TShakazBlackRoots Posted May 14, 2004 Author Share Posted May 14, 2004 Things may change for the better in future. Yeah right! The most important thing is the music. Many times, I've discovered that all this 'politics' and friction actually isn't as much as it's hyped about in the media, and musicians do get on well (white, black etc..) It Began In Afrika. https://www.facebook.com/BlackRootsUNLIMITED/ https://www.facebook.com/TanquerayAllMusicSafari/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Force Posted May 14, 2004 Share Posted May 14, 2004 Originally posted by TShakazBlackRoots: My only problem is those who borrow or imitate this art almost always, seem to earn a lot more than the originators, for whatever reason.This is certainly not unique to music. I can name many, many areas where the "inventor" or trailblazer didn't capitalize even though they might have tried. Ever heard of Philo Farnsworth? How about David Sarnoff? (hint: TV). Which one invented, and which one capitialized? Also, what did Bill Gates and Microsoft really invent? Need more examples? Steve Force, Durham, North Carolina -------- My Professional Websites Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lowfreq Posted May 16, 2004 Share Posted May 16, 2004 Originally posted by RobT: Originally posted by TShakazBlackRoots: My only problem is those who borrow or imitate this art almost always, seem to earn a lot more than the originators, for whatever reason.Truer words were never spoken. Once a market is established or founded, it's pimped to death. Rob T, exactly!!! TSBR, speaks volumes about the market, doesnt it. Fabrication vs sincere emotion "The Blues is the Roots, and the rest is the Fruits" Willie Dixon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jode Posted May 17, 2004 Share Posted May 17, 2004 So what's the big deal about Elvis? He came along during the most hopelessly Caucasian period in American history. The big performers of the day, pre-King, were Pat Boone and Perry Como. Zzzzzzzz.... Any white people who wanted to hear music with any sort of bounce to it had to tune in the black stations while their parents weren't around, or go to the wrong side of the tracks. Then came Elvis, all raw redneck sensuality and sneering swagger, who sang loud, brash music that sounded like a cross between 'race records' and songs about sex, directly into the ears of White America's daughters, proceeding to scare the living hell out of all the adults, and becoming the idol of the kids. To understand Elvis, you must understand the straitjacketed culture of 50s America. You must understand a world before MTV, before Jerry Springer, nearly before TV itself. Most of us live in a world where there has never not been Elvis. Imagine living in a world where the standard bearer for white male performers is Perry Como, and along comes Elvis. He'd have blown your mind. I guess now you'll tell me you don't know who Perry Como is. Go find out, hold him up against Elvis, and then reconsider the question. "I had to have something, and it wasn't there. I couldn't go down the street and buy it, so I built it." Les Paul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TShakazBlackRoots Posted May 17, 2004 Author Share Posted May 17, 2004 I've heard of Perry Como. A legend like Sinatra, right? I stand to be corrected. I was watching Justin Timberlake's 'Back to Memphis' show on TV. He's extremely talented, has mastered the 'black arts' so to speak. He's a huge phenomenon in this day and age. This must have been the same for Elvis at the time. Justin is today's Elvis, just alot more talented I think. It Began In Afrika. https://www.facebook.com/BlackRootsUNLIMITED/ https://www.facebook.com/TanquerayAllMusicSafari/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeremy c Posted May 17, 2004 Share Posted May 17, 2004 You like Justin Timberlake? You're smoking too much ganja, TShakazBlackRoots! Free download of my cd!. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TShakazBlackRoots Posted May 17, 2004 Author Share Posted May 17, 2004 You're smoking too much ganja, TShakazBlackRoots![/ QUOTE] Jeremy C, I wish, I wish! No ganja here. Make that assertion when I go back home in a month's time. I'll then fully agree with you (to a point). I think Pharell Williams of the Neptunes produces some good stuff for Justin. Don't you think The Neptunes are putting The Funk back into the proceedings? It Began In Afrika. https://www.facebook.com/BlackRootsUNLIMITED/ https://www.facebook.com/TanquerayAllMusicSafari/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scoot Posted May 17, 2004 Share Posted May 17, 2004 Originally posted by TShakazBlackRoots: Don't you think The Neptunes are putting The Funk back into the proceedings? Nothing Prince didn't do 20 years ago. And compare Justin w/ early 80's performances of Michael Jackson. You'll see more than a slight influence. Ah, nice marmot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobT Posted May 17, 2004 Share Posted May 17, 2004 Originally posted by Scoot: Originally posted by TShakazBlackRoots: Don't you think The Neptunes are putting The Funk back into the proceedings? Nothing Prince didn't do 20 years ago. And compare Justin w/ early 80's performances of Michael Jackson. You'll see more than a slight influence. Ain't that the truth! RobT Famous Musical Quotes: "I would rather play Chiquita Banana and have my swimming pool than play Bach and starve" - Xavier Cugat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbroni Posted May 17, 2004 Share Posted May 17, 2004 Gosh all this fuss about a fat hillbilly who died on the crapper... I love Elvis. He had some kick-ass bands, he had some great songwriters. My first dance with my wife at our wedding was an Elvis song. HaHaHaHaHaHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Hillarious!! Together all sing their different songs in union - the Uni-verse. My Current Project Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
getz out Posted May 18, 2004 Share Posted May 18, 2004 Originally posted by TShakazBlackRoots: I've heard of Perry Como. A legend like Sinatra, right? I stand to be corrected. Corrected. Sinatra (from lovely Hoboken, NJ, which is also the home of the invention of baseball) had a great voice and a greater ear for talent. He also knew how to swing. Como is rather stiff. There's no swing in "How Much for that Doggy in the Window." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TShakazBlackRoots Posted May 18, 2004 Author Share Posted May 18, 2004 Thanx for the info Getz. I wasn't born yet when these guys 'run tings'. Was Sinatra more of a singer than an actor, or the other way round? It Began In Afrika. https://www.facebook.com/BlackRootsUNLIMITED/ https://www.facebook.com/TanquerayAllMusicSafari/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henryrobinett Posted May 18, 2004 Share Posted May 18, 2004 Sinatra definitely was a singer. He had to use persuasive tactics to break in to Hollywood. But he made his mark initially as a singer and to many he will always be mainly that. As a singer he was a phenomenon like Elvis and The Beatles with young girls screaming and swooning. He was also a jazz singer and had a great sense of time. Miles Davis said he admired Frank Sinatra's phrasing; his sense of time placement of the melody - behind the beat. He said the same thing later about Willie Nelson. Sinatra was admired universally, regardless of race. Perry Como on the other hand was pretty bland. Unfair to compare the two. No comparison. Sinatra was hip. Perry Como was anything but. All the best, Henry Robinett Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jode Posted May 18, 2004 Share Posted May 18, 2004 Sinatra was the coolest of the cool, no doubt about it, in addition to being one of the greatest vocalists around. He was also one hell of an actor; check out The Man With The Golden Arm (Oscar nomination) or The Manchurian Candidate. "I had to have something, and it wasn't there. I couldn't go down the street and buy it, so I built it." Les Paul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
getz out Posted May 18, 2004 Share Posted May 18, 2004 Originally posted by henryrobinett: Sinatra was admired universally, regardless of race.Good point... including his own race. It wasn't hip to be of Italian descent back in his heyday, don't forget. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbroni Posted May 18, 2004 Share Posted May 18, 2004 Miles Davis said he admired Frank Sinatra's phrasing; his sense of time placement of the melody - behind the beat. He said the same thing later about Willie Nelson. OT Thanks for the bit Henry, I just downloaded a tune from Miles called Willie Nelson-Take 4. Its from the complete Jack Johnson sessions. I didn't know Miles was a fan of Willie. So am I. I just love Teatro - He's playing better than ever. Can't wait to see him at Bonnaroo this year. Too bad Miles isn't around cause he'd probably be there, what an open mind. OK you guys finish unburying Elvis. Together all sing their different songs in union - the Uni-verse. My Current Project Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henryrobinett Posted May 18, 2004 Share Posted May 18, 2004 Oh yeah. Miles loved Wille Nelson and they were good friends apparently. Miles said that he, Sinatra and Willie Nelson all had the same way of phrasing a melody. All the best, Henry Robinett Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
getz out Posted May 18, 2004 Share Posted May 18, 2004 Originally posted by TShakazBlackRoots: Thanx for the info Getz. I wasn't born yet when these guys 'run tings'. That's not an excuse! You're older than I am I believe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TShakazBlackRoots Posted May 19, 2004 Author Share Posted May 19, 2004 That's not an excuse! You're older than I am I believe. An excuse? No Getz. No excuses. As for the age thing, let's not go there. I am ageless. Sinatra's celebrity didn't reach us in Africa. That's why sometimes when you hear that 'so and so is the biggest artist in the world', it usually means in America, Europe and Japan! Not really global. It Began In Afrika. https://www.facebook.com/BlackRootsUNLIMITED/ https://www.facebook.com/TanquerayAllMusicSafari/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
... Posted May 19, 2004 Share Posted May 19, 2004 Originally posted by henryrobinett: Sinatra definitely was a singer. He had to use persuasive tactics to break in to Hollywood. But he made his mark initially as a singer and to many he will always be mainly that. As a singer he was a phenomenon like Elvis and The Beatles with young girls screaming and swooning. He was also a jazz singer and had a great sense of time. Miles Davis said he admired Frank Sinatra's phrasing; his sense of time placement of the melody - behind the beat. He said the same thing later about Willie Nelson. Sinatra was admired universally, regardless of race. Perry Como on the other hand was pretty bland. Unfair to compare the two. No comparison. Sinatra was hip. Perry Como was anything but.The Chairman friggin ruled. His boxed set is a must have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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