bill5 Posted January 18, 2023 Share Posted January 18, 2023 I'm window shopping and would be interested in any feedback. Here's what I've found so far. My initial thought is the first one as an inexpensive option that even if not optimal I can get some use out of, then upgrade to an 88-yet (probably semi-weighted) later. My requirements are a good basic set of onboard controls (Record, Stop, Play/Pause, Rewind, FF), pitch and mod controls of course, a sustain pedal jack, full-sized keys, and most of the rest (knobs and faders, pads) are nice to haves but not wrapped up in it too much. Of course I'd like a good as possible keybed, but especially if I go for a 61-key synth action model initially, shouldn't be too big of a deal. I won't be playing Liszt on it. Price Make Model Keys 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mighty Motif Max Posted January 18, 2023 Share Posted January 18, 2023 Don't bother with any of the Nektar Impact LX variations - I've never played a flimsier-feeling keybed, and it felt like I had no dynamic control at all. I do like Novation's Launchkey MK3 action - I have the little 37 version, but it is superior to the Arturia Keylab Essential and M-Audio Oxygen/Pro models in feel (less springy, smoother, feels a bit higher-quality). I was just trying out some of these keybeds yesterday at Guitar Center, so that was good timing for this thread. Quote Yamaha: Motif XF8, MODX7, YS200, CVP-305, CLP-130, YPG-235, PSR-295, PSS-470 | Roland: Fantom 7, JV-1000 Kurzweil: PC3-76| Hammond: SK Pro 73 | Korg: Triton LE 76, N1R, X5DR | Emu: Proteus/1 | Casio: CT-370 | Novation: Launchkey 37 MK3 | Technics: WSA1R Former: Emu Proformance Plus & Mo'Phatt, Korg Krome 61, Roland Fantom XR & JV-1010, Yamaha MX61, Behringer CAT, Kurzweil PC4 (88) Assorted electric & acoustic guitars and electric basses | Roland TD-17 KVX | Alesis SamplePad Pro | Assorted organs, accordions, other instruments Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bill5 Posted January 18, 2023 Author Share Posted January 18, 2023 Great, thanks for that! Update as I search, apparently the M Audio keyboards don't have a rewind function onboard - how odd - so they're out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnotherScott Posted January 18, 2023 Share Posted January 18, 2023 I've never played one, but I've read good things about the action of the Alesis VI61, which meets your specs, and also has a couple of things I look for that many low-cost controllers don't have... 5-pin MIDI Out, and aftertouch. Quote Maybe this is the best place for a shameless plug! Our now not-so-new new video at https://youtu.be/3ZRC3b4p4EI is a 40 minute adaptation of T. S. Eliot's "Prufrock" - check it out! And hopefully I'll have something new here this year. ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldwin Funster Posted January 18, 2023 Share Posted January 18, 2023 48 minutes ago, AnotherScott said: I've never played one, but I've read good things about the action of the Alesis VI61, which meets your specs, and also has a couple of things I look for that many low-cost controllers don't have... 5-pin MIDI Out, and aftertouch. I have owned the Vi49. The keys are stiff and springy. That could be good if you like fast trills and drills but kinda annoying otherwise. But the main negative is the velocity. It's very erratic and uneven unless you just use b3x . And there seems to be weirdness with the midi. Sometimes it will drop notes. The maudio has sorta decent keys but I found that some software responded sluggishly to the pitchwheel. Nektar impact isn't terrible. Novation impulse is more not terrible than the nektar. Arturia essential has a cheap plastic feel to the action but gets a little more satisfying when a sound is hitched up to it, then the response is pretty fast feeling. And I think because it's the newest of the bunch the midi is faster and more reliable. I haven't tried it but I bet the Arturia Keylab 61 mk2 would be one of the best but the price is up a tier from the others. 2 Quote FunMachine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mighty Motif Max Posted January 18, 2023 Share Posted January 18, 2023 I definitely prefer the feel of the Novation Launchkey over the older Impulse series - not as springy. It's really a totally different feel they were going for I think though. For the record I am not fond of the Impact keybed...it's just odd IMO. Bouncy would be my description. Quote Yamaha: Motif XF8, MODX7, YS200, CVP-305, CLP-130, YPG-235, PSR-295, PSS-470 | Roland: Fantom 7, JV-1000 Kurzweil: PC3-76| Hammond: SK Pro 73 | Korg: Triton LE 76, N1R, X5DR | Emu: Proteus/1 | Casio: CT-370 | Novation: Launchkey 37 MK3 | Technics: WSA1R Former: Emu Proformance Plus & Mo'Phatt, Korg Krome 61, Roland Fantom XR & JV-1010, Yamaha MX61, Behringer CAT, Kurzweil PC4 (88) Assorted electric & acoustic guitars and electric basses | Roland TD-17 KVX | Alesis SamplePad Pro | Assorted organs, accordions, other instruments Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delaware Dave Posted January 18, 2023 Share Posted January 18, 2023 A couple of years ago I was looking for a lightweight controller. My requirements were: 61 keys 9 sliders sustain pedal expression pedal pad/buttons 5 pin midi out/in USB MIDI pitch/mod wheels decent SW keybed ability to edit patches in real time easy transpose functionality (both globally and per zone) lightweight not alot of $'s The three that I thought met all the requirements were initially M-Audio, Novation Impulse, Roland A800 Pro. If I recall correctly the Roland turned out not to have the transpose functionality that I was looking for, the Novation Impulse had the shxttiest keybed I've ever felt (felt like a kid's toy) and most M-Audio keyboards lacked one of the requirements (either no 5 pin midi, or no expression pedal, no sustain, no 9 sliders, etc.). Keyboard Partners at the time was recommending the M-Audio Code 61 (an older model) as the 'perfect' controller for the HX3 midi module. So low and behold I found one in perfect condition and extremely inexpensive. I rolled the dice and bought one and it has turned out to be exactly what I hoped. It was the only model that I found that met all of my requirements. Sometimes it makes sense to look at older models as newer models often drop features in order to keep the new offering's price down. Quote 57 Hammond B3; 69 Hammond L100P; 68 Leslie 122; Kurzweil Forte7 & PC3; M-Audio Code 61; Voce V5+; Neo Vent; EV ELX112P; GSI Gemini & Burn Delaware Dave Exit93band Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnotherScott Posted January 18, 2023 Share Posted January 18, 2023 10 hours ago, Jr. Deluxe said: I have owned the Vi49. The keys are stiff and springy. That could be good if you like fast trills and drills but kinda annoying otherwise. But the main negative is the velocity. It's very erratic and uneven unless you just use b3x . And there seems to be weirdness with the midi. Sometimes it will drop notes. Thanks for that report. It's s shame, since it's a nice feature set for the price, and I like the idea of having all those buttons for live patch selection. So many controllers today seem so oriented for DAW use, that a live likely necessity like patch change is given short shrift. Quote Maybe this is the best place for a shameless plug! Our now not-so-new new video at https://youtu.be/3ZRC3b4p4EI is a 40 minute adaptation of T. S. Eliot's "Prufrock" - check it out! And hopefully I'll have something new here this year. ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bill5 Posted January 19, 2023 Author Share Posted January 19, 2023 Thanks for the replies so far. Again I'm in no hurry....unfortunately when I went to Guitar Center they didn't have ANY controllers out to try, it was all workstations and digital pianos. Didn't get to Sam Ash to see if they had any. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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