djarrett Posted August 23, 2001 Share Posted August 23, 2001 We ... as drummers, notice things that others might not. I know for me ... I am especially atuned to the cymbals in a song. I remember (and loved) the ride cymbal Steve Smith used in Journey on Don't Stop Believing! I actually gauged my ride cymbal choice based on that sound! What is your favorite *CYMBAL* song of all time? DJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrummerCafe Posted August 23, 2001 Share Posted August 23, 2001 I can't pick a song, but I can an artist. Danny Gotlieb's ride on any Pat Metheny of the ECM Record label. ------------------ Bart Elliott http://bartelliott.com Drummer Cafe - community drum & percussion forum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaddabout Posted August 23, 2001 Share Posted August 23, 2001 DJ, you are a certified drum geek with this topic, and so are all of us who respond to it. I'm with you on the Steve Smith cymbal sound. I never even thought about what a ride cymbal was supposed to sound like until I heard "Faithfully." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ian1642605905 Posted August 23, 2001 Share Posted August 23, 2001 Far beit for me to risk being a drum geek,but I was really impressed with Judas Priests drummers use of cymbals in his live solo! ian* ian* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
serpico3 Posted August 23, 2001 Share Posted August 23, 2001 I guess I'm the only Die Hard Jazz Cat Here , My choice is Monty Alexanders last two Albums. Also ED Thigpen on Oscar Petersons West Side story.......serpico3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmichael Posted August 23, 2001 Share Posted August 23, 2001 For me it would be "Requiem" on King Crimson's "Beat". Bruford's flat-top ride had me running to the store to buy one immediately! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaddabout Posted August 23, 2001 Share Posted August 23, 2001 Originally posted by serpico3: I guess I'm the only Die Hard Jazz Cat Here , My choice is Monty Alexanders last two Albums. Also ED Thigpen on Oscar Petersons West Side story. Hey Serp, I thought Die Hard Jazz Cats were only allowed to talk about Tony Williams' ride sound. I'm surprised no one has mentioned Steve Gadd. Perhaps so much emphasis is placed on the warmth of his drums, no one thinks about his cymbal sound. Or maybe his sound's not distinct. But if we're talking about cool use of cymbals, Gadd's pretty famous for that, right up there with Danny Gottlieb. I like how he uses his cymbals on ballads, playing some sixteenth-note deal between a ride and a crash, while splashing his hi-hats using his left foot. I've certainly stole all those tricks from him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve LeBlanc Posted August 23, 2001 Share Posted August 23, 2001 Not as much for sound but just really cool Ride parts at a time when you didn't hear much of it: Mitch Mitchell - "Freedom" - Isle of White show. Alex Van Halen - "Runnin with the Devil" on the guitar break he just has a fantastic groove going on the ride. http://www.youtube.com/notesleb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Flier Posted August 23, 2001 Share Posted August 23, 2001 You guys aren't drum geeks, you're just cymbal minded! http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/biggrin.gif (sorry, our drummer says that all the time so I thought I'd torture someone ELSE with it for a change!) --Lee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rader Ranch Posted August 23, 2001 Share Posted August 23, 2001 if you're gonna talk Bill Bruford w/King Crimson, you gotta mention the broken cymbal he saved from the trash can and used extensively on Red. another song that stood out from the 1st listen for me was James Gang The Bomber. i love the way the drummer (sure wish i could remember his name) built the groove with different cymbal tones in the slide solo section (but lord do the toms sound bad on that song). as a meaningless aside, i prefer the version on the greatest hits album. i hated it the 1st time i heard the extended 'bolero' part...cheesy. and i reckon the Beatles (via Ringo,Sir George Martin et. al.) should get an honorable mention for starting (?) perfecting (!) the ride-cymbal-as-crash (or is that backwards?)-ducked-by-the-kick/snare-sound....still really love that sometimes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidereal Posted August 23, 2001 Share Posted August 23, 2001 hahahahaha popmusic.... I'm probably the only other one who got that! ...being a PG fan and all. http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/smile.gif I bet I could pull off that cymbal work no problem. In fact I'm doing it right now! I second Bart's vote of Danny Gottlieb's ride with Pat Metheny. Listen to the Offramp album. It's funny, Danny always seemed more of a rock drummer more than a jazz drummer to me. Others: Terry Bozzio's fast, sandwiched chinas during the late 80s, Manu Katche's splashes on Tears For Fears' Sowing the Seeds..., and we can't go without mentioning Stewart Copeland's hi-hats from Regatta De Blanc onward. Just for the record. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sign Posted August 23, 2001 Share Posted August 23, 2001 Judy Tzuke 'Stay with me till dawn' The alchemy of the masters moving molecules of air, we capture by moving particles of iron, so that the poetry of the ancients will echo into the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rlhubley Posted August 23, 2001 Share Posted August 23, 2001 Vinnie on Ten Summoner's Tales. All the tunes are great, but the ones that the cymbal work stands out are Seven Days(the whole song, but especially the drum solo at the end, which starts at 3:55, and there is a transcription in ModernDrummer from sometime in the last 9 months i think) and St. Augustine in Hell, this is a great example of over the barline in an odd meter(7/8) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaddabout Posted August 23, 2001 Share Posted August 23, 2001 Originally posted by rlhubley: Vinnie on Ten Summoner's Tales. You are so right! Seven Days is amazing, particularly when he doubles the time in the lost verse. That whole thing drives, then it just goes :: http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/tongue.gifow::: like a rocket. All the same, I think Vinnie should've paid Stewart Copeland some sort of residual for stealing his signature hi-hat work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidereal Posted August 23, 2001 Share Posted August 23, 2001 Originally posted by Gaddabout: I think Vinnie should've paid Stewart Copeland some sort of residual for stealing his signature hi-hat work. I take issue with that. I seriously doubt Stewart ripped of Vinnie's hi-hat technique. Just for the record. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaddabout Posted August 24, 2001 Share Posted August 24, 2001 Originally posted by sidereal: I take issue with that. I seriously doubt Stewart ripped of Vinnie's hi-hat technique. You read it wrong. Read it again. I was suggesting the opposite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidereal Posted August 24, 2001 Share Posted August 24, 2001 Right! I love it when my dyslexia kicks in. Just for the record. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djarrett Posted August 24, 2001 Author Share Posted August 24, 2001 Hey, I take a pleasant issue with that entire comment. Above personal creativity, borrowing is a great thing! See the new thread: http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/Forum6/HTML/000401.html DJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
felix stein Posted August 24, 2001 Share Posted August 24, 2001 Ian, I really liked Simon Phillips cymbal playing on J.P.'s Sin after Sin...the way he would make the high hat breath with graduated dynamics...awesome. Uriny------YUK Don't stop believing DJ....LOL What about for crashes? Lots of nice ride selections posted. Nicko McBrain and his Paistes...Rhyme of the Ancient Mariner-Powerslave...great crash sounds...phenomenal for what it is. felix's band Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djarrett Posted August 25, 2001 Author Share Posted August 25, 2001 Hey, Felix: You know ... when we were growing up in my era ... you listened to alot of FM radio. Journey was one of those power ballad groups! I will give you a few more that I really used to dig the cymbals on ... REO Speedwagon!, Electric Light Orchestra, Elton John, Dobie Brothers, STIX, Queen ... should I go on? As a drummer, I specifically listened for the cymbal work and cymbal choices used for these drummers. As a musician, I appreciated and listened to just about every musical style that was out there. I have really never boxed myself into a musical style that caused me to shun other genres. As far as crashes, listen to Vinnie's cymbals on Stings brand new day album. I am actually more of a splash lover myself. Nothing better than a great 10" or 8" splash that adds the right adjective to a musical statement! DJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidereal Posted August 25, 2001 Share Posted August 25, 2001 If you're talking crashes, c'mon! John Bonham's Paistes on LZ4. Just for the record. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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