KeyMan035 Posted June 5, 2004 Share Posted June 5, 2004 Mike, As I was packing up after a gig last night, it struck me how light my P120 was at 40lbs. Not even close to a "real" grand piano. The P250 does a SLIGHTLY better job at capturing the nuances of weight and mass of a real piano, but still, I'm disappointed. The P90 is, quite frankly, a joke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
p120dUdE Posted June 5, 2004 Share Posted June 5, 2004 Ok..... Weight has no effect on the sound. Your post was kind of pointless. My Gear: Yamaha P120 Professional Stage Piano, Yamaha CS1x Synthesizer, Yamaha MSP5 Monitors, Behringer Eurorack UB802 Mixer Music I Play: Classical, Jazz, Blues, Classic Rock, Rock The Yamaha P120 Pro. Stage Piano is absolutely superb, fantastic, awesome! It rocks! Chris M. West Brook Music Studio, New England USA Yamaha P120 Specialist My Synth Group Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Martin Posted June 5, 2004 Share Posted June 5, 2004 KeyMan35, The P250 is heavier because it has larger speakers and an internal power supply. The weight has no effect on its sound. -Mike Martin Casio Mike Martin Photography Instagram Facebook The Big Picture Photography Forum on Music Player Network The opinions I post here are my own and do not represent the company I work for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve123 Posted June 5, 2004 Share Posted June 5, 2004 I've long known that nothing "captures the nuances of weight and mass of a real piano" like a real piano, especially when moving even the smallest of spinets down a flight of stairs. KeyMan035 you got me ROTFL. Thanks for making my day. Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marino Posted June 6, 2004 Share Posted June 6, 2004 KeyMan - you *are* making fun of us, right?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeyMan035 Posted June 6, 2004 Author Share Posted June 6, 2004 KeyMan - you *are* making fun of us, right?! No, not at all Marino. It's really about keyboard appreciation. It's easy to forget that for a fraction of the weight and price of a "real" grand, we have access to the best sounding digital pianos produced. EVER! We can complain to people like Mike Martin how subtle product imperfections fail to accurately reproduce each and every nuance of a real grand, while failing to appreciate the incredible technology at our fingertips. Keyboard manufacturers are improving upon their products every year. We should offer suggestions, but why not spend most of our time appreciating their products and making music. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superbobus Posted June 6, 2004 Share Posted June 6, 2004 Keyman, I'm glad you're so glad with your P120, but you're sure exaggerating. The best piano samples come from sample libraries in computers, not from the P120. But it's sure a neat thing. I'm happy with mine, but its flightcase cranks up the weight like hell. http://www.bobwijnen.nl Hipness is not a state of mind, it's a fact of life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeyMan035 Posted June 6, 2004 Author Share Posted June 6, 2004 I'm glad you're so glad with your P120, but you're sure exaggerating I didn't state that the 120 is the best digitial piano. I did mean to imply, however, that digital pianos (and of course sample libraries) are better and more realistic today than they have ever been. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
p120dUdE Posted June 6, 2004 Share Posted June 6, 2004 The best piano samples come from sample libraries in computers, not from the P120. I disagree. Software piano's are not great IMO. Sure, some of them are good, but not great. The p120 is absolutely superb. IMO it beats all of the others out there. The clarity and smoothness is superb, and so is the action. It sounds just like a piano. Regards, p120dUdE My Gear: Yamaha P120 Professional Stage Piano, Yamaha CS1x Synthesizer, Yamaha MSP5 Monitors, Behringer Eurorack UB802 Mixer Music I Play: Classical, Jazz, Blues, Classic Rock, Rock The Yamaha P120 Pro. Stage Piano is absolutely superb, fantastic, awesome! It rocks! Chris M. West Brook Music Studio, New England USA Yamaha P120 Specialist My Synth Group Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superbobus Posted June 7, 2004 Share Posted June 7, 2004 Play a note in the bass register, or better play a consonant chord like C, A minor, whatever and hold it for a few seconds. You will hear the sound going into a loop. This is for saving memory. You won't hear this when you're working with great sample libraries, nor will you hear it on a real piano. http://www.bobwijnen.nl Hipness is not a state of mind, it's a fact of life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jazz+ Posted June 7, 2004 Share Posted June 7, 2004 The P120 is one of the best "student" digital pianos. The P250 is the "pro" model with superior clarity and response, but the problem is that the p250 it is darn heavy for many people... so, many gigging keyboardist select the P120 to save their backs, myself included. The day Yamaha comes out with a new model that has piano sounds and a response on par with the P250 and in a 40 pound package, I'm getting one! Find 660 of my jazz piano arrangements of standards for educational purposes and tutorials at www.Patreon.com/HarryLikas Harry was the Technical Editor of Mark Levine's "The Jazz Theory Book" and helped develop "The Jazz Piano Book." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Analogaddict Posted June 7, 2004 Share Posted June 7, 2004 ...or how about a rackmount version? I am very pleased with my current setup, and would not want to add any more keyboards. Unless it were a 76 key (A to C, simply remove the top octave and place an octave switch button on the thing!)weighted action board with the P-250 piano sound, no internal speakers (or speakers that could be removed easily) and extensive MIDI controller capacity. I´d go for that! /J nas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Horne Posted June 7, 2004 Share Posted June 7, 2004 Originally posted by Analogaddict: ...or how about a rackmount version? I am very pleased with my current setup, and would not want to add any more keyboards. Unless it were a 76 key (A to C, simply remove the top octave and place an octave switch button on the thing!)weighted action board with the P-250 piano sound, no internal speakers (or speakers that could be removed easily) and extensive MIDI controller capacity. I´d go for that! /J nasI also would like a rack mount version of the P250. Just for the hell of it, I midied my GranTouch 1 keyboard to my P250 but the response of certain voices didn't respond the same way as the P250's keyboard. I only played a few minutes this way as the midi cable was in my walking area. For example, I played (from the GT1 keyboard) the EP1 (Rhodes) voice and the hard attack part of the sample was difficult to sound; I really had to play very, very hard to hear that attack. I don't know what exactly is going on here, but a rack mount module and a midi controller might not (?) respond the same way as the married couple does. I'm sure there are ways around that, but that might be worth filing away in the back of your head just in case you run into the same thing. No guitarists were harmed during the making of this message. In general, harmonic complexity is inversely proportional to the ratio between chording and non-chording instruments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jazz+ Posted June 7, 2004 Share Posted June 7, 2004 A module would not respond like playing the P250 from its own action. It would be less satisfying. The Yamaha action is an important factor in making the P250 play the way it does. The marriage between the P action and the internal sound engine is key. Find 660 of my jazz piano arrangements of standards for educational purposes and tutorials at www.Patreon.com/HarryLikas Harry was the Technical Editor of Mark Levine's "The Jazz Theory Book" and helped develop "The Jazz Piano Book." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve123 Posted June 7, 2004 Share Posted June 7, 2004 Jazz+ writes: < The Yamaha action is an important factor in making the P250 play the way it does. The marriage between the P action and the internal sound engine is key.>> Definitely true. I consider the ability to adjust the velocity response of any keyboard essential. This can be done by (1) editing the patches velocity layers, (2) changing the velocity curve, or (3) using somthing like a Midisolutions velocity mapper between the controller and module. I have done all three at one time or another and seldom have used a stock piano sound as is. It is clear to me that Yamaha and other manufacturers of digital pianos spend a considerable amount of time trying to get this right. Whether or not they did get it right is up to the consumer who ultimately votes with their wallet. I have no doubt that I could take a weighted controller and drive a "P250 module" satisfactorily, it would just take a lot of tweaking with a Midisolutions mapper. And it would sure be fun to try! Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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