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#2975456 - 02/13/19 01:10 AM Re: Yamaha MODX [Re: MotiDave]
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the ďare you sure you want to exit without saving?Ē would become annoying, if for example, you tweaked a filter whilst playing a performance. a shift function to lock the performance better. it was invaluable on my korg electribe where you could lose both sounds and patterns you were working on.
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#2975467 - 02/13/19 06:07 AM Re: Yamaha MODX [Re: konaboy]
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Originally Posted By: konaboy
the ďare you sure you want to exit without saving?Ē would become annoying, if for example, you tweaked a filter whilst playing a performance. a shift function to lock the performance better. it was invaluable on my korg electribe where you could lose both sounds and patterns you were working on.


Agree, hence the Con of Pro and Con. I think after you forget to save something you worked on a couple time - you stop doing that. It set in for me, at least. Yamaha actually decided to protect against the exact opposite - it requires double confirmation before it will save, i guess on the theory that the action will overwrite and permenantly delete something already saved.
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#2975538 - 02/13/19 12:09 PM Re: Yamaha MODX [Re: MotiDave]
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The Moog One solution of turning presets into open-ended collections of "snapshots" with an auto-saved snapshot you can return to seems ideal for something like this. I do hope we see more investment in user interface design for synthesizers again, and Moog seems committed to leading the way.
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#2975549 - 02/13/19 01:59 PM Re: Yamaha MODX [Re: Lady Gaia]
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TI do hope we see more investment in user interface design

Yes... interface and ergonomics is how hardware can continue to differentiate itself in the face of the cost-effective sonic horsepower of computers.
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#2975557 - 02/13/19 02:47 PM Re: Yamaha MODX [Re: AnotherScott]
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Originally Posted By: AnotherScott
Originally Posted By: Lady Gaia
I do hope we see more investment in user interface design

Yes... interface and ergonomics is how hardware can continue to differentiate itself in the face of the cost-effective sonic horsepower of computers.


Very well said! I agree wholeheartedly! Creating an effective workflow that is both flexible and elegant increases creative productivity!
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#2976219 - 02/17/19 02:35 PM Re: Yamaha MODX [Re: MotiDave]
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Well heck. I have some questions and the manual won't download and there is no way I have time to read this whole thread. I'm guessing the answer won't be great or Blake would make the number of saveable Live Sets and the number of max performance per live set a key point of his sales pitches. Is just 16 performances?(one screen). How many Live sets can you create?
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#2976222 - 02/17/19 03:03 PM Re: Yamaha MODX [Re: CEB]
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i don't know the limit, but for sure more than 1 screen! i'm sure you can create as many live sets as you will ever need.
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#2976225 - 02/17/19 03:27 PM Re: Yamaha MODX [Re: konaboy]
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I found a article Phil wrote.

https://www.yamahasynth.com/modx-category/mastering-modx-performance-basics-2-and-the-live-set

There are eight banks. Each bank has 16 pages. Each page holds 16 performances. It's more limited and more awkward than my Korg but It could work. But it's 10 pounds lighter and half the cost of an LS.


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#2976247 - 02/17/19 07:56 PM Re: Yamaha MODX [Re: CEB]
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It has a Preset Live set of what Yamaha imagined are either most needed Perfs or to showcase some particular motion control programming.

Then you can have 8 User live sets, and each live set can have up to 9 pages. Each page has 16 slots. so each live set can hold 16x9 Performances, and you have 8 of them.

you wonít use them all, even in your busy gigging life. I currently have 4 Live Sets for the 4 bands I play with on occasion. I havenít gotten to page 4 on any of them,
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#2976248 - 02/17/19 07:58 PM Re: Yamaha MODX [Re: MotiDave]
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I see Philís comments - I may have counted wrong and not checked every crevice. Suffice its a bunch.
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#2976633 - 02/20/19 05:00 AM Re: Yamaha MODX [Re: MotiDave]
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Question re MODX6/7 action - is it closer to something like the FA06 or the Jupiter 50? I know it says "semi-weighted" but I'm finding a lot of keyboards billed as "semi-weighted" just feel like a non-weighted MIDI controllers. Semi-weighted is also a vague term. Nord's semi-weighted is a far cry from Roland's.

My FA isn't semi weighted - it doesn't claim to be, and it's just a synth keyboard with a hinge type action. The Jupiter 50 on the other hand has a synth style keyboard, but you can very obviously feel a bit of weight underneath the keys. Which of these would you say the MODX is most like?
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#2976641 - 02/20/19 06:33 AM Re: Yamaha MODX [Re: N4dr0j]
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My 2 cents, and since I have the FA07 and considered the FA06, lets quantify the FA06 action/feel etc to help your comparison.

The FA06 keybed is very much a budget [ cheap] keybed action.

On a scale of 10 for synth action with 10 being excellent, the FA06 is a 2. IOW, this synth action is a deterrent not a plus. I know some folks will say they love their FA06, I can understand that.
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#2976644 - 02/20/19 06:39 AM Re: Yamaha MODX [Re: GregC]
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Originally Posted By: GregC
My 2 cents, and since I have the FA07 and considered the FA06, lets quantify the FA06 action/feel etc to help your comparison.

The FA06 keybed is very much a budget [ cheap] keybed action.

On a scale of 10 for synth action with 10 being excellent, the FA06 is a 2. IOW, this synth action is a deterrent not a plus. I know some folks will say they love their FA06, I can understand that.


Hi Greg, I have the same keyboard and would agree with your assessment. My question is how the MODX compares to it.
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#2976656 - 02/20/19 07:37 AM Re: Yamaha MODX [Re: N4dr0j]
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Originally Posted By: N4dr0j
Originally Posted By: GregC
My 2 cents, and since I have the FA07 and considered the FA06, lets quantify the FA06 action/feel etc to help your comparison.

The FA06 keybed is very much a budget [ cheap] keybed action.

On a scale of 10 for synth action with 10 being excellent, the FA06 is a 2. IOW, this synth action is a deterrent not a plus. I know some folks will say they love their FA06, I can understand that.


Hi Greg, I have the same keyboard and would agree with your assessment. My question is how the MODX compares to it.


Same here, I am interested in how MODX 6/7 owners make a comparison assuming they have experience with the FA06 or even the Fa07
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#2976706 - 02/20/19 12:17 PM Re: Yamaha MODX [Re: GregC]
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FWIW, I briefly tried the MODX7, FA-07 and KROME EX 73 at NAMM and they felt pretty similar. All short throw, bottom out easily, but a little better than the old Krome or FA-06.

It was by no means a thorough examination, though. I played the EX for ~20 minutes as it was new, but I didnít spend more than 2-3 minutes with the other ones.
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#2976716 - 02/20/19 12:42 PM Re: Yamaha MODX [Re: N4dr0j]
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Originally Posted By: N4dr0j
Semi-weighted is also a vague term.

Yes, semi-weighted is essentially a non-hammer (synth-ish) action, with some kind of weight added. Which still leaves plenty of room for one to feel very different from another.

MODX6/7 does not push up against your fingers as much as the FA-06 does. It also feels more even in its response from front to back than either the FA-06 or FA-07 do, so it's at least more like the Jupiter 50 in that regard. But I would not say it feels as good as a Jupiter 50, which does have more of a sense of weightedness. So maybe it's halfway between an FA and a Jupiter 50?
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#2976718 - 02/20/19 12:46 PM Re: Yamaha MODX [Re: zephonic]
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FWIW, I briefly tried the MODX7, FA-07 and KROME EX 73 at NAMM and they felt pretty similar. All short throw, bottom out easily, but a little better than the old Krome

That's interesting, that the new Krome feels better than the old one.
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#2976725 - 02/20/19 01:49 PM Re: Yamaha MODX [Re: AnotherScott]
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Originally Posted By: N4dr0j
Semi-weighted is also a vague term.

Yes, semi-weighted is essentially a non-hammer (synth-ish) action, with some kind of weight added. Which still leaves plenty of room for one to feel very different from another.

MODX6/7 does not push up against your fingers as much as the FA-06 does. It also feels more even in its response from front to back than either the FA-06 or FA-07 do, so it's at least more like the Jupiter 50 in that regard. But I would not say it feels as good as a Jupiter 50, which does have more of a sense of weightedness. So maybe it's halfway between an FA and a Jupiter 50?


Thanks Scott, that sounds like it'll be plenty playable for me in the case. I somehow gigged with a Juno-Di and then FA-06 alone for almost a year...I'll be able to manage the MODX7.

Found a buyer for the FA06, just waiting for him to finalise things. Once that's gone I'm gonna order the MODX7. Between its FM engine and sampled sounds it scratches the itch I've had for a dedicated synth at home (as I go down the rabbit hole of FM synthesis hitt ) and provides a lightweight, powerful single board rig for pickup gigs, which is pretty much all I do these days. Only thing I'll miss about the FA is the ability to loop and hold samples.
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#2976764 - 02/20/19 05:44 PM Re: Yamaha MODX [Re: N4dr0j]
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We all have our preferences/opinions but here's mine.

Was gigging with the MODX8 for over 2 months, and now I'm back to dragging my Montage 8 to gigs.

I'm so over the stiff non-expressive feel of that cheap keybed. IMO it does not feel like a professional instrument and there's very limited expressiveness. The sound itself was good, but it does not sound or feel even close to the Montage. My MODX8 is for sale.

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#2976766 - 02/20/19 06:05 PM Re: Yamaha MODX [Re: echo66]
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I recently sold an FA-06 and I agree that the MODX feels slightly more playable (spent 2 hours with a MODX7 this past weekend).

I haven't played a MODX8, but I have played a Montage 8 and that action is incredible.
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#2977006 - 02/22/19 08:59 AM Re: Yamaha MODX [Re: Bill W]
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I haven't played a MODX8, but I have played a Montage 8 and that action is incredible.


Just played the Montage again this morning - to my hands it is still the best feeling 88 keyboard in the entire store. I really no longer need all that a Montage can do, but I would love love love to get that action in a digital piano.
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#2977015 - 02/22/19 09:41 AM Re: Yamaha MODX [Re: Bobby Simons]
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Just played the Montage again this morning - to my hands it is still the best feeling 88 keyboard in the entire store. I really no longer need all that a Montage can do, but I would love love love to get that action in a digital piano.

I believe the same action was in the S90XS/S70XS, S90ES, S90.
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#2977017 - 02/22/19 09:56 AM Re: Yamaha MODX [Re: AnotherScott]
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The new CP73 uses the Montage action but without the aftertouch support, if I remember correctly, whereas the CP88 uses a graded action. Oh, and I quite agree about the action on the Montage. Lovely compromise between a true piano action and something more broadly useful for other sounds.


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#2977018 - 02/22/19 10:05 AM Re: Yamaha MODX [Re: Lady Gaia]
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The new CP73 uses the Montage action but without the aftertouch support, if I remember correctly

From what I can tell, this has made the rounds like a game of telephone, where a rep said it was similar, to other people reading that and then saying it was the same. As far as I've seen, there is no confirmation about exactly how similar it is to a Montage action beyond both of them being balanced (i.e. non-graded) hammer actions.
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#2977034 - 02/22/19 11:45 AM Re: Yamaha MODX [Re: AnotherScott]
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Originally Posted By: Bobby Simons
Just played the Montage again this morning - to my hands it is still the best feeling 88 keyboard in the entire store. I really no longer need all that a Montage can do, but I would love love love to get that action in a digital piano.

I believe the same action was in the S90XS/S70XS, S90ES, S90.

In other words, currently only in the Montage. I might as well be looking for whatís in my KX88. ;-)
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#2977057 - 02/22/19 02:15 PM Re: Yamaha MODX [Re: Bobby Simons]
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In other words, currently only in the Montage.

Yes, but some of those other boards aren't that old will probably pop up on ebay/reverb with some frequency. Side benefit, they don't weigh as much as a Montage 8!
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#2977067 - 02/22/19 05:00 PM Re: Yamaha MODX [Re: AnotherScott]
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The weight of an instrument is not a consideration to me. Iíve put 3-4 gigs a week in my rear view, 50 years down the road from my first band. I couldnít be less interested in that life anymore.

That said, Iím still interested in a decent action on an 88 board with speakers. On my way out of Guitar Center today I passed by a Yamaha DGX-660 that I was unfamiliar with. It played pretty nicely, the speakers were beefy, it seemed to have a lot going on. I see it described as somewhere between a digital piano and a workstation, which seems accurate. I need to go back (with headphones) and spend more time on it. You can get a full-blown home bundle for under $900. Anyone have an opinion on it?
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#2977070 - 02/22/19 05:22 PM Re: Yamaha MODX [Re: Bobby Simons]
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DGX660 has same kind of action as MODX8 (GHS), though for some reason, in my brief comparison, the DGX660 action felt better. It's an arranger-style board, and lacks MIDI jacks or 1/4" outputs... which doesn't mean it can't be enjoyable to play.
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#2977104 - 02/23/19 12:35 AM Re: Yamaha MODX [Re: AnotherScott]
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Iím falling out of love with the MODX8. The layout of the controls and touch display just make it a cumbersome bottom-tier board, and Iím getting tired of the GHS, too.

Maybe I should get a MODX7 or a Montage 7. Itíd be nice to have aftertouch again after almost three years without.

Not sure what bottom board to get, though. Maybe a CP73 but thatís a bit limited and I am aesthetically OCD, so having the bottom tier board be less wide than the top-tier board would bug me to no end. But a 5 octave top-tier board...I just canít...
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#2977108 - 02/23/19 04:44 AM Re: Yamaha MODX [Re: zephonic]
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Iím falling out of love with the MODX8. The layout of the controls and touch display just make it a cumbersome bottom-tier board, and Iím getting tired of the GHS, too.

Maybe I should get a MODX7 or a Montage 7. Itíd be nice to have aftertouch again after almost three years without.

Not sure what bottom board to get, though. Maybe a CP73 but thatís a bit limited and I am aesthetically OCD, so having the bottom tier board be less wide than the top-tier board would bug me to no end. But a 5 octave top-tier board...I just canít...

Aesthetically and ergonomically, I prefer my bottom boards to be shallow in their control surfaces. I think the deep control panel is part of what makes the MODX8, as you put it, cumbersome on bottom, and I'm not sure a CP73 would be a whole lot better. I'd look at boards like Korg SV1/Grandstage, Casio PX5S/PX560 (PX5S better suited for controlling the Yamaha sounds, if you might want to do that), maybe Kurzweil SP6 (I haven't seen it in the flesh, and I'm not sure how much the angled panel might help). If you want piano on bottom but aren't tied to a hammer action, a Numa Compact 2/2X could be another possibility (and a way to get aftertouch if you go with the MODX7 instead of the Montage 7).

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