30% Off Sound Sale @ Sonikmatter !

[Brujo_SoniKman]

To all the members of the Musicplayer forums.

 

You are invited to take part in Sonikmatter's inaugural sound sale!

 

Using our industry contacts we have managed to secure a massive 30% discount

off sample disks from manufacturers such as:

 

Sonic Implants

Pyramid Sound

Big Fish Audio

AMG

Power FX

Sweetwater

Boulder Sounds

Sound Subs

Soundengine.com

 

These specials are available to customers who purchase titles by these

manufacturers through Sonikmatter, and will be available at the discount

price for a short time only, so pop over to http://sonikmatter.com to take

advantage of this offer.

 

Sonikmatter is an online community focusing on professional music making and

music technology. Aside from our popular bulletin boards Sonikmatter also

features reviews of the latest products, interviews with key industry

personnel, tutorials and free soundware.

 

Membership is free, so come over and meet the crowd.

 

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Rick 'Brujo' Wishart http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/cool.gif

[Robert Smedberg]

Here we go again!

 

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--Smedis,--

[steadyb]

Are these "Live" or "Memorex"???

[Tedster]

Ready, Pythoneers?

 

Viking helmets...check...

 

A one, and a two, and...

[Dave Bryce]

Hi, Rick...

 

Thank you for taking the time to post to our forum.

 

If you had joined before spamming us, you would know that we prefer not to have any kind of advertising and/or marketing here - we like to try and keep it a spam-free zone. Consequently, the links to your web site have been edited and/or removed.

 

If you would care to join us as an actual member you are more than welcome to do so, and we would be happy to have you respond on the part of your company when someone asks for specific info - however, we request that you do not use our forum for free advertising.

 

If you would care to place an ad at the MPN site, please feel free to contact Joe McDonough at jmcdonough@musicplayer.com.

 

Thank you for understanding and respecting our policy.

 

This thread will self destruct in 24 hours. http://www.contrabandent.com/pez1/otn/violent/cooked.gif

 

dB

[Rod S]

Making fun of spammers is fun when a company is trying to spam the forum with offers (such as our recent events). Sonikmatter AFAIK is a not for profit community of kurzweil users. It's actually a really good site and it's possible that they were able to work out the discount without a profit for them, again AFAIK.

 

HOWEVER, Dave is right, we have agreed in the past that this type of posting is not acceptable. I just think we can state the point of the forum (Like Dave did) without resorting to flaming the person. I think this just alienates people who may be further contributors to the site. I am being anal, but I have seen this site grow to something pretty terrific, and this type of attitude just doesn't seem to get us anywhere. Maybe we should have a link on the page with a 'terms of posting'. This type of posting is acceptable in a lot of other forums, and I think is fair to expect that we will get this from time to time, and we should respond accordingly.

 

Anyways, this is all I have to say. I'm putting my flame suit on just in case. Just my opinion....

[Dave Bryce]

Making fun of spammers is fun when a company is trying to spam the forum with offers (such as our recent events). Sonikmatter AFAIK is a not for profit community of kurzweil users.

 

I dunno, Rod - while that may have been the case at one point, this may have changed...they used the words "sale" and "customers"...these words frequently indicate that there may be profit involved.

 

It's actually a really good site and it's possible that they were able to work out the discount without a profit for them, again AFAIK.

 

While I am open to the possibility that I may be misinterpreting things here, I'm sure that you will understand if I am slightly skeptical about this aspect of their web site being purely altruistic...

 

dB

[Rod S]

Originally posted by Dave Bryce:

While I am open to the possibility that I may be misinterpreting things here, I'm sure that you will understand if I am slightly skeptical about this aspect of their web site being purely altruistic...

 

dB

 

Dave, your skepticism is more than valid. My comment is more directed at everyone else than at you, and just my opinion. My point is I find it a bit immature to jump with insults when they don't comply to forum rules; I think a simple comment will do. If I joined this forum, hadn't seen previous mention about this, and had posted something that I figured would be useful (as happens quite often in other forums), and got spammed, I would think people here are a bunch of loosers, similar to other forums I know which are plagued by a bunch of spamming and insulting morons (the reason why I don't frequent other forums anymore). Again, my point is we have nothing to gain from silly jokes and comments directed to someone who's not familiar with the forum (and may not understand the joke directed at him/her) and who may in the future be able to contribute.

 

One example : The KurzList (yahoogroups) frequently gets offers from pyramid sounds about deals, and people there appreciate it. It is reasonable that people would expect this is acceptable; and we should make it clear what the policy is here. It's great that we are able to joke amongst ourselves, and this forum is one of my comic reliefs of the day. But I see a lot of people who contribute a lot who have been here for 8 months and for 1 month, and people should be treated with respect from the minute they step here.

 

I don't know who this guy is, but the site does provide useful information to kurz users, and he has posted his own patches free on the web, and AFAIK has not sold them. I think we can at least give someone the benefit of the doubt in these types of issues. If they are getting commission or whatever on this, it is still the fact that people should be treated with respect when their intentions are spelled out.

 

This is what I'm getting at: Craig's forum. When newcomes come and post their tunes to check out, do they get spammed? No, Craig locks the thread and informs of the forum's policy that this type of request goes thru the specific thread.

[Robert Smedberg]

Originally posted by Rod CA:

This is what I'm getting at: Craig's forum. When newcomes come and post their tunes to check out, do they get spammed? No, Craig locks the thread and informs of the forum's policy that this type of request goes thru the specific thread.

 

This topic was also on SSS but Craig didn't lock it, he deleted it.

And I don't think that this person has any need or interest to hang in this "corner" when he actually have his own site/forum to take care of.

He told us to come to "his" forum and check it out and that is something that I don't like.

 

It's like someone steps into your bands rehearsal room and trying to get some of your bandmates to play with him instead. http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/mad.gif

 

Anyhow, it's a good site.

 

 

 

 

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[Brujo_SoniKman]

Hi Dave,

 

 

Thanks for your gentlemanly reply about my Sonikmatter posting and further clarifying the posting rules on this board. http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/smile.gif

 

 

Sincerely,

 

Rick 'Brujo' Wishart http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/cool.gif

 

This message has been edited by Brujo_SoniKman on 09-05-2001 at 06:36 PM

[clifyt]

Thanks Dave for informing us about this.

 

I just wanted to clarify things. I am a cofounder of Sonikmatter, sop I thought I'd appologize for Ricks response.

 

I'm sure that Rick was under the mistaken impression that as Craig Anderton actually came to our site first directing folks to your content that we could do reciprocate. We get a lot of hits from the MFI guys and a lot of ya'll are members, so it was our understanding that ya'll were cool with sonikmatter and our philosophy.

 

I'm sorry if you thought we were spamming ya anymore than any of your people directing them to your content.

 

As for a little insight into our site, yes, we use the words customer. Running a community you should always consider the folks on the other side customers...regardless of whether ya want to sell them something or not. We are NOT making money from this sale. Folks are ALWAYS complaining about the high price of soundware and we wanted to do an experiment with our friends on both sides of the line.

 

As for being a business, give me a break http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/smile.gif We are a bunch of guys that want to share and help much like you guys are doing...but without having to hawk magazines and run banner ads to keep the site running. Our site is user supported and you will never see a banner advertisement there...just ain't going to happen. Ya'll run a biz so I expect these things. With Sonik, ya NEVER have to worry about us being biased because we are worried about loosing advertising dollars.

 

Anywho, communities are communities. Ya'll have a pretty cool community here. Its a lot bigger and less personal, but cool. I read through these boards on occasion, but like yourselves, I don't post as I'm too busy taking care of our own.

 

Again, this is an apology for the misunderstanding. If ya'll still want to point to cool stuff on your site on occasion on Sonik, you won't get any complaints as long as its in the appropriate areas and its not overly hyped. I welcome Craig Anterton and Jim Aiken to post more over in our area...its always good to have more experts visit http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/smile.gif

 

clif marsiglio

http://spam.to (I believe thats our new url here)

[Dave Bryce]

Originally posted by clifyt:

http://spam.to (I believe thats our new url here)

 

http://www.contrabandent.com/pez1/otn/laughing/yelrotflmao.gif

 

Too funny, Cliff...

 

I can't tell you how much I appreciate the both of you taking the time to come over and clear things up.

 

The reason that you may have encountered a bit of...shall we say...resistance over here is that we just went through what can only be described as a pretty major ordeal with a sample vendor, and it has certainly left some pretty sore wounds.

 

Check it out if you wanna see what happened - be warned - it ain't pretty...

 

As a former Kurzweil employee, demonstrator, defender of the faith and enthusiast dating back to the K250, I welcome both of you happily to our community and request that you visit us more often, and will be delighted to come and spend more time on your site as well. My only request is that you please not post any specials or sales stuff over here - other than that, I encourage you both to represent yourselves as being involved with Sonikmatter, as I believe that your presence will add value to our forum.

 

As you have taken the time and effort to clarify your position, this thread will not self-destruct, and your URL has been restored. http://www.ukobservers.net/cwm/otn/wink/thumb.gif

 

Once again, I really appreciate your candor. Thank you kindly, and my apologies for any misunderstandings on our behalf.

 

dB

[marino]

Dave,

I'm a longtime member of Sonikmatter (as well as a member here of course), and while I understand that this thread will be deleted eventually, I would like to testify the correctness and hard work of the admins and founders of that site. It's one of the best sites for synth players, surely the best for Kurzweil users.

Regarding the topic of their "offer", while I wasn't there to see it with my own eyes, I'm sure as hell these guys aren't making a dime on this deal. They have an history of offering their services and time for free. Maybe, if they stated this clearly on the original post, you wouldn't have felt it was spamming.

What they did is, to my understanding, to work with a few soundware companies to ensure a big discount on some products, especially (but not only) Kurzweil stuff. *Without* making a profit at it. Does that still qualify as spamming? The choice is yours, of course. I agree that the first post had a bit of an *ad* vibe, however.

 

marino

 

P.S. - I'n NOT associated with Sonikmatter in any way, other than posting there sometimes. Only, since I've been following and knowing them since they started, I am simply trying, in my broken English, to clear possible misunderstandings.

[marino]

Dave - damn

If you'd only wrote your post a few minutes before, you would have spared me to write mine... It's 5.30 AM here!!!

Yes - you don't imagine the hours I make sometimes to read the forum http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/smile.gif

Anyway - http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/smile.gifhttp://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/smile.gifhttp://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/smile.gif

[Dave Bryce]

Thanks, Carlo...look at the post above yours. I was already with you, mio fratello...

 

Ringraziarlo per aggiungere la sua voce - lei sa porta il peso con me. http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/wink.gif

 

(Hice esto con un programa de la traducción que sólo va una manera - tan por favor no responde en el italiano...I no será capaz de entenderlo. )

 

dB

[Gus Lozada]

Originally posted by Rod CA:

... similar to other forums I know which are plagued by a bunch of spamming and insulting morons (the reason why I don't frequent other forums anymore).

 

 

Oh man... Rod... is that the reason why you simply left us? http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/frown.gif

We have changed a lot lately... I swear...

 

 

 

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Gus Lozada

 

Moderador de:

MusicPlayer.com/NuestroForo

"La voz en Español en Música y Tecnología"

 

Gus TraX @musicplayer.com

[Dave Bryce]

Originally posted by marino:

Dave - damn

If you'd only wrote your post a few minutes before, you would have spared me to write mine... It's 5.30 AM here!!!

 

Yes, but your second one beat my second one by a few minutes, so we're even! http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

 

dB

[marino]

Originally posted by Dave Bryce:

Ringraziarlo per aggiungere la sua voce - lei sa porta il peso con me. http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/wink.gif

dB

 

????????????????????????????????????????????????

Dave, my friend, thanks - I'm pretty sure you meant something good here (or at least I hope so) but it just doesn't make sense - it sounds like some avant-garde poem... http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

So please, I'm curious - if you're still online - I am here for about ten more minutes before crashing on the bed - only this time stick with English please - translation programs are no good - Anyway I'm going to save this line on my hardisk, it's too funny!!! http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

[marino]

OK I go... Maybe tomorrow.

Goodnight everyone!

[Rod S]

Originally posted by GusTraX:

Oh man... Rod... is that the reason why you simply left us? http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/frown.gif

We have changed a lot lately... I swear...

 

 

No no no.. I really enjoy the forum. The problem is although I have no trouble reading, I really have to focus to write correctly in spanish. So I am a lurker... http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/smile.gif I've always enjoyed your forum, and I think you're doing a terrific job. I thought the 'lo es cañero!' thread was pretty interesting... I am surprised we haven't had a similar thread in the other forums. Yours is probably one of the least guilty of going off-topic...

 

I will try to practice my spanish a little more.. if you guys will put up with the grammatical errors!

[mwisniewski]

Dave,

 

The link's not working correctly, it's missing the .com at the end.

[Dave Bryce]

Originally posted by marino:

????????????????????????????????????????????????

Dave, my friend, thanks - I'm pretty sure you meant something good here (or at least I hope so) but it just doesn't make sense - it sounds like some avant-garde poem... http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

So please, I'm curious - if you're still online - I am here for about ten more minutes before crashing on the bed - only this time stick with English please - translation programs are no good - Anyway I'm going to save this line on my hardisk, it's too funny!!! http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

 

Oh, well - I tried... http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/wink.gif

 

The original line was: Thanks for adding your voice - you know that it carries weight with me...

 

I always wanted to try those translation programs - perhaps I'd beter just stick with English and French,

 

Domo arigato gozaimas, Marino-san!

 

dB

[Dave Bryce]

Originally posted by mwisniewski:

The link's not working correctly, it's missing the .com at the end.

 

The link that I restored is in the first post at the top of the page, and it seems to work fine. I'm not touching the one in Cliff's post - it's too funny.

 

dB

[Anderton]

<< This topic was also on SSS but Craig didn't lock it, he deleted it.>>

 

FYI...this is because I *do* know the Sonikmatter people are okay, but not everyone else does, and the spam patrol was already loading the cannons. Rather than subject Sonikmatter to getting shot at, I figured it was best to delete the thread and send a private email to them later. But since the subject was brought up here, I figured I'd comment here.

 

As frequenters of my forum know, when I do run something that's ad-like, I always preface it with my personal comments saying that the message has been posted either because I was contacted in advance and gave permission, or I took my own initiative in posting it (e.g., when a company offers free software or something like that). That way people know the company went through proper channels rather than being disrespectful of the wishes of the people in the forum.

 

My personal email to Sonikmatter would have said exactly what Dave said -- invite people over to check out the site and feel free to tell them why, just don't pitch any products. This is not only out of respect to the forum members, who have made it clear they don't want advertising (with rare exceptions) in a forum, but also the advertisers who make this site possible by supporting it with paid advertising.

 

<< I'm sure that Rick was under the mistaken impression that as Craig Anderton actually came to our site first directing folks to your content that we could do reciprocate. >>

 

With all due respect, I think that's a questionable representation. I can only recall posting on the Sonikmatter site once, and that was as the fourth message in a thread about the Battery online seminar (a thread which I did not initiate, and posted in only after it was brought to my attention). As all the comments were valuable feedback (we're new to this online seminar thing), I asked for any feedback on other seminars on the site, and gave the URL where people could find the site. I allow similar requests in SSS, and in that sense, you are certainly welcome to reciprocate. For example, a message telling people about the type of support you offer for Kurzweil gear and your URL would have certainly been left up, as I would consider it making people aware of a valuable resource.

 

I hope this clears things up. Deletions in SSS are always handled on a case-by-case basis, and involve judgement calls.