Dr Teeth Posted August 21, 2002 Share Posted August 21, 2002 I realize music biz could be very weird some times. I think this after seeing the thread"Why they dont build a real hammond?". I would like to know your opinion: If vintage gear is so expensive, every body want it, and in this days could be so improved, WHY DOES NOT ANY ONE BUILD THOSE MODELS ANY MORE???? Rebuilding My Self Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slowly Posted August 21, 2002 Share Posted August 21, 2002 Originally posted by LatinMusic: I realize music biz could be very weird some times. I think this after seeing the thread"Why they dont build a real hammond?". I would like to know your opinion: If vintage gear is so expensive, every body want it, and in this days could be so improved, WHY DOES NOT ANY ONE BUILD THOSE MODELS ANY MORE????It`s because we have this newer, faster better mentality. Kcbass "Let It Be!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod S Posted August 21, 2002 Share Posted August 21, 2002 Originally posted by LatinMusic: I realize music biz could be very weird some times. I think this after seeing the thread"Why they dont build a real hammond?". I would like to know your opinion: If vintage gear is so expensive, every body want it, and in this days could be so improved, WHY DOES NOT ANY ONE BUILD THOSE MODELS ANY MORE????There's a couple of factors, IMHO: Analog synths are STILL expensive to build, due the nature of their design. Look how expensive the new modulars are, and synths like the Studio Electronics Omega. I'm not sure how well a $6,000 reissue of a SeqCir Prophet 5 would fare. There's still a market for them, though. If you are a believer that analog sounds better, and unless you're floating in cash your choice is to find a used model. Plus, their design is usually less reliable than a solid state design with chips instead of discrete components. The VAs have been so popular for this reason. Their sound is 'close enough', but they are typically more reliable and cheaper than you're 'true analog'. We can praise the minimoog all we want, but I doubt there's a single user who hasn't had a lot of grief with it in the recent past. The B3 is a slightly different story. Part of the 'sound' is actually flaws and inacurracies in the instrument, due to the manufacturing conditions at the time. With Rhodes becoming more popular again in certain styles, I wouldn't be surprised in seeing a Rhodes reissue. It's not just a matter of rebuilding this instruments, all the tooling costs to make these things really end up jacking the price, and the uncertainty of a market that usually doesn't sell that many units to begin with doesn't encourage a lot of companies. Anyways, my 2 cents. Korg Kronos X73 / ARP Odyssey / Motif ES Rack / Roland D-05 / JP-08 / SE-05 / Jupiter Xm / Novation Mininova / NL2X / Waldorf Pulse II MBP-LOGIC American Deluxe P-Bass, Yamaha RBX760 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coyote Posted August 21, 2002 Share Posted August 21, 2002 It's because we can get 93% of the way there at a fraction of the cost with new technology. And the Hammond is a perfect example of that - even tho many say they'd want it, how many would actually rush out to buy a $20K+, 300lb monster if it were produced? Same w/ the Moog Voyager.... I wonder what the sales figures look like right now I used to think I was Libertarian. Until I saw their platform; now I know I'm no more Libertarian than I am RepubliCrat or neoCON or Liberal or Socialist. This ain't no track meet; this is football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Teeth Posted August 21, 2002 Author Share Posted August 21, 2002 I know we can have much better gear on these day. What I mena is... every body is paying much money for vintage gear, and the more dificult ro find some device, the more expensive it is. So, there are popple buying those things, why not to produce them? Rebuilding My Self Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gus Lozada Posted August 21, 2002 Share Posted August 21, 2002 Another part of this equation are the shortages on electronic components of the original models. Many IC's are not in production (discontinued) now and just can't be replaced with something new without having to re-design the entire circuit. Having Motorola or Texas Instruments running again some old models of their IC's -if possible- would require to run millions of those units, and you to sell -or keep- all of them to justify manufacturing and setting up costs. Músico, Productor, Ingeniero, Tecnólogo Senior Product Manager, América Latina y Caribe - PreSonus at Fender Musical Instruments Company Instagram: guslozada Facebook: Lozada - Música y Tecnología www.guslozada.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peake Posted August 22, 2002 Share Posted August 22, 2002 >Part of the 'sound' is actually flaws and inacurracies in the instrument, due to the manufacturing conditions at the time. Amen. Leave the character IN, don't engineer it OUT. Coyote, Moog has sold through all 600 Signature Edition MiniMoog Voyagers (the one that is more expensive than the regular edition). Give me the ANALOG and no one gets HURT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peake Posted August 22, 2002 Share Posted August 22, 2002 A few stores have worked out distribution with Moog regarding Signature Editions; Synthony in Arizona are one. They posted four for sale a week ago, and two were snatched up immediately. I don't know if the others are still available. http://www.moogmusic.com/cgi-local/SoftCart.100.exe/products.html?L+scstore+zjfb0279ff607760+1032432625 Give me the ANALOG and no one gets HURT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superbobus Posted August 22, 2002 Share Posted August 22, 2002 I wonder if it makes sense to build exactly that same Rhodes/Hammond/analog again. Especially because of the weight and unreliable parts (I knew this guy with a micromoog cursing and swearing before every gig and five seconds before countdown it was always: "it's working!"). Probably because of lighter and more reliable stuff the market for "new vintage" will be too small and I wonder if a lighter Rhodes would sound the same as a '71 suitcase. I really wish there would be some manufacturers for parts though. http://www.bobwijnen.nl Hipness is not a state of mind, it's a fact of life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Synthguy Posted August 23, 2002 Share Posted August 23, 2002 There is another aspect to this, at least on the synth side. I imagine the instrument makers are leary of producing any more analog beasties because the VAs are getting better with each incarnation. Plus they have so many darn cool features because software allows you to configure the thing with as many oscillator, filter and whatever types they can program in, and with a software upgrade over the net, you can add even more! There will always be a market for real analog synths, pianos, organs and whatnot because some people have to have that extra bit of realism in their sound. But between the few units being made these days like the Andromeda, Voyager, some patchable synths that sound pretty sweet and others, along with the sizeable used market that may never be depleted, there won't be many new instruments to hit the market. And really it is a little sad to think that the instruments that used to be hand made like violins have been replaced by a bunch of computers. Oh well, they are really nice computers. And when I get the bucks, someday I'll get something with real electronics in its guts. But with MIDI if you please. This keyboard solo has obviously been tampered with! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlito Posted August 23, 2002 Share Posted August 23, 2002 Why we don't have NEW vintage gear? Because we don't really need them anymore. It's just a matter of time until people realize VAs are more reliable and sound better than those dinosaurs.If you've owned one for let's say 15 years, of course you got attached to it. And I bet it brings you a lot of memories. Good and Bad.Just like a marriage. You should stay together until the end of times. If I lost my lady now, don't you think I would look for a much younger one? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Teeth Posted August 23, 2002 Author Share Posted August 23, 2002 Originally posted by GusTraX: Another part of this equation are the shortages on electronic components of the original models. Many IC's are not in production (discontinued) now and just can't be replaced with something new without having to re-design the entire circuit. Having Motorola or Texas Instruments running again some old models of their IC's -if possible- would require to run millions of those units, and you to sell -or keep- all of them to justify manufacturing and setting up costs.I was looking for something like this. "We dont need it any more" could not be the answer, because peopple are buying vintage gear at very expensive prices! Rebuilding My Self Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meriphew_dup1 Posted August 23, 2002 Share Posted August 23, 2002 I would love to see Roland reissue the Jupiter 8. www.meriphew.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peake Posted August 24, 2002 Share Posted August 24, 2002 >It's just a matter of time until people realize VAs are more reliable and sound better than those dinosaurs. Um, they're different and not cross-compatable. Reliable, sure, but nothing sounds like my old synths (and new analog as well). Can you hear the difference? There was a very short "test" on TGS in which a VA and a Real Analog (RA henceforth) were programmed to be as similar as possible. More tests will be forthcoming, but of course the best "test" is to use any piece of gear in your own music, and to judge from there. VA sounds differerent, and it is a good sound in it's own right, but to my ears it is not the same and cannot replace the technology that it mimics. Especially when you get to the big modulars, old and new. My post: link title The answers: link title 3 out of 4, on instruments I don't even own and know through use. A forum expert who had owned the RA in question got all 4 correct. Give me the ANALOG and no one gets HURT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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