ian1642605905 Posted July 9, 2001 Share Posted July 9, 2001 Top seller? Where? Japan? Bart I am not dragging this out but the reason we felt it necessary to mention Tama artists and to defend Tama because you did bash them.I realize that any manufacturer that builds a pro line kit will have features in that kit that are worthy enough for these pro drummers to play them.We all choose our drums by selecting the sound and features that we like.I don't want to bash your personal preference.I think there is a difference in stating likes or dislikes about a manufacturer and bashing not only the drums but the artists that use them as well. ian* ian* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrummerCafe Posted July 9, 2001 Share Posted July 9, 2001 I see your point ... and this will be the last time I address this topic. What you call bashing is not what I call bashing. As I have stated (now for the third time I believe), I did NOT attack artists or the drums. If you would PLEASE read my post carefully, you will notice that I talked MY feelings. I never said in anyway that Tama sucked or the artists who play them suck. I absolutely never said that OR hinted at it. I addressed your (and others) comments that the Tama Rockstar was a "top seller" and that it got "great reviews". I addressed my not caring for any of the drummers who play Tama ... thus negating their influence to ME if I was looking to buy a kit. I EVEN went as far as to put a disclaimer which stated that these were MY opinions and MINE alone. I knew it would ruffle some feathers. My feathers were ruffled and that's why I said what I did. Again, this is the last time I'm going to post on this. If you all need to have the last word on it or feel like you need to express yourselves further ... I won't be coming back to read it. Having to explain myself over and over again is frustrating, especially when I put a lot of time and thought into my posts. I feel like my words are as concise as I can make them. I've apologized to everyone who was "offended" by my comments. I've now taken time (again) to clarify what I meant. Please accept my apology and let's move on ... I know I am. Peace, Bart Drummer Cafe - community drum & percussion forum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Flier Posted July 9, 2001 Share Posted July 9, 2001 Hmm. Well, Stan Lynch is a friend of mine for over 20 years (and some of you remember that I interviewed him for musicplayer.com), and he has been playing Tama the whole time, and I can tell you that no matter what kind of endorsements they offered him he would not have played them if he didn't think they kicked ass over everything else. He spent a lot of time comparing, too - different drums, heads, etc. Tama also was the first company to make hardware that Stan couldn't destroy. http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/biggrin.gif He was always very impressed with the company and he is very picky about such things, not to mention very vocal if he feels that something sucks, regardless of who he will piss off by saying so. So whatever you might think about anybody else's reviews or endorsements, I can certainly vouch for the fact that Stan's favorable opinion is honest, for whatever that's worth. Not to mention, his drums always sound great. That's worth a lot. http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/smile.gif Me, I have a Gretsch kit, and I don't know from Sonor. http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/biggrin.gif Hey ian! You're a drummer AND a horticulturist??? DAMN, too bad you're married! http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/wink.gif --Lee This message has been edited by Lee Flier on 07-08-2001 at 11:40 PM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ian1642605905 Posted July 9, 2001 Share Posted July 9, 2001 Gee...Shucks...Gosh...I...I...I don't know what to say! ian* ian* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
felix stein Posted July 9, 2001 Share Posted July 9, 2001 No Bart, don't take a hike- I like your posts very much for whatever that is worth. felix's band Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djarrett Posted July 9, 2001 Share Posted July 9, 2001 Hey, Bart: Felix was saying that he loves to see you cut loose on a subject. It *IS* obvious that you put a lot of heart and feeling into you thoughts posted here. I understand what you were trying to say regarding TAMA vs ? I think you comment could have been more general in nature and would have made less ripple in the pond ... so to speak. (in that you could really substitute any drum company in the place of TAMA, because what you said holds true for every company. Hey, Lee: Well at least we know what you are looking for in a man! We are going to get you hitched to a tree loving drummer if it kills us trying! DJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Flier Posted July 9, 2001 Share Posted July 9, 2001 LOL Dendy... well thanks for keeping an eye open for me! http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/biggrin.gif Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
felix stein Posted July 10, 2001 Share Posted July 10, 2001 Tree loving drummer? Oxymoron for sure. Tree shredding drummer maybe LOL. felix's band Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ian1642605905 Posted July 10, 2001 Share Posted July 10, 2001 felix, In what context did you assertain that I am an oxymoron.Please respond in complete sentences! :ian* ian* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
felix stein Posted July 11, 2001 Share Posted July 11, 2001 Thanks, but I am from the E.E. Cummings school of sentence structure. I just find it funny that most drummers love wood but shred the hell out of sticks and bash wooden cylinders half their lives-hence the oxymoron. Dude, I'm not out to rag on anyone; once you get to know me you will find I'm a cool cat. You know as well as I that these posts get misinterpreted all the time. I take them all with a grain of salt. felix's band Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djarrett Posted July 11, 2001 Share Posted July 11, 2001 Hey, ian* Felix is harmless! He has a dark sense of humor that you will grow to love. If anyone on the site were to insight a riot ... I know that I can always trace it back to Felix! What Felix ... and perhaps you do not realize ... is that big stick companies (like ProMark and Vic Firth) are now foresting their own timber. They have acquired and rotate their own crops of wood stock. They have become very environmentally friendly in the process. It makes sense that once you get to this level to be responsible with your resources. The exposure (if you did not) would be too high! LOL, DJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ian1642605905 Posted July 11, 2001 Share Posted July 11, 2001 Felix, Sorry I was still in defensive mode! Hey I guess I am an oxymoron!I have turned a few pairs of hickory sticks into kindling!And at the same time I nurtured my precious 'acer japonica' You're so right in saying posts get misinterpreted.It's a bit frustrating!I have made points that were rebutted with the same point only worded differently.I want to get along.I guess we all come from different backgrounds and some of us expect controversy so we're always ready to pounce!I'll "try" to control myself,but I do love the debate. peace: ian* ian* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Flier Posted July 11, 2001 Share Posted July 11, 2001 DJ, I didn't know that. That is wonderful news, and reflects my opinion that musicians and artists are usually the more forward thinking people even in the corporate world. So maybe there are more tree loving drummers than I realized? http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/biggrin.gif --Lee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ian1642605905 Posted July 11, 2001 Share Posted July 11, 2001 Sorry I guess I was still in defensive mode!You're right about how posts are misinterpreted it's easy to do with the limited context! peace! ian* ian* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrummerCafe Posted July 11, 2001 Share Posted July 11, 2001 I love flora & fauna, recycle everything and try to preserve the land that is on loan to us all ... but I don't consider myself a "tree hugger". Hey, I even have a watergarden in my backyard! LOL http://bartelliott.com/watergarden/ ------------------ Bart Elliott http://bartelliott.com Drummer Cafe - community drum & percussion forum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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