Graham English Posted April 11, 2001 Share Posted April 11, 2001 We all love "When the Levy Breaks", now don't we? How about naming some other classic drum recordings. Do you like your hi hat panned left or right? Do you like your kit panned wide or tight? Mixed clean or distorted? Compressed or natural? http://www.ihs4ever.com/~cwm/otn/other/popworm.gif ++ Graham English ++ Ear Training, Songwriting Tips, and Music Theory Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham English Posted April 11, 2001 Author Share Posted April 11, 2001 Originally posted by transrational: We all love "When the Levy Breaks", now don't we? How about naming some other classic drum recordings. Do you like your hi hat panned left or right? Do you like your kit panned wide or tight? Mixed clean or distorted? Compressed or natural? http://www.ihs4ever.com/~cwm/otn/other/popworm.gif ++ Graham English ++ Ear Training, Songwriting Tips, and Music Theory Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham English Posted April 11, 2001 Author Share Posted April 11, 2001 Oops, don't mind me http://cwm.ragesofsanity.com/otn/other/11doh.gif I'm just a keyboard player http://cwm.ragesofsanity.com/otn/funny/kloguck.gif ++ Graham English ++ Ear Training, Songwriting Tips, and Music Theory Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Bear Sound Posted April 11, 2001 Share Posted April 11, 2001 The drums on Steely Dan's "Peg"...... and any song from Zappa's "Joe's Garage" Bruce Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tedster Posted April 12, 2001 Share Posted April 12, 2001 I was listening to Tom Petty's Greatest Hits...and was amazed at the presence the set had. Lee, next time you talk to Stan...delve into that a little bit more, wouldja? "Cisco Kid, was a friend of mine" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
felix stein Posted April 12, 2001 Share Posted April 12, 2001 I'm not a huge vinnie fan but Joe's Garage is just downright beautiful drumming. One of my all time favs as well. I need to put that in my CD player again. I like to pan my stuff wide but not all the way since I only have a 5 piece. I'm into displacement of voices/linear stuff so it makes for thick fills. Same with the over heads. I move the snare, kick and high hats just tiny bits off center depending on how everything else sits in the mix. felix's band Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2 Pistol Posted April 12, 2001 Share Posted April 12, 2001 AC/DC Highway to Hell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Flier Posted April 12, 2001 Share Posted April 12, 2001 Tedster, I have talked to Stan quite a lot over the years about how he gets his sound. I can tell you right off the bat that a lot of it is just tuning and his own dynamics. 'Cause if you are just in a room listening to him play live with no mics on him anywhere, he already sounds like that. Anything specific that you would like to know? --Lee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tedster Posted April 13, 2001 Share Posted April 13, 2001 Well, lemme put it this way...I was listening on a car stereo...not a really heavy duty one, but your basic garden variety stock car stereo, and the kick drum was just astounding. I mean, it was moving the car, and I don't have subs or anything. I don't hear that out of a lot of mixes. I lust after that kick sound...(drool)... well the whole mix was great, but the kick really stood out... The usual itshay...mics/pres/compression/eq/...y'know the drill... "Cisco Kid, was a friend of mine" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tedster Posted April 13, 2001 Share Posted April 13, 2001 Oh, and of course, what sort of kick setup he's got...heads, holes or no holes...pillows or whatever's fashionable to stuff a kick with. "Cisco Kid, was a friend of mine" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Flier Posted April 13, 2001 Share Posted April 13, 2001 Ted, Stan has always used Tama drums, and most of the "classic" Petty records were done with an Imperialstar kit with a 24" kick drum. He put Remo coated heads on it, with a hole in the front. As I recall he generally would put a pillow in the kick, at least on stage. He didn't use duct tape or any other kind of dampening. A lot of compression was used on the drums during that period but I don't know the specifics, have to see if Stan remembers. Stan credits Shelley Yakus, the engineer on those records beginning with "Damn the Torpedoes", with helping him in his quest for the ultimate drum sound. The two of them went through a whole lot of different drum, head and tuning configurations. Like I said, I think this has more to do with the sound than anything because I well remember that if you stood within 20 feet of his drums, the kick would blow your head off, even with no mic. I think it has to do with a very athletic 6'4"+ guy beating the crap out of it. http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/biggrin.gif Mick Fleetwood has that kind of kick sound too - another very tall dude. Moves a lot of air! Another thing that I think makes the drums really stand out is that Stan has a tendency not to play the cymbals as loudly as the drums themselves. If you listen to "Refugee" for example, you can barely even hear the hi hat during the A sections of the verses, so the kick and snare really come through. In fact, producer Jimmy Iovine was a little bugged by this and had Stan go out and overdub a shaker part! So this was not because it was mixed that way, it's because he played it that way. One other reason I am inclined to feel that Stan's playing as well as the tuning and the actual sound of the drum kit and room had more to do with the sound than anything: I've heard raw tracks and rough mixes of Heartbreakers records, and frankly they always sounded better (especially the drums) than the final mix! If you have the Petty box set you can hear one example of this: "Stop Draggin' My Heart Around". There's a rough mix of that on there with just Petty singing (not Stevie Nicks) and the drums are about 10 times more in your face than the mix you hear on the radio. In other words people actually went out of their way to LESSEN the impact of the drums. Too frightening for commercial radio, I guess. http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/eek.gif I, of course, always found this grossly unfair. http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/biggrin.gif But anyway. If I find out anything more about the actual recording gear/techniques I'll let ya know. --Lee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tedster Posted April 13, 2001 Share Posted April 13, 2001 Thanks, Lee! (Shiver...) We're getting ready to go into (dramatic pause)...THE STUDIO-IO-IO...and I want to steal some cool stuff to take with me. Don't know what we'll get. Just want it to be fun...I'm nervous 'cause I generally come a bit unglued under the pressure. But...nothing wrong with lusting after a good drum sound. "Cisco Kid, was a friend of mine" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djarrett Posted April 13, 2001 Share Posted April 13, 2001 Hey, Lee: I *really* do believe you were a drummer in a previous life! For a guitar player, ... you are the bomb! Thanks for providing such great info! DJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Flier Posted April 13, 2001 Share Posted April 13, 2001 Awww Tedster - don't be too nervous, it'll be fun! Wish I lived near you so I could be there to produce. http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/smile.gif When is your first session? And is it a nice sounding room? DJ: Thanks for the props... I'm a freak that way. I have a great guitar collection, but I never like to sit around and talk about gear with guitar players. Instead I'm always hanging around with drummers! But that is why drummers love me, because I actually pay so much attention to them and make them sound great in the studio! The way I play guitar also, I depend very much on the drummer and we play off each other a lot. And drummers always tell me I'm very easy and fun to play with because I am clearly listening to them and always know where the groove is. In fact, the only reason I'm not a drummer is because then I wouldn't get to play WITH drummers. And that would suck! http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/smile.gif But I'm not trying to brag, I'm just trying to attract more drummers. http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/biggrin.gif --Lee This message has been edited by Lee Flier on 04-12-2001 at 11:53 PM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djarrett Posted April 13, 2001 Share Posted April 13, 2001 Dare I say it? .... you go girl! DJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tedster Posted April 13, 2001 Share Posted April 13, 2001 Hey, Lee, thanks! We'll be going in toward the end of May. The place is http://www.chapmanrecording.com here in Kansas City. They've been around awhile, but they're in a brand new facility, having moved from their old digs. "Cisco Kid, was a friend of mine" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Flier Posted April 13, 2001 Share Posted April 13, 2001 Looks like a nice place Ted! I'm sure it will be lots of fun, looks very relaxing. http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/smile.gif And I'll try and get as many good tips as I can for ya before the end of May! --Lee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tedster Posted April 13, 2001 Share Posted April 13, 2001 Thanks, and I'll be sure to send you a copy of the tripe, er, CD...hehehe...and I promise I'll try to make it not too incredibly boring... "Cisco Kid, was a friend of mine" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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