades before that, a company called Norlin had acquired the Gibson brand, and wreaked all manner of crap substandard quality on Gibson's materials and design in their flagship lines... I thought that this was well known...
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#2987204 - 04/28/19 04:03 AM Re: 7ths Chords [Re: Caevan O'Shite]
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OK. Thanks, I think....
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#2987242 - 04/28/19 02:56 PM Re: 7ths Chords [Re: Caevan O'Shite]
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Originally Posted By: Caevan O'Shite
But decades before that, a company called Norlin had acquired the Gibson brand, and wreaked all manner of crap substandard quality on Gibson's materials and design in their flagship lines...


Quite analogous to Fender's CBS period.
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#2987243 - 04/28/19 02:59 PM Re: 7ths Chords [Re: whitefang]
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Originally Posted By: whitefang
OK, so let's say...
I wish to buy an LP, but don't wish to pay thousands of dollars for the supposedly "poor quality" newer instruments, so which year would any consider a good "cut-off" year for purchasing a "previously owned" model? idk
Whitefang


What I would recommend would be getting a PRS, since I feel they've perfected what Gibson started, design-wise. And apparently Gibson felt threatened enough by PRS's competition that they sued when PRS came out with a single cutaway LP-like design.
Also Eastman has an LP design guitar, which I haven't played, but if everything else which Eastman has made holds true, it will be a superior alternative to the Gibson. Ditto Heritage.
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#2987427 - 04/30/19 03:59 AM Re: 7ths Chords [Re: Scott Fraser]
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All fine ideas, sure, but.....

"LP like" isn't really an "LP". wink
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#2987452 - 04/30/19 06:39 AM Re: 7ths Chords [Re: whitefang]
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I owned a Guild Bluesbird AAA for a couple of years. It was designed on the LP formula of a solid maple top on a mahogany body. Somewhat different in that the body was "chambered" rather than solid. So, it was considered a "semi-hollow" design. Ditto the Carvin Sh550 I owned. Both guitars were essentially shaped like a LP. Both were gorgeous instruments
And both were under $2K.

If I were interested in a Les Paul, I would probably buy an Epiphone for around $700, upgrade the pickups for around $250 and wind up with a nice LP for around $1K.

On a related topic, there are several videos on YouTube which compare an Epi Sheraton II with an ES335 and videos detailing the Epi ES335 PRO. It looks and sounds really nice.

I have no interest in owning a $4K+ Gibson.
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#2987473 - 04/30/19 08:08 AM Re: 7ths Chords [Re: Fred_C]
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I have only owned 2 LP's. The LP Deluxe I bought in 72 and wish I had never sold back around '84. And, the LP Classic I own now that I bought about 2 years ago to finally replace the one I sold. I am more than happy with the one I own now and it cost me $1,600 new. It did have a quality control issue with the output jack as did my Epiphone ES-175. I had both of them fixed by my tech for $40 bucks. cool


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#2987639 - 05/01/19 04:46 AM Re: 7ths Chords [Re: Larryz]
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If the only quality issues with the newer LPs is electronics, that sounds like an easy( albeit not really all that cheap) fix. Then the problem becomes finding a good enough and reliable enough tech to help with it? wink
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#2987644 - 05/01/19 05:22 AM Re: 7ths Chords [Re: whitefang]
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Re the apparent shift here from discussion of musical interval effects, all companies can have quality control issues at any time.
This relates a bit to the concurrent "boutique or brand" thread.

In the (actually increasing) range of product, uh, producers in the modern world there's in fact less diff between some items (So, yes, "LP-like can be more LP than an LP") but still a flawed item can occur.
My perennial advice on acquisitions applies.

Further (& a bit controversially) I'll assert that between what are viewed a totally diff types of instruments, those diffs are often psychological as much as actual.
There are ways to make very diverse gear combinations sound like each other.
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