gd1 Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 I"m looking for a good lightweight controller to take to jam sessions to use with Galileo 2. We have a piano player that comes out hence the desire for an controller for organ use mainly. I"ve been told about M Audio Axiom Pro 61 any other waterfall controllers that you have used and would recommend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Rivers Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 What's a waterfall controller? Or, in the context of a keyboard controller, what's a "waterfall?" Quote For a good time call http://mikeriversaudio.wordpress.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DevonB Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 There are three different types of keys for a synthesizer; diving board, waterfall and lipped. It's making reference to the shape of the key. Waterfall is smooth on the end and rolls over like a counter top. Diving board looks just like it sounds. Lipped has a lip on the end that extends past the end of the key. I personally don't have a preference. It just has to feel 'right'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Rivers Posted October 26, 2019 Share Posted October 26, 2019 Thanks. I've never heard those designations or descriptions of the physical keys, but what do I know? I'm a guitar player. I took inventory of the two keyboards around here and I think I have one lipped and one diving board. That is, if my guess of a lipped key is one like a real piano key, where the top surface is an ivory veneer that hangs over the outboard edge of the key a bit? A diving board is just like a square block? And a waterfall is like a diving board with a rounded corner on the top edge? Quote For a good time call http://mikeriversaudio.wordpress.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gd1 Posted October 26, 2019 Author Share Posted October 26, 2019 Rounded along front and side top edges, much better for playing organ. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DevonB Posted October 26, 2019 Share Posted October 26, 2019 Like this - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Rivers Posted October 27, 2019 Share Posted October 27, 2019 Oh, then I don't have any lipped keys, I have natural key profiles. Probably because the keyboard I was looking at is old enough so that lipped keys hadn't been invented yet, unless organs are always like that. Quote For a good time call http://mikeriversaudio.wordpress.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Mike Metlay Posted November 7, 2019 Share Posted November 7, 2019 Waterfall actions aren't as common as they used to be... some people even mistake lipped keys for waterfall. M-Audio is one of the few companies that even does lipped keys nowadays, as diving boards are so much cheaper to make. If your organist would be okay with non-sharp lipped keys, there are a few options that might work for you. Nearly all keyboards made by Nektar and StudioLogic have lipped keys. The Novation Impulse series does too, and the Alesis VI series and M-Audio CODE series. Unfortunately, actual waterfall keys are a lot more rare. Some possibilities: This double manual monstrosity from GSi The StudioLogic Numa Compact 2x , which is not a controller primarily but might have waterfall keys (the Compact 2 is lightly lipped but the 2x is designed for organ use and might be waterfall). I hope this helps. mike Quote Dr. Mike Metlay (PhD in nuclear physics, golly gosh) Musician, Author, Editor, Educator, Impresario, Online Radio Guy, Cut-Rate Polymath, and Kindly Pedant Editor-in-Chief, Bjooks ~ Author of SYNTH GEMS 1 clicky!: more about me ~ my radio station (and my fam) ~ my local tribe ~ my day job ~ my book ~ my music Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DevonB Posted November 7, 2019 Share Posted November 7, 2019 Nord Stage 3 has waterfall keys too. Devon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davinwv Posted November 11, 2019 Share Posted November 11, 2019 I use the Studiologic Numa Organ 2 as a waterfall MIDI controller. I have owned it for years and probably have only used the internal organ sound engine once or twice. One little quirk is that only a limited number of its controls output MIDI CC data over USB, but just about all of the controls output MIDI CC data over the MIDI OUT DIN. I have used it with VB3, AcousticSamples B5, and now IK Multimedia's B-3X. It works and feels great, and has all of the controls you'll ever need in a single manual organ controller! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gd1 Posted November 13, 2019 Author Share Posted November 13, 2019 Thanks I will try to find the Nord and the Studiologica units. There was a Numa Organ 2 for sale ($650 cdn) last month but CL listing expired before I responded. $650 just seemed to good to be true and raised some obvious concerns. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Mike Metlay Posted November 24, 2019 Share Posted November 24, 2019 Actually $650CDN isn't out of line for a Numa Organ 2, if it's been well used. I would want to play it before buying at that price, for sure. Quote Dr. Mike Metlay (PhD in nuclear physics, golly gosh) Musician, Author, Editor, Educator, Impresario, Online Radio Guy, Cut-Rate Polymath, and Kindly Pedant Editor-in-Chief, Bjooks ~ Author of SYNTH GEMS 1 clicky!: more about me ~ my radio station (and my fam) ~ my local tribe ~ my day job ~ my book ~ my music Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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