Jon Doe Posted August 13, 2005 Share Posted August 13, 2005 I've done it! I spent the whole morning tweaking settings on my V-Combo and have absolutely NAILED my C2. I mean 99.9% NAILED. I know you guys might think I'm nuts, but I swear it's true. Here's my studio setup: http://www.wornfedora.com/phpatm/files/JonDoe/Big-Rig.JPG By tweaking COSM amps, mic distances, leakage, rise/fall times, and rotary speeds, I have my V-Combo tuned so that side by side like this they sound almost identical. I am now absolutely blown away by my Roland's organ sound now. This is something I've promised myself I'd take the time to work out, and now that I've done it I could just kick my own ass for not doing it sooner. No signature required. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_3guy Posted August 13, 2005 Share Posted August 13, 2005 Neato! I have a VK-8. So what are your settings? Steve www.seagullphotodesign.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Doe Posted August 13, 2005 Author Share Posted August 13, 2005 Originally posted by b_3guy: Neato! I have a VK-8. So what are your settings? Tonewheel = Vintage 2 Amp Type = 2 Leakage = 80 <- perfect match for my C2 Rotary spread = 10 for both ------------- WF - TW Rotary Level 127 - 100 <- Max the woofer! Rise Time -- 80 - 100 Fall time -- 82 - 110 Rot Speed SL- 12 - 14 Rot Speed FST 110 - 120 Rotary Mic Distance = 0I'm going stereo to my KC550. Good luck with it. No signature required. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Doe Posted August 13, 2005 Author Share Posted August 13, 2005 This, of course, is with drawbar registrations on both organs set the same. I'm so tickled I could pee. You can't beat having a Hammond sitting right beside you while you tweak this stuff, and being able to stack a KC550 on top of a Leslie is a big plus too. No signature required. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_3guy Posted August 13, 2005 Share Posted August 13, 2005 Thanks a bunch. I'll let you know how I make out! Steve www.seagullphotodesign.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Byrdman Posted August 14, 2005 Share Posted August 14, 2005 Originally posted by Jon Doe: I've done it! I spent the whole morning tweaking settings on my V-Combo and have absolutely NAILED my C2. I mean 99.9% NAILED. I know you guys might think I'm nuts, but I swear it's true. Here's my studio setup: http://www.wornfedora.com/phpatm/files/JonDoe/Big-Rig.JPG By tweaking COSM amps, mic distances, leakage, rise/fall times, and rotary speeds, I have my V-Combo tuned so that side by side like this they sound almost identical. I am now absolutely blown away by my Roland's organ sound now. This is something I've promised myself I'd take the time to work out, and now that I've done it I could just kick my own ass for not doing it sooner. That's really neat. Going to have to try them on my VK8. Anybody have a editor program for this - hacking the VK8 using the interface is not terribly simple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MusicaL Posted August 15, 2005 Share Posted August 15, 2005 John That's wonderful. I am hoping to get my VK-8m soon. I'll be sure to check out your settings... aL PS: You might want to be careful with the halogen lamp being so close to the curtains in that room!!! I'd put it in the corner if I were you. They've been known to set a few rooms on fire.... Gear: Yamaha MODX8, Mojo 61, NS2 73, C. Bechstein baby grand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Immo Posted August 15, 2005 Share Posted August 15, 2005 Is that a keytar on the top tier? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Doe Posted August 16, 2005 Author Share Posted August 16, 2005 Originally posted by Immo: Is that a keytar on the top tier? No. That's a "Freeboard". It's a midi keyboard you strap on similar to an accordian but more horizontal and you're free to move about the stage/room. It's wireless, and has all the synth features but is only practical for righthanded play (unlike the accordian) A keytar is some weird guitar player concept of how accordians work... Read this here thread on the subject ... Actually it's a Roland AX-7 midi controller. In this configuration it does double duty No signature required. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Hughes Posted August 18, 2005 Share Posted August 18, 2005 FWIW, I think it's possible to do this with just about any current clonewheel if you're willing to put the time in. Kudos to you, Byrdman, for actually doing it and bringing to light that it can be done. I think many B-3 heds reject a particular clone because the presets don't sound exactly like the Hammond they own or used to own. I've done the same with a Korg CX-3 and then ported those settings over to a BX-3 sitting at my church. Technical Editor Keyboard Magazine More people pay for Keyboard than any other music-tech magazine. Period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real MC Posted August 19, 2005 Share Posted August 19, 2005 Congrats, I know the feeling. I calibrated my XK-3 to match my old Porta-B which screams. Now I can gig with a much lighter hammond Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Doe Posted August 19, 2005 Author Share Posted August 19, 2005 Yeah, I was amazed to discover that the leakage levels were set to zero and the woofer levels were set less that the tweeter by default. It's like the default setup is a squeaky clean 1975 B3. I've found settings that work great with mono or stereo so I have a lot of flexibility with my setups. No signature required. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Loving Posted August 19, 2005 Share Posted August 19, 2005 RealMc- If you don't mind sharing your settings with us, please do! "Forget it, Jake. It's Chinatown." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Horne Posted August 19, 2005 Share Posted August 19, 2005 Quick, call the police - someone stole the pedals! They just didn't get up and walk away. No guitarists were harmed during the making of this message. In general, harmonic complexity is inversely proportional to the ratio between chording and non-chording instruments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Doe Posted August 19, 2005 Author Share Posted August 19, 2005 Originally posted by daviel: RealMc- If you don't mind sharing your settings with us, please do! Third post in this thread ... No signature required. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Loving Posted August 19, 2005 Share Posted August 19, 2005 Thanks, John Doe, but I meant RealMc. I have an XK3 and I'd like to see how far off I am - I do not have a B3, A100, or other real thing to A/B it with. "Forget it, Jake. It's Chinatown." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrafon Posted August 19, 2005 Share Posted August 19, 2005 Anyone have similar successes with the Electro? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Doe Posted August 19, 2005 Author Share Posted August 19, 2005 Originally posted by Dave Horne: Quick, call the police - someone stole the pedals! They just didn't get up and walk away. I have them for both the Hammond and the V-Combo. I just don't set them up unless I want to use them. I have a PK-5 for the Roland. No signature required. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Doe Posted August 20, 2005 Author Share Posted August 20, 2005 Ok, I'm having too much fun now. Once I figured out just what the params were adjusting everything got amazingly clear. I have now made half a dozen B3 patches that reflect 2 different flavors of the three basic generations of B3. Maybe now I can give the C2 a little rest. I've come to a gestalt-like conclusion. If you're going to buy a clonewheel keyboard, be prepared to do lots of experimentation and have lots of understanding of the real B3. They're selling you the raw tools, it's up to you to pick how you want the beast to sound. I made the same basic mistake that lots of people probably do and expected my V-Combo to sound like "that" B3 sound right out of the box like the Electro does. But now that I've figured this thing out I realize that I can get anyB3 variation out of it. Now I just wish it could do more than 64 patches ...... No signature required. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Doe Posted August 20, 2005 Author Share Posted August 20, 2005 I'm going thru a mixer to a KC550. I got this thing tweaked so that going stereo outs to the KC it sounds like standing next to a 122. When you put on the stereo headphones it sounds just like a 3-mic'ed 122 if you were sitting in the audience. No signature required. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Byrdman Posted August 20, 2005 Share Posted August 20, 2005 Originally posted by Ken Hughes: FWIW, I think it's possible to do this with just about any current clonewheel if you're willing to put the time in. Kudos to you, Byrdman, for actually doing it and bringing to light that it can be done. Not me - its was John Doe who brought this to our attention. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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