Tom Capasso Posted April 17, 2006 Share Posted April 17, 2006 Sorry Dave - I know very few few Neil Peart songs. I know lots of Phil Collins. I am impressed and moved by the music. Drum chops? I have no idea. Interesting cool stuff - it makes the music better. At least until it all turned pop .... Tom www.stoneflyrocks.com Acoustic Color Be practical as well as generous in your ideals. Keep your eyes on the stars and keep your feet on the ground. - Theodore Roosevelt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruuve Posted April 20, 2006 Share Posted April 20, 2006 Heh...I guess I should've stated that my post above is merely my opinion. Phil Collins can lay down a solid beat, no doubt. For me (given my background and what I grew up listening to), he just pales in comparison to someone like Neal Peart. There are hundreds or maybe thousands of drummers who sound like (or can sound like) Phil Collins. The only drummer who sounds like Neal Peart is Neal Peart. As I said, just my opinion however. It's all good, and perfectly acceptable for anyone to like Phil's drumming better than Neal's...variety is the proverbial spice o' life. (And without it, we'd all sound the same!) Cheers, Dave Old bass players never die, they just buy lighter rigs. - Tom Capasso, 11/9/2006 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jabinski Posted April 20, 2006 Author Share Posted April 20, 2006 Dave, take a listen to Brand X, with Phil Collins on drums. He's a virtuoso. I'm back in bass! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruuve Posted April 20, 2006 Share Posted April 20, 2006 K...I'll give it a listen... Dave Old bass players never die, they just buy lighter rigs. - Tom Capasso, 11/9/2006 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
... Posted April 20, 2006 Share Posted April 20, 2006 Originally posted by Dave Sisk: Oh yeah...what an incredible drummer Phil Collins was. I think I'll go learn every single rhythm and fill ever done by Phil Collins. OK, I'm done...next challenge? Sorry for the sarcasm, but IMO Neal Peart and Phil Collins aren't even on the same planet. Dave You obviously never listened to Genesis when Peter Gabriel was their singer. You also have obviously never listened to Brand X (as I see Jabinski mentions below). Phil Collins was an outstanding drummer before he started going into Pop Musicland and (self-admittedly) let his chops slip. Go buy Unorthodox Behavior and Selling England By The Pound and Foxtrot After digesting all that for a few weeks come back and give us your opinion of Phil Collins drumming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruuve Posted April 20, 2006 Share Posted April 20, 2006 Bump...it doesn't take me a few weeks to digest that level of drumming...try a few minutes. OK, I've listened to all of the available samples. I do stand mostly corrected. I see that Phil Collins did indeed have some reasonable chops to deliver...nothing all that complex, but certainly considerably more impressive than the dumbed-down drumming during Genesis/Phil Collins pop era. So, I officially modify my opinion from this point forward. Thanks for keeping me honest guys (and for the suggestions on what to go listen to)... Dave Old bass players never die, they just buy lighter rigs. - Tom Capasso, 11/9/2006 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Red 67 Posted April 20, 2006 Share Posted April 20, 2006 I am just listening to the R30 CD's. I have to say that the lines that he plays are much less note for note then in the past. It is really nice to hear Getty and Alex being more expressive. I still think for all his greatness that Neil hasn't "mastered" the drums. He is tech alright, I am not sure that he has the feelling part "mastered". (Mastered was Neils statement not mine) For my part I hope that I don't ever "master" any insturment. I like the discovery of learning. Big Red's Ride Blog Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred TBP Posted April 21, 2006 Share Posted April 21, 2006 Granted it was many years ago and I'm more of a Genesis fan than a Phil Collins fan, but on two Genesis tours I did see Phil sit down with Chester Thompson on "Watcher Of the Skies" and it didn't seem like he was losing much of his skill. I can't really falt the guy for choosing to take care of his financial future by stepping away from the kit and become a frontman, that's what big money does to almost any artist. As for Rush, I find it hard to judge individual ability when they've seldom traveled far from their comfort zone with each other for over 40 years. I did see Neil attempt to play like Buddy Rich on a tribute video, but then I did see the real BR once and, brother, NP has some homework to do. And I'm reluctant to explore any of Rush's solo albums as I'd expect them to be more Rush outtakes than anything different or progressive. (which I could say about a lot of solo artists and their albums, so they're not unique in that regard) At the risk of sounding hypocritical (the R30 and RIR DVDs are both on my "to-buy" lists), why would a group risk artistic criticism when you can get "the big money" doing the same thing for as long as you can get away with it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimR Posted April 21, 2006 Share Posted April 21, 2006 Nice reminder, I'd forgotten all about Brand X. Wasn't this a band lead by Phil Collins and he just pulled in artists who were around the studios at the time? Anyone know who the bass player was? Feel the groove internally within your own creativity. - fingertalkin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Red 67 Posted April 21, 2006 Share Posted April 21, 2006 Originally posted by Fred the bass player: Granted it was many years ago and I'm more of a Genesis fan than a Phil Collins fan, but on two Genesis tours I did see Phil sit down with Chester Thompson on "Watcher Of the Skies" and it didn't seem like he was losing much of his skill. I can't really falt the guy for choosing to take care of his financial future by stepping away from the kit and become a frontman, that's what big money does to almost any artist. As for Rush, I find it hard to judge individual ability when they've seldom traveled far from their comfort zone with each other for over 40 years. I did see Neil attempt to play like Buddy Rich on a tribute video, but then I did see the real BR once and, brother, NP has some homework to do. And I'm reluctant to explore any of Rush's solo albums as I'd expect them to be more Rush outtakes than anything different or progressive. (which I could say about a lot of solo artists and their albums, so they're not unique in that regard) At the risk of sounding hypocritical (the R30 and RIR DVDs are both on my "to-buy" lists), why would a group risk artistic criticism when you can get "the big money" doing the same thing for as long as you can get away with it? Except that they have evolved during there career. To the point that they pissed fans off when they went to more keyboards and the techy sounds they have explored. I still agree that NP has much more to learn. I find it hard to beleave that he really thinks that he has "mastered" it. And the big money comment struck my funny bone. Big Red's Ride Blog Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jabinski Posted April 21, 2006 Author Share Posted April 21, 2006 Brand X's basssist was a chap called Percy Jones, quite a cat on the fretless, owning as he did a unique voice. I'm back in bass! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jabinski Posted April 22, 2006 Author Share Posted April 22, 2006 Can someone send a link to where Mr Peart makes this claim of percussive mastery? I'm back in bass! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Red 67 Posted April 22, 2006 Share Posted April 22, 2006 Geddy in an interview with a small dog stated that the dryers give a "crisp clean" sound. I don't recall where I read that I will look for a link to the Master claim. Big Red's Ride Blog Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jabinski Posted April 22, 2006 Author Share Posted April 22, 2006 I'm much obliged, he who is slow to anger. I'm back in bass! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruuve Posted April 22, 2006 Share Posted April 22, 2006 I fail to see how anyone could ever make the claim of completely mastering their instrument. No matter how much you know or can do, there's always more to learn. I'm glad...I like learning. Dave Old bass players never die, they just buy lighter rigs. - Tom Capasso, 11/9/2006 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jode Posted April 24, 2006 Share Posted April 24, 2006 Funny 2112-related story: Some friends of mine had a very tight rock cover band, and they played several Rush tunes. On set break one night, some drunk redneck came up to the bass player and slobbered, "Man, that Rush was fuckin' awesome! Can y'all play 'Temples Of Xanax'?" Dave Sisk: As far as Phil Collins' drumming is concerned, I'll bet the words "Selling England By The Pound" mean nothing to you. They should. "I had to have something, and it wasn't there. I couldn't go down the street and buy it, so I built it." Les Paul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jabinski Posted April 24, 2006 Author Share Posted April 24, 2006 Jode, LOL. Nice to know that some Rush fans are illiterate benzodiazapine addicts I'm back in bass! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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